Hang on...So Floyd blames his Castillo I performance on exactly the same injury

This is all BS. If he was injured 2 weeks before the fight he would have told the NSAC. He would have notified them with plenty of time (2 weeks) and would have gotten the shot approved. You don't go into the biggest fight of your career questionable. What happened here is they needed an excuse and they found one in an old injury that never needed surgery before but suddenly after being humiliated in the ring it needs immediate attention. And isn't it funny how this went from and injury two weeks out and aggravated in the 4th round to suddenly Arum coming out saying its a 6 year injury! Something tells me they're trying to save face so that NSAC doesn't come down hard on them for not disclosing the injury. Everybody pay attention how Arum, Top Rank and Manny's team spin this story. It's going to be very similar to the spin job they managed to do on the blood testing 6 years ago. First only 3 blood test. One before the press tour, one 30 days out and one after. Then it became "random" with a 30 day cut off Then 24 day cut off. The 14 days. Then it became pac never rejected blood test he just didn't want it on fight night.

Y'all are pathetic. "But Floyd" this and "but Floyd" that. TBE can do what he wants, #48 isn't the same caliber of fighter. The sooner y'all realize the, the quicker the sand starts to exit your va-jay-jay. The one sided mind of a flowmo. Priceless.

Fighting though an injury, winning and dominating a rematch = warrior Losing, whining and crying = sore loser, excuse maker, coward I see no lies.

Could still have it, like Pacquao had his and fought 12 times with it. Before he chose to have surgery on it to save face after his loss. i accept your opinion that he could still has it. opinion because there was no proof he was/is injured. just like there was no proof provided when he got injured before the marquez fight that was rescheduled. Come to think of it Floyd does not need proof for all of these really, his word is proof enough because he is a well known honest man with a gentleman's word to booth but i could also say in my opinion he never had that injury ever since. if you remember it was his left shoulder i believe, the shoulder that was being hit with punches time and time again in all of his fights because of his vaunted shoulder roll defense coupled that with his training regimen sparring and chopping wood, yeah it does not need surgery what it was in the castillo fight is what it is till now. a phantom injury

look at these poor pacfanatics this is a sad site to see i never thought id see the day where #48 would turn to this and go this route after a loss, this is absolutely too much and he has lost my respect as a man, what a sad way to go out

Judging by that logic, surely he would have used the excuse after the 3rd or 4th Marquez fight. The 3rd fight which in my opinion was very similar to the Maywather fight, or the one where he actually got knocked out. It is fairly obvious to anyone impartial that he was injured. I am impartial, I am not a particular fan of either fighter. Please cite my post history before and after fight for evidence. Lets look at things that happened in the build up: -Freddie Roach saying he had Pacquiao doing left hand only sparring, his reason was because he wanted Pacquiao to bring the left hand into play more. In hindsight this now seems very dubious. -Freddie Roach giving Pacquiao a week off sparring as to not overtrain. In hindsight I think he put this press release out as to not raise suspicion to the fact that the sparring partners had been sent home. As an impartial this is the logical way you see it, because Pacquiao is a man, not a coward. He has no history of conducting himself poorly with anything apart being a gentlemen throughout his career. I don't like what Mayweather said, he didn't need to say it, let other people talk. He won the fight, he could take the high ground, but instead he shows hypocrisy. No it isn't. Use all facts, not just the ones you selected. -The form was checked off no. So Manny establishes himself as a liar from the start. -Maybe that was because he got KD 3 times by a sparing partner if that report is accurate. Manny wasn't hurt, he was just getting exposed in training and maybe roach felt he needed time off. Besides, camp said it was leg cramps. SO they lied again. -Manny is a man that banged hookers while married and took money illegally from ODH when signed to TR. He has a full history of lying and doing questionable things. As for this fight-he never told max, raised his hands high in victory after, used the arm to climb the corner and raise his hands and salute the crowd, then had to have Koncz tell him what the injury was before answering the reporter's question in the post fight presser. If you use only selected facts you can make Manny look nothing more than a liar. Using all the facts, he looks 10x worse.

Fighting though an injury, winning and dominating a rematch = warrior Losing, whining and crying = sore loser, excuse maker, coward

Andre ward had a tear and had the option to leave it or have it surgically repaired. Just because #48 had surgery doesn't mean it got any worse. still you did not answer, what about Floyd's injury in castillo fight, what's your take about it? did it get worst or did it get better by chopping woods?

Here is the difference to me. One guy worked his tail off during the fight and another guy gave a piss poor effort. So its alot more palatable to hear about an injury from the guy who still gave it all he had. That I can agree with. Although I thought Manny had fought a really solid fight through 8. It was the last quarter that his efforts were poor.

Manny might have torn it in the fight, no way he had it going in, or a "slight" tear since 2008. You cannot continue to fight or train with any kind of tear on the rotator. The same goes for Floyd. Does any person really believe he had a torn rotator cuff vs Castillo??? NO!! He had a sore shoulder, just like Pac. Frankly Pac is being a cry baby about this!! At least Floyd gritted his teeth and did something when Castillo started pouring it on in the later rounds. Round 11 case and point. The real truth is that for very big portions of the fight and especially the championship rounds, Pac just stood there looking at Floyd reticent to throw. That's what Pac fans actually cannot stomach, the fact that Manny went down without even a yelp. He didn't even force Floyd to have to fight more aggressively to back him off, he did it of his own accord. I agree Manny threw the fight away in the last quarter of the fight.

Here is the difference to me. One guy worked his tail off during the fight and another guy gave a piss poor effort. So its alot more palatable to hear about an injury from the guy who still gave it all he had. Props for Floyd for giving up his all in the fight of the century. If you saw the fight, that was Floyd giving up his all.

I wish people would address there response to me, rather than 'you guys'. This is my opinion, I am not apart of a Pacquiao coalition or something. This is not a debate about the result of the fight, or who is the better fighter. I think Mayweather won, and is the better fighter. That doesn't excuse him from any kind of criticism. He has been a hypocrite on this subject, the two situations are similar and anyone who denies it is showing bias. It is exactly the same injury in fact, so I find Mayweather's recent comments remarkable. Just because Floyd-Castillo was not on the same stratosphere in terms of attention doesn't mean that Floyd didn't reference the injury a lot, in fact he refused to accept that it was even a close fight, after the fight. He was equally as delusional as Pacquiao was in thinking he was ahead going into the last 3 rounds last week. After the second fight with Castillo he gave a 'I told you so" speech to the press, citing that he won the fight clearly, and the second fight showed that and provided clear evidence that he was hampered by the injury in the first fight. Here is the difference to me. One guy worked his tail off during the fight and another guy gave a piss poor effort. So its alot more palatable to hear about an injury from the guy who still gave it all he had.

this is a low point in humanity they way u guys and pac man acted, he lost

Manny might have torn it in the fight, no way he had it going in, or a "slight" tear since 2008. You cannot continue to fight or train with any kind of tear on the rotator. The same goes for Floyd. Does any person really believe he had a torn rotator cuff vs Castillo??? NO!! He had a sore shoulder, just like Pac. Frankly Pac is being a cry baby about this!! At least Floyd gritted his teeth and did something when Castillo started pouring it on in the later rounds. Round 11 case and point. The real truth is that for very big portions of the fight and especially the championship rounds, Pac just stood there looking at Floyd reticent to throw. That's what Pac fans actually cannot stomach, the fact that Manny went down without even a yelp. He didn't even force Floyd to have to fight more aggressively to back him off, he did it of his own accord.

No. Arum said it just was time to fix it, didn't say it got worse. so they just went for surgery because it was the same as it was 6-7 yrs. ago? what about Floyd? did his injury since castillo heal on it's own?

It can kick up any time-yet it didn't kick up until he got beat by Floyd. That fans still defend these guys is ridiculous!! Judging by that logic, surely he would have used the excuse after the 3rd or 4th Marquez fight. The 3rd fight which in my opinion was very similar to the Maywather fight, or the one where he actually got knocked out. It is fairly obvious to anyone impartial that he was injured. I am impartial, I am not a particular fan of either fighter. Please cite my post history before and after fight for evidence. Lets look at things that happened in the build up: -Freddie Roach saying he had Pacquiao doing left hand only sparring, his reason was because he wanted Pacquiao to bring the left hand into play more. In hindsight this now seems very dubious. -Freddie Roach giving Pacquiao a week off sparring as to not overtrain. In hindsight I think he put this press release out as to not raise suspicion to the fact that the sparring partners had been sent home. As an impartial this is the logical way you see it, because Pacquiao is a man, not a coward. He has no history of conducting himself poorly with anything apart being a gentlemen throughout his career. I don't like what Mayweather said, he didn't need to say it, let other people talk. He won the fight, he could take the high ground, but instead he shows hypocrisy.

Exactly. These Stans went on a FIVE YEAR RACIST RUN NON STOP. And they still are. And you think I'm letting up? I'm fighting a full 12 unlike #48. :rofl: :rofl: :lol1: :lol1:

It isn't 1/10th as much as what would be happening on here had Floyd lost. Exactly. These Stans went on a FIVE YEAR RACIST RUN NON STOP. And they still are. And you think I'm letting up? I'm fighting a full 12 unlike #48. :rofl: :rofl:

Don't you love the #48 followers crying about how much we're going IN? That's enough guys, don't ya think?!? NO. :lol1: It isn't 1/10th as much as what would be happening on here had Floyd lost.

Don't you love the #48 followers crying about how much we're going IN? That's enough guys, don't ya think?!? NO. :lol1: