Boxing is DEAD!!! - True or False?

Yeah, the American media has been laying into Pacquiao 50x more than they ever have before. He has lost respect in the eyes of a huge chunk of those watching and laughing at his embarrassing post-fight behavior. dude get your head out of your arse, they both pac and the pointmaster been the butt of every joke since may 2nd.

boxing is not dead, never will be as people who appreciate the sport, the science, the brawls, and understand how hard it is to be good at it are around... so called boxing fans are whats dead they trash any fighter thats not their favorite and a fighters personal life is talked about more than skil, they trash free boxing on tv, they trash PPVs, they complain about everything dealing with boxing outside of their fav fighter. we are just living in a generation full of idiots... the good side of it is that they or anything like them will never last forever

if espn gave boxing the time of day it deserved it would be huge but the way boxing is going its going to keep growing and growing and growing its like a cult once your hooked u are not going anywhere. you may see a bad decision and say im leaving but u aint leaving lol

Boxing is like the novel. It's not dead, but it's not what it was 30+ years ago. It's still happening, still full of good stuff though. Floyd's retirement will leave a void -- a Floyd void. -- We need a great heavyweight in the Americas -- Need real weight classes -- And real belts -- Fight day weigh-ins

the false hope people gave manny almost killed it but no boxing is as strong as ever period

That is true, but those guys weren't that good to begin with. I said great fighters don't need a warmup. I have never considered Alvarez a great fighter. I guess you are saying that Alvarez is not a great fighter either. Consider a fighter great at the young age of 24? LOL

Boxing history is also littered with fools like Broner/Gamboa etc who jumped several weight classes to fight not even the top guys at that weight & had their azzes handed to them. That is true, but those guys weren't that good to begin with. I said great fighters don't need a warmup. I have never considered Alvarez a great fighter. I guess you are saying that Alvarez is not a great fighter either.

Floyd faced Castillo (the top guy) in his first two fights at 135. Floyd faced ODLH (the top guy) in his first fight at 154. Michalel Spinks fought Larry Holmes (the top guy) in his first two fights at heavyweight and Spinks was moving up from 175. History is chock full of examples like this. A great fighter doesn't need a warmup fight/stiff to bolster his confidence. If Alvarez and Oscar he truly believes that Alvarez is is as good as they claim, Alvarez should be able to beat both Cotto and GGG at 160, whether it is his first fight or his 10th. Boxing history is also littered with fools like Broner/Gamboa etc who jumped several weight classes to fight not even the top guys at that weight & had their azzes handed to them.

It would be Broner level delusional stupid of Canelo/ODLH to face GGG for his first fight at 160. Completely move up 6lbs to the next weight class & challenge the top guy there? Really?The sport benefits when the fighters & fans benefit, May 9 both parties benefited. The sport would've suffered had there been no decent fights the week after MayPac, we would have to deal with topics like boxing is dead/MMA>boxing. NSB would've been littered with such topics to no end. You very well know the answer to which fight i would've preferred for Canelo last week vs this June. Canelo Cotto both wish the best deal for themselves, didn't happen, accept that, both guys moved on & there's no point obsessing over that. Canelo did well, all eyes on Cotto now. When the best match ups can't get made like in this case, I'd gladly take guys like Kirkland with a punchers chance over watching the top guys face Salka/Eric Molina/salesmen in absolute blowout mismatches. Floyd faced Castillo (the top guy) in his first two fights at 135. Floyd faced ODLH (the top guy) in his first fight at 154. Michalel Spinks fought Larry Holmes (the top guy) in his first two fights at heavyweight and Spinks was moving up from 175. History is chock full of examples like this. A great fighter doesn't need a warmup fight/stiff to bolster his confidence. If Alvarez and Oscar he truly believes that Alvarez is is as good as they claim, Alvarez should be able to beat both Cotto and GGG at 160, whether it is his first fight or his 10th.

I only suggest GGG if Floyd fights Cotto in September. Otherwise, I assume it will be Cotto or clottey for Canelo next. We are not discussing props, we are discussing what the sport would benefit from more. I am in no way taking anything away from Canelo's win, just pointing out how non competitive matches like that hurt the sport. You wait because instead of a blowout mismatch we get a more competitive fight, which is what you said you wanted. Cotto was trying to make the best deal for himself, same as Canelo. Canelo can't really complain about that. Would you rather have had Kirkland/Canelo last week or cotto/canelo in June? It would be Broner level delusional stupid of Canelo/ODLH to face GGG for his first fight at 160. Completely move up 6lbs to the next weight class & challenge the top guy there? Really? The sport benefits when the fighters & fans benefit, May 9 both parties benefited. The sport would've suffered had there been no decent fights the week after MayPac, we would have to deal with topics like boxing is dead/MMA>boxing. NSB would've been littered with such topics to no end. You very well know the answer to which fight i would've preferred for Canelo last week vs this June. Canelo Cotto both wish the best deal for themselves, didn't happen, accept that, both guys moved on & there's no point obsessing over that. Canelo did well, all eyes on Cotto now. When the best match ups can't get made like in this case, I'd gladly take guys like Kirkland with a punchers chance over watching the top guys face Salka/Eric Molina/salesmen in absolute blowout mismatches.

Both Manny and Floyd are getting flack. The fight was bad for boxing. A lot of casual fans who bought the fight are complaining about how boring the supposedly "best fighter of this era" is. These individuals you are talking about said the same thing about the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight and fight Mayweather/Alvarez fight. Yet, they still paid $100 to watch the fight. These same casual fans will pay it again to see a rematch because everyone wants to be part of a major event, regardless of whether they like it or know anything about it. Half the people who watch the Oscars on television have never seen one of the movies that are being nominated for awards.

Woah, blame it on the seats/tickets now. Oscar did well with the pricing for fans sake. It's good to have fights away from expensive casinos & make it accessible to the real boxing fans. KO'ing Kirkland & beating the other guys Canelo did after the Floyd loss is definitely the most any of Floyd's opponents has done since their loss to Floyd. Canelo looked good against Kirkland like he should've, he had no other choice in opponent+he wouldn't be forgiven by fans especially on NSB had he not looked impressive. It's because of that why you & everyone else wants to see him up against GGG.. Otherwise no one would give a fcuk about Canelo. The fans loved it, 1.18 million people watched the underwhelming MayPac replay on HBO & actually stayed for Canelo Kirkland, Canelo added another million viewers to his fight on HBO after that boring fight of the century, that's really impressive. I don't see anyone from the media not giving Canelo props for Kirkland. I actually don't get your point about waiting. Canelo ODLH waited 5 times & after the 5th deadline passed & Cotto team declined, why wait? If negotiations for a fight like MayPac or any other fight could've restarted right after the first failed negotiations by waiting..we would've got the MayPac fight several years ago. It's not that simple, nor does it work like that. Cotto refused first, Canelo announces Kirkland fight & now Cotto's people are scouting Canelo at his fight running around signing preliminary fight deals with ODLH/Canelo & look bad/desperate? Why not sign for Canelo fight in the first place? To say that it was more important for Canelo/ODLH to avoid Cotto is absolutely ridiculous. I only suggest GGG if Floyd fights Cotto in September. Otherwise, I assume it will be Cotto or clottey for Canelo next. We are not discussing props, we are discussing what the sport would benefit from more. I am in no way taking anything away from Canelo's win, just pointing out how non competitive matches like that hurt the sport. You wait because instead of a blowout mismatch we get a more competitive fight, which is what you said you wanted. Cotto was trying to make the best deal for himself, same as Canelo. Canelo can't really complain about that. Would you rather have had Kirkland/Canelo last week or cotto/canelo in June?

It died May 2nd & rose up again on May 9. Jesus is a ginger. Canelolujah!

No he hasn't. Just because fans showed up for cheap seats in Texas doesn't mean he has made up for the putrid Floyd performance with all fans. Did Koing Kirkland do that for you? They could've waited, they didn't choose to. You get my point and are trying to just move past it. It was more important for Canelo, GBP and HBO to have Canelo beat a name opponent with no chance to win rather than make a great fight 1 month later on the road in MSG. for most boxing fans, a title win in another guys home arena, especially MSG the mecca of boxing, is worth far more than an easy KO in minute maid park. It would be funny if Floyd fought cotto next. That would give us Canelo v Clottey, unless of course he took the tougher, better opponent in GGG. Woah, blame it on the seats/tickets now. Oscar did well with the pricing for fans sake. It's good to have fights away from expensive casinos & make it accessible to the real boxing fans. KO'ing Kirkland & beating the other guys Canelo did after the Floyd loss is definitely the most any of Floyd's opponents has done since their loss to Floyd. Canelo looked good against Kirkland like he should've, he had no other choice in opponent+he wouldn't be forgiven by fans especially on NSB had he not looked impressive. It's because of that why you & everyone else wants to see him up against GGG.. Otherwise no one would give a fcuk about Canelo. The fans loved it, 1.18 million people watched the underwhelming MayPac replay on HBO & actually stayed for Canelo Kirkland, Canelo added another million viewers to his fight on HBO after that boring fight of the century, that's really impressive. I don't see anyone from the media not giving Canelo props for Kirkland. I actually don't get your point about waiting. Canelo ODLH waited 5 times & after the 5th deadline passed & Cotto team declined, why wait? If negotiations for a fight like MayPac or any other fight could've restarted right after the first failed negotiations by waiting..we would've got the MayPac fight several years ago. It's not that simple, nor does it work like that. Cotto refused first, Canelo announces Kirkland fight & now Cotto's people are scouting Canelo at his fight running around signing preliminary fight deals with ODLH/Canelo & look bad/desperate? Why not sign for Canelo fight in the first place? To say that it was more important for Canelo/ODLH to avoid Cotto is absolutely ridiculous.

I agree, no need for a rematch. Cotto team passed on the fight after the 5th deadline, Canelo had to move on & not stay inactive. Cotto-Canelo already has a preliminary agreement set to face each other before the end of the year (as per BoxingScene). Canelo has already restored a lot of his lost luster at Minute Maid park, 31,000+ in audience is phenomenal. Give it time, the fight you've been waiting for so eagerly will happen. No he hasn't. Just because fans showed up for cheap seats in Texas doesn't mean he has made up for the putrid Floyd performance with all fans. Did Koing Kirkland do that for you? They could've waited, they didn't choose to. You get my point and are trying to just move past it. It was more important for Canelo, GBP and HBO to have Canelo beat a name opponent with no chance to win rather than make a great fight 1 month later on the road in MSG. for most boxing fans, a title win in another guys home arena, especially MSG the mecca of boxing, is worth far more than an easy KO in minute maid park. It would be funny if Floyd fought cotto next. That would give us Canelo v Clottey, unless of course he took the tougher, better opponent in GGG.

Boxing is immortal.

no rematch needed but I think it will happen. No it wasn't IMO. The good fight was Cotto-in June in MSG. A fight that if he wins, he restores the luster he lost in the Floyd performance. This win didn't do that IMO because Kirkland had no real chance to win. I didn't say or imply he was avoiding him. I stated specifically his unwillingness to face Cotto in NYC and why he IMO he didn't want to. There is no guarantee Cotto is next. Does waiting a month constitute inactivity? IMO, canelo v cotto on HBO in June would have been much better for fans and the sport. I agree, no need for a rematch. Cotto team passed on the fight after the 5th deadline, Canelo had to move on & not stay inactive. Cotto-Canelo already has a preliminary agreement set to face each other before the end of the year (as per BoxingScene). Canelo has already restored a lot of his lost luster at Minute Maid park, 31,000+ in audience is phenomenal. Give it time, the fight you've been waiting for so eagerly will happen.

The sport benefits when 2 of its best give their all in a fight to see who is the better man. I did, I only fault Canelo for not making the Cotto fight in June in MSG. Lee and Gaele are not on SHo. Canelo is making 154 lbers fight above that rather than him fighting 160lbers at 160. He's done that a lot and I think some fans have grown tired of it. Canelo isn't Manny or Floyd. Dude, Kirkland had no chance to win. His name, record and past achievements do not change that fact. Please do not act like this was a competitive fight because you found a website that ranks Kirkland 14th. GBP didn't make the Canelo/ Kirkland fight because he was the only one out there-they did it to avoid fighting Cotto in NYC because of the optics of Canelo not being seen as "the star". If you know that, why do you support mayweather? you know he doesnt give it his all.... never have and never will.... I always see floyd fans talking about other fights and getting excited over knockouts, but when it comes to mayweather they go back to the "its boxing doe". So do you wanna see whos the better man or whos the better "boxer"?? Everytime floyd fights his fans make knockout predictions like get real if floyd cant sucker punch he cant get a knockoout. Floyd robs the fans everytime he fights, but ppl still pay to see him lose. In a 6 fight contract he fights robert guerrero and marcos maidana twice.... clearly TBE!!!

We will see in our next PPV sales.... Floyd vs Pac might have ****ed the upcoming PPVs. almost 5+ million people bought 100 PPV to watch a horrible undercard with the worst active champion LSC and the mian event was a hug and run, i mean "boxing"...... I didnt know if i was watching MMA or boxing, Floyd got some wrestling skills.

The 2 best of our generation fought & Mayweather emerged the clear winner which no one questions (Pac's opinion doesn't matter). Do you actually want to see a rematch here? I never said that Kirkland was a competitive fight, I said it was the best available choice thanks to the networks + a good fight to happen after what happened May2. Like I said, the fight will happen this year & it will be bigger this time around. Canelo isn't avoiding Cotto, it's ridiculous to say that. Real negotiations took place but the fight couldn't happen. These guys people are scouting each other, with Cotto's people being at the Minute Maid park for CaneloKirkland. A few more months of waiting wont hurt any one of us. Canelo did the right thing of not waiting & facing Kirkland, none of these guys are getting any younger to stay inactive. no rematch needed but I think it will happen. No it wasn't IMO. The good fight was Cotto-in June in MSG. A fight that if he wins, he restores the luster he lost in the Floyd performance. This win didn't do that IMO because Kirkland had no real chance to win. I didn't say or imply he was avoiding him. I stated specifically his unwillingness to face Cotto in NYC and why he IMO he didn't want to. There is no guarantee Cotto is next. Does waiting a month constitute inactivity? IMO, canelo v cotto on HBO in June would have been much better for fans and the sport.