What happened to Manny Pacquaios deadly KO power??

back from a 5 day Ban for what I don't know (mod being a bit over zealous?) so after many fun yrs here this will be my last post, off to east side boxing To the question of Manny's power - he could have knocked out several opponents since Cotto but let them finish the fight - You could rightly argue that at one point the ref shd have stopped the Algieri fight. Margarito for sure was carried. Pac weighed 144.6 for that fight (148 on the night, Margo was 165), roughly the weight I'd expect him to come in for this wknd. Lets go to Floyd. Do we really count 'protect yourself at all times' Ortiz as a true KO? Sure it was legit (even tho the ref didn't wave on the action) but it doesn't really say very much or add to any discussion. If being realistic, Floyd hasn't had a knockout since Hatton. When was that? 2007. Ciao

When he first moved up to welterweight he was showing some iconic legendary power, look at de la hoya, cotto, hatton, margaritos face. Since Arizas magic shakes have stopped even Brandon punchingbag Rios didnt look too beaten up, bradley, even algieri looked pretty much unscratched. Compare that to Cottos face. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qp-gZ5xCpE Gotta through this for the umpteenth time...sigh Delahoya- accumulation, came forward, no defence, couldn't pull trigger to keep manny off Cotto- accumulation Hatton- came straight forward and fought fire with fire Ok since then: - Bradley - great chin, great heart, fought on back foot in first fight moving a lot - marquez- knocked down, great chin, fought going backwards - rios- cAst iron chin - algeiri- knocked down 6 times, moved a lot, survival mode - margarito- unreal chin, much bigger guy, took bad facial damage - clottey- survival mode, bigger guy, covered up - Mosley- knocked down, survival mode, landed 6 punches per round?

This article on fightsaga helps explain how Manny's lack of KO's in the past few years is a bit deceiving. http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/5551-Manny-Pacquiao-No-knockouts-in-6-years-is-deceiving But you're responding to the thread as if it were a call for serious discussion. It's a troll thread. The OP has made up her mind before even asking the question that Manny doesn't have a punch. But that is a great article you've linked and kudos for trying to bring some perspective into it.

This article on fightsaga helps explain how Manny's lack of KO's in the past few years is a bit deceiving. http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/5551-Manny-Pacquiao-No-knockouts-in-6-years-is-deceiving

PAC killed somebody??

Manny has never been a one punch KO artist.......That hatton KO was a perfect timed left hand I cant stand when people (MAywathers) talking bout how he was knocking everybody out.....when he only knocked Hatton out Im suprised nobody put this to rest yet

His power is above average, I admit to getting caught up with the knockout of Hatton...In reality Paq doesn't have that devastating knockout punch, he get's you with his accumulation of fast punches with some pop behind it.

When he first moved up to welterweight he was showing some iconic legendary power, look at de la hoya, cotto, hatton, margaritos face. Since Arizas magic shakes have stopped even Brandon punchingbag Rios didnt look too beaten up, bradley, even algieri looked pretty much unscratched. Compare that to Cottos face.WRONG! Be thankful no one will ever wrongfully accuse you of being bright. First off, Pac was with Ariza for 6 fights that went the distance. Pacquiao's carrying power up is nothing more than a myth. Article: So let's break down his career into weights and ages, using Pacquiao's full record on Boxrec. Early Career Pro debut aged 16 and 1 month, he weighed 106lbs (light flyweight). 4th fight, aged 16, is at 110lbs (flyweight). His first loss is at flyweight, aged 17 as he is knocked out by the 23 year old Torrecampo in February 1996. After a decision victory in his next fight, Pacquiao is 11-1 with 4 kayos. That's a 30% knockout ratio. 112lbs + First World Title He then goes on a knockout run culminating in winning his first world title, aged 18, the WBC flyweight title. Only 1 opponent makes it the distance in 14 fights. In his third defense of the title, Pacquiao misses weight and is knocked out with a body shot by rising Thai prospect Singsurat, who is 18-0 and 6 months older than Pacquiao whom attributes the loss to weight draining. 122lbs + Second World Title Pacquiao then goes up 3 weight divisions for his next fight (yes, 3 - bypassing super flyweight and bantamweight) to successfully challenge for the super bantamweight title in December 1999, on his 21st birthday. He fights 12 times in total at 122lbs, winning all fights by kayo and drawing once in a fight prematurely sent to the scorecards after a cut opened by some awful fouls (how this wasn't a DQ is crazy). He last fights at 122lbs aged 24. 126lbs His stint at featherweight is brief. He defeats Barrera before being robbed of the title by a judging error in his dramatic draw with Juan Manuel Marquez, as the judge who scores it a draw only awards Pacquiao 10-7 for the first round instead of 10-6. He knocks out one more opponent for a final 126lbs record of 2-0-1 (2 kayos) ages 24-25. 130lbs + 3rd World Title He debuts at 130lbs aged 26, challenging Morales for his super featherweight titles, suffering defeat at the first time above 112lbs. He rebounds to stop Morales twice but is taken the distance in victories over Marquez, Barrera, and Oscar Larios for a final 130lb record of 7-1 with 4 kayos. His destructive power is already not quite as evident at this weight class albeit he is in with elite opponents on a regular basis. The Rise That Scared Mayweather He fought once at lightweight, thrashing Diaz en route to a 9th round stoppage. His next fight is at welterweight against Oscar De La Hoya, who, having had serious problems making weight, is stopped on his stool for an 8th round retirement just short of his 30th birthday. The next 2 fights set up the Pacquiao "must be on PEDs" myth. At 140lbs, Pacquiao destroys Hatton who is unable to deal with Pacquiao's speed and accuracy. Hatton fought a horrible fight, without defense and wild offense. 147lbs + The Last KO Pacquiao returns to 147lbs to fight Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs. Cotto is game and brings the fight to Pacquiao, but pays the price as he is dropped twice before succumbing to a 12th round TKO. It is the last stoppage victory of Pacquiao's career (to date). At welterweight, against competitive opposition there is only 1 stoppage (Cotto). He came close to getting other stoppages (Margarito, Marquez, Algieri) and has dropped several guys (Mosley, Algieri, Marquez). His welterweight record, to date, is 9-2 with 2 kayos. Conclusion I think we can put to bed the notion that Pacquiao's punching power carried unhindered through the weights - one of the core arguments of the PPPs as to why he must have taken PEDs. There is a clear progression of 'power' which peaks at 122lbs. As he climbs above that, his kayo % drops (with insufficient samples at 135/140 to show this) and his stoppages trend towards later in fights after accumulation. This officially closes this thread.

He might very well look like one in this fight . Here we go lol. The groupiness in u had to kick in LOL PAc is a bum. Come on man... U cant be that dumb?

Man, anyone who ask this question clearly doesn't know sh*t about boxing.

It went into hiding with Floyd's. Hopefully they'll both get it back for Saturday's dance.

Pac is a bum. He might very well look like one in this fight .

It's gone. Along with his killer instinct.

*****'s are actually shooting themselves in the foot with this crap, you do know how much worse it will be if Pac KO's Floyd under USADA testing

Clottely...Never been stopped. Great chin. Stood in a defensive shell. Margarito...Only stopped twice ever. The Cotto stoppage was due to an eye injury Manny caused. Ref should of stopped the fight as Manny changed the shape of Margarito's face. Mosely..Stopped only once, In his last fight when he was 100 years old due to a back injury. Great chin. Pacquiao had him down and hurt. Marquez...Never been stopped. Has a great sense of recovery as he has showed through-out his career. Was badly hurt by Manny in their last fight. Bradley...Never been stopped. Very good chin. Rios...Never been stopped. Great chin. Pacquiao messed up his face. Algieri...Never been stopped. Was knocked down 5 or 6 times. No stoppage since Cotto..but he hasn't done to badly at all. He's been facing guys with good chins. Guys who don't get stopped.Do you understand now thread starter? Pacquiao can still punch as hard as ever and he just made a yo yo out of Algieri with SIX knockdowns.He has been fighting guys with great chins who don't get KOed. Ariza shakes have nothing to do with Pacquiao's punching power.

Once the other guy starts running or covering up, it's difficult to knock them out. Look at Cotto, first few rounds he was coming forward and matching Pac. Once he got dropped he started running. If you know boxing, it is hard to knockout someone who is running. They did stop it on the 12th round because he got caught with a heavy shot. But it was difficult for Pac who had to chase him around the ring. Mosley the same thing, once he got dropped he started running to survive. Even Bradley was mostly on his back foot but he did get hit by some hard shots that he couldn't remember half the fight. Bradley is tough even Prov couldn't drop him. Rios did the same as Clottey did, just covered up, hard to land a knockout punch on that. Algieri was on his bike the whole fight but he got dropped 6 times. Power is there, it all depends on his opponent. If someone does not want to engage it's difficult to knock them out.

If he was cheating with Ariza shakes then he is clean now and Mayweather is cheating with Ariza shakes. Ariza was helping Pacquiao so much that they fired him.

No more excuses. Fear will set in. He feels the worry. When fraud looks across at Pacman, there is nowhere to hide anymore.

Clottely...Never been stopped. Great chin. Stood in a defensive shell. Margarito...Only stopped twice ever. The Cotto stoppage was due to an eye injury Manny caused. Ref should of stopped the fight as Manny changed the shape of Margarito's face. Mosely..Stopped only once, In his last fight when he was 100 years old due to a back injury. Great chin. Pacquiao had him down and hurt. Marquez...Never been stopped. Has a great sense of recovery as he has showed through-out his career. Was badly hurt by Manny in their last fight. Bradley...Never been stopped. Very good chin. Rios...Never been stopped. Great chin. Pacquiao messed up his face. Algieri...Never been stopped. Was knocked down 5 or 6 times. No stoppage since Cotto..but he hasn't done to badly at all. He's been facing guys with good chins. Guys who don't get stopped.

Flroid is now getting all the "special shakes" that Pac used to get.