even if manny wins

morales and marquez were the only guys manny rematched because he didn't win clearly. floyd rematched castillo and maidana because he didn't win clearly. i would say morales and marquez are better competiton than castillo and maidana. floyd didn't win clearly against worse opposition so your whole point is wrong. But I'm not bragging about fighting guys X amount of times like it means something

list floyd's top 9 fights. we are talking resume right? list floyd's top 9 fights. put them up against pac's 9 fights against barrera, morales, marquez.

morales and marquez were the only guys manny rematched because he didn't win clearly. floyd rematched castillo and maidana because he didn't win clearly. i would say morales and marquez are better competiton than castillo and maidana. floyd didn't win clearly against worse opposition so your whole point is wrong. Daguum just took hanzgrubers soul

Lol why are you bragging like that makes him special. "Pac fought them 9 times!!!1" yea cause he got his ass kicked 7-2-1 yes i'm bragging. 9 fights against 3 top10 p4p, hof, atg fighters. list all floyd's top opponents, and you'll be adding a few more to pac's list too. :lol1:

manny at 18 yrs. old ktfo a top 10 ranked flyweight. and you want to talk resume.

Sven Ottke shits all over both of them. Seriously though, Floyd still wouldn't even have one win over a prime hall of famer. I think his exceptional talent will always be recognised, but his resume sucks balls and it's too late to change that now.

or that's what happens when you're fighting morales instead of sharmba mitchell and gatti and baldomir. 9 fights with barrera, morales, marquez. List floyd's best 9 opponents. Lol why are you bragging like that makes him special. "Pac fought them 9 times!!!1" yea cause he got his ass kicked

"He fought him again doe.....he's a bum". then he lists SRR. ray fought lamotta like 6-7 times.

And floyd would have had only 3. 5 at most. That's what happens when you can't win clearly or that's what happens when you're fighting morales instead of sharmba mitchell and gatti and baldomir. 9 fights with barrera, morales, marquez. List floyd's best 9 opponents.

And floyd would have had only 3. 5 at most. That's what happens when you can't win clearly morales and marquez were the only guys manny rematched because he didn't win clearly. floyd rematched castillo and maidana because he didn't win clearly. i would say morales and marquez are better competiton than castillo and maidana. floyd didn't win clearly against worse opposition so your whole point is wrong.

he was the underdog because the American public didn't know who he was winning fights after being the underdog doesn't make the win anymore significant than if you were picked to win....a win is a win and a loss is a loss so Ricardo Lopez isn't an ATG because he doesn't need 3-4 tries to beat someone clearly ONE TIME.....how about Joe Calzaghe.......how about Pernell Whitaker? Being in great fights don't illustrate greatness....it shows you are determined but now how good you are because its a struggle Guys like Mayweather, Roy Jones, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker were so dominant in their prime and they made it look easy and they fought good competition.....that illustrates greatness a lot more than having entertaining fights and having to fight someone over and over...they were so good in their prime they didn't need to fight the same guy a million times. Losing close fights to ATG and coming back to beat them decisively is much better than beating simply good but not great fighters. Beating a good fighter on two weeks notice is impressive, beating a the #2 Pound for Pound in the world in a weight class higher is impressive, beating naturally bigger men is impressive. It makes all the difference if you beat guys you aren't suppose to it's just simply more impressive and worthy of praise compared to beating fighters who are suppose to lose.

idiot talks about not having rematches but lists ray robinson and leonard. LOL dumbass. jesus christ is that the new way to discredit pac? he had too many fights with barrera, morales, marquez? :lol1:

Mario Veit is a huge name, really catapulted Joe's career. do you think joe rematching a guy he ko'd in one round was wrong? i don't. veit was great. sometimes you just get caught.

pac has 9 fights with barrera, morales and marquez alone. 9. list floyd's top 9 fights vs. HOFers. And floyd would have had only 3. 5 at most. That's what happens when you can't win clearly

he was the underdog because the American public didn't know who he was winning fights after being the underdog doesn't make the win anymore significant than if you were picked to win....a win is a win and a loss is a loss so Ricardo Lopez isn't an ATG because he doesn't need 3-4 tries to beat someone clearly ONE TIME.....how about Joe Calzaghe.......how about Pernell Whitaker? Being in great fights don't illustrate greatness....it shows you are determined but now how good you are because its a struggle Guys like Mayweather, Roy Jones, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker were so dominant in their prime and they made it look easy and they fought good competition.....that illustrates greatness a lot more than having entertaining fights and having to fight someone over and over...they were so good in their prime they didn't need to fight the same guy a million times. uh floyd fought bum ass maidana twice dude. that illustrates greatness to you? he also fought castillo twice who's not as good as morales, barrera, or marquez so how about that greatness?

underdog stories. beating sasakul at 19 yrs old beating ledwaba on 2 weeks notice beating barrera at 1st fight at 126 travelling and fighting worldwide. japan, thailahd, china, california, texas and even tennessee in the united states. pacquiao doesn't just fight in his hometown with hometown judges. rivalries. morales trilogy. marquez quadrology. bradley, barrera rematches. comebacks. hardest thing in sports is to lose and comeback. got KTFO as teen, went on to win flyweight title. lost his flyweight title, 2 years later won 122 title. lost to morales, beat morales in rematch and rubber match. lost title in robbery to bradley, regained title from bradley. memorable fights. entertaining FOTY and FOTY candidates vs. morales, marquez, barrera, cotto, etc. THAT IS THE STORY OF AN ATG. not going undefeated like sven ottke and joe calzaghe. he was the underdog because the American public didn't know who he was winning fights after being the underdog doesn't make the win anymore significant than if you were picked to win....a win is a win and a loss is a loss so Ricardo Lopez isn't an ATG because he doesn't need 3-4 tries to beat someone clearly ONE TIME.....how about Joe Calzaghe.......how about Pernell Whitaker? Being in great fights don't illustrate greatness....it shows you are determined but now how good you are because its a struggle Guys like Mayweather, Roy Jones, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker were so dominant in their prime and they made it look easy and they fought good competition.....that illustrates greatness a lot more than having entertaining fights and having to fight someone over and over...they were so good in their prime they didn't need to fight the same guy a million times.

Well, not scared but Joe realizes that he is in fact Joe Calzaghe so why would anything other than a fighter coming over to him even cross his mind? that's true i mean he went to germany to fight mario veit but wasn't able to go to germany to fight ottke because he was 1. scared of flying and 2. didn't want to fight in germany

Tua you can discount joe calzaghe based on him getting disputed decisions vs robin Reid and 43 year old Bernard Hopkins He also didn't face a single HOF fighter 5 years within their prime in his entire career poppyco-ck! he dominated everyone prime for prime, actually calzaghe was green when he schooled a prime eubank and he was shot when he schooled prime hopkins and jones.

Historic 5 lineal titles...

Tua you can discount joe calzaghe based on him getting disputed decisions vs robin Reid and 43 year old Bernard Hopkins He also didn't face a single HOF fighter 5 years within their prime in his entire career can i replace him with brian nielsen? he was 48-0 at one point.