Fixing Boxing Scoring Once and For All

You realize every fukin fight would get appealed right? Every fight (except ko's) would be decided 24 hours after it takes place. Kind of takes the luster away from a live sporting event.

You should do a slow motion replay in your head when you think of making a post like this and when you are done with that if you still feel like you should make the post... still don't do it

In light of the recent superdud(superfight) we had earlier courtesy of shouldergate (whether it's true or not, it's already frigging all over the internet), and the proliferation of rumors that pacquiao had indeed won in slow-mo replays because the compubox boys didn't do a good job at it and judges were probably too old to see the super fast clean punching connects. I think it's high-time to upgrade our boxing scoring tradition. I mean, every sport had already upgraded their system, i.e. --In NBA basketball, they have already welcomed replay system and it tremendously helped rescue those referee decisions that might otherwise turn into big controversy after the game. What I'm proposing is, unlike in NBA where replay system is sometimes been criticized because it slows the game down and steal some of those precious momentum that the other team have built upon; --our own replay system in boxing would be a lot better since it should only be done only when there's a formal complaint on the other side of the team; and, only when the fight is over and done with, so no interruptions on the actual fight whatsoever. It goes like this: If the complaining team submitted a formal request on boxing commission within an allowable period after the fight. Then, the Commission of Boxing will act as a Supreme Court of some sort and will deligate or have a ready panel of trusted representatives assembled that will review the fight in a slow-motion replay punch by punch manner. The result will be released as soon as possible, most preferrably the day after the fight night. The decision of the Commission will be final, no appeal is ever allowed again. IMO, the advantages of allowing slow-motion replay as part of the decision process greatly outweight the disadvantages if theres any, and I will attempt to list some of it on top of my head: 1. Peace of mind: Obviously will eliminate 99.9 percent of the doubters, mockers, whinners and every sort of lunacy and controversy that has plagued boxing throughout the years. Those .1 percent, we can't do anything about so let them be, because after all, these are the guys that still believes that Elvis and Kennedy still lives and you can't ever convince them otherwise. 2. It will greatly encourage both fighters to practice the real modern day sweet science which is: "hit and not get hit and be in position to hit again." this is important, because the modern day sweet science discourages those hit and runners/huggers which are the remnants of old traditional sweet science practitioners which is: "hit and not get hit only", which have evidently contributed greatly in hurting the business of boxing as a whole due to the casual fans perception of that style as boring and yet still winning. Casual fans don't understand this so called traditional sweet science which the purists is so fond of, I'm not saying it's time to phase it out, but, instead, it's time to upgrade it, make it better and make it closely appealing to what the casual fans envisioned it to be. It is very important, because casual fans is the engine of the sport, they dictate the direction of where the business or boxing is headed. You give them what they want, and you will reap what you sow. 3. Obviously, fighters will be forced to fight very clean and avoid foul plays knowing that their performance will be re-evaluated later on. 4. Renewed and reinvigorated interest by the former, present and new boxing fans, in knowing that boxing, at last, has gain it's credibility again. 5. And I feel there's many many more advantages to it. feel free to add some. Now, having said this, let our superdud be the final example of this antiquated traditional scoring method, and let's move on to the better future. This post is the biggest crock of s...t written about this fight yet ! No fan of #48 has ever complained about Compubox scoring one of #48's fight's until now. You fans of #48 can go on and on with this nonsense about how Pacquaio won. It still won't make it true, officially or unofficially.

This doesn't go far enough. First of all, no more live judging. EVERY fight needs to be reviewed in SUPER SLOW MOTION, frame by frame ... including 4-round club fights. Commissions will require all dusty fight clubs in the low minors to install high-end, high-res HD cameras from at least six angles, including overhead. At the conclusion of every card, all digital recordings will be sent to a super-secret location where a panel of experts will review each frame-by-frame -- no less than a dozen experts will look at each and every microsecond of every round of every fight from each camera angle, and each reviewer will view the material no less than a dozen times. At the end, they will render a decision, which will be announced no less than 9 months after the bout has taken place ... and only then, if their verdict stands up to several rounds of appeals over the next 18 months, will the result be official.

It's worth pointing out that Floyd didn't win because of Compubox. It only backed up what the judges thought. And lol @ using slow motion replays in boxing. Here Castillo had connected more than Floyd threw. Yet I'm sure that you will look at this differently. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NnAcCkYB9Bw/hqdefault.jpg

the OP didnt fully think this through. you realize every fighter that loses a decision would appeal. You didn't think it through before commenting, you sound like you're just blabbering just to add to your post count even if it's nonsensical. If everyone appeals then everyone has the right for the review, obviously not everyone will appeal because if the fight is so one-sided what's the point of reviewing it, but, if the other team insists, then, he will get a review period. If NBA can do it. Why not in boxing, where lives of the fighters is at stake with every punch?

So many alts since the shaming of the Pact@rds... So many. You're probably had the wrong thread, nothing indicates in this thread about being a pact@rd or floydiot; --well now you just revealed yourself as one of those idiots, you're stuck with that nonsense debacle and you bring it everywhere you go. For the start I scored for floyd 9-3 in the fight live, but I am no floydiot just because I feel floyd won the fight and certainly I am no pact@rd; --I am a real fan of the sweet science, apparently, a dying breed in this sport. This thread is all about improving the sport of boxing we love, and your comment is totally out of place and nonsensical, does not help for the betterment of the sport at all.

the OP didnt fully think this through. you realize every fighter that loses a decision would appeal.

So many alts since the shaming of the Pact@rds... So many.

Judges don't see compubox scores while judging the fight. :dunce: Yes the current rule is judges don't score via compubox, but the petition decision where the NSAC will act as a supreme court will overrule their decision, if found they actually won the fight. So, you see, the proposal will give a sort second life or second chance to correct if any mistake has been made, because human is prone to error.

This is a waste of time. And the ABC is already working on getting only the right calls made, and have been for some time now. And they have been doing good work. Go 'fix' some other sport....... It is not a waste of time, the only waste of time is you, whining and moaning here in the forums without something to contribute about for the improvement of the sport. The proposal, is the only way to get accurate calls. You can never get accurate calls by just using your eyes in LIVE combat because judges or we an audience can only see what's in front of him and the other angle which is begging to be seen can never be seen clearly by the naked eye. In replay everything is seen, --every angle is exposed, thus, every punch is seen connected or not.

I stopped reading at "pacquiao had indeed won" You just can't build on a weak foundation, your entire structure crumbles.

Where do you file a formal petition complaint about the idiocy of this thread at? If you really read the whole post which is a bit too long for you I suppose, before judging anything and sounding idiotic yourself, the post stated that you can file the formal petition complaint on the commission of boxing. Yes, that would be the NSAC if we based that on today's timeline. In effect, everything in the current boxing system is still intact, the proposal didn't change anything on the whole system at all, it just added or should we say upgraded the current system by putting another layer of protection/security so that the sport in general could be more safer from human fallibility, and to dissuade cheaters from even attempting anything hanky-panky at all. Of course, if the commission is hell-bent on cheating, then, cheat they will, but then, at the expense of appearing to be a very obvious cheater to the public.

well, one thing for sure, as long as fights go the distance and horrible referring impacts fights along with poor judging, the sport is doomed to wallow in mediocrity. Go back to 15 rounds.

why not just eliminate the 3 judges from the picture, eliminate their decisions and just wait 3 hours or so for a decision while somebody reviews the bout frame by frame. It still ends up being a judgement call though. Because just like in real life when you are accused of violating a law and the evidence is so overwhelming then the judge's decision based on juries will become incontrovertible and the accused will no longer file a petition to review his case on court of appeals. So in boxing, if the result is so obvious and overwhelmingly one-sided, the team which lost will most probably no longer want to request a petition for review, thus, the judges decision will become final and suffice itself and we save time.

Does that mean we'd have to wait 3 hours for a decision? Yes, I guess 3 hours is reasonable for thorough review, and also yes it's one of the disadvantages making everyone wait and all, but again, the review only happens if there is formal petition complaint from other team within the allowable period, otherwise, the judges decision on fight night stands.

Does that mean we'd have to wait 3 hours for a decision? Nah. It'd involve "re-scoring" after the fact, so decisions can be reversed days afterwards. Hilarious.

Does that mean we'd have to wait 3 hours for a decision?

Boxing fans in a nutshell...whine that it was a "robbery" any time there's a close fight, and act like they're genuinely irritated/shocked when a decision is announced even though they should know by now that "controversy" is a part of the sport because of the large room for subjectivity there is in scoring. I was discussing open scoring once with someone and hashing out the pros and cons to it. The cons that immediately come to mind are that it encourage the winning fighter to adhere to a more defensive strategy and thus taking out the drama. The pros would be that it at least allow fans to know whether or not they're being screwed. I sometimes wish we had something like that in place, but instead of announcing the scorecards after the 4 round and 8 round mark, only announce it at the halfway point and by doing that you give the fighters an idea of what the judges are seeing and they'll adjust accordingly. Announcing scorecards 8 rounds into a championship fight doesn't allow the losing fighter much time to really get some work in because it's usually too late by then. Just food for thought. Don't everyone gang up on me now. If you all want everything to stay the same, fine by me. You sometimes need to step outside the box and wonder how you can improve a sport that's already niche and swimming in a pool of decades-long perceived corruption and non-regulated system. I respect your opinion, I mean, at least as a hardcore fan you're taking action by making a meaningful contribution/suggestions/opinions for the betterment of the sport we love. Obviously, we focus on evidence, and the evidence suggests that the boxing sport is still in dire need of some sort of tweaking, otherwise, the frequent controversy won't happen, but, of course it's hard to make a perfect solution, but we can make it as close to perfect as possible if we just open our mind to all the possibilities and don't get stuck up on traditional ways. I mean, why not keep the good from the traditional ways and add additional layer of security/protection or some sort of upgrade if it will make it ultimately better than ever. There is technology out there that's readily available to make it fast, easy and almost foolproof for us and it is fast becoming the man's ultimate best friend, why not use it when it's begging to be.

Boxing fans in a nutshell...whine that it was a "robbery" any time there's a close fight, and act like they're genuinely irritated/shocked when a decision is announced even though they should know by now that "controversy" is a part of the sport because of the large room for subjectivity there is in scoring. I was discussing open scoring once with someone and hashing out the pros and cons to it. The cons that immediately come to mind are that it encourage the winning fighter to adhere to a more defensive strategy and thus taking out the drama. The pros would be that it at least allow fans to know whether or not they're being screwed. I sometimes wish we had something like that in place, but instead of announcing the scorecards after the 4 round and 8 round mark, only announce it at the halfway point and by doing that you give the fighters an idea of what the judges are seeing and they'll adjust accordingly. Announcing scorecards 8 rounds into a championship fight doesn't allow the losing fighter much time to really get some work in because it's usually too late by then. Just food for thought. Don't everyone gang up on me now. If you all want everything to stay the same, fine by me. You sometimes need to step outside the box and wonder how you can improve a sport that's already niche and swimming in a pool of decades-long perceived corruption and non-regulated system.