Should boxing implement a 13th round if and only if after 12 rounds fight is a draw?

An extra round in the event of a draw? Wow, I didn't know that. Seems a bit weird to me though. Why not just have 13 rounds from the off? Because USBA and NABF title fights were only 12-rounders then. World title fights for WBA and USBAI were 15 rounders. ESPN had tournaments then. Jessie Ferguson even beat Buster Douglas for the ESPN heavyweight belt. I saw at least one fight that was a draw and they went to the 13th round.

Well, ESPN title fights had it back in the days of Randy Gordon, Dave Bontempo, Al Berstein and Sal Marciano . An extra round in the event of a draw? Wow, I didn't know that. Seems a bit weird to me though. Why not just have 13 rounds from the off?

I'm not opposed to straight up 13 round championship fights but the overtime/sudden death thing is a bit WWF for me. I can't imagine any commentator would be comfortable with the phrase "sudden death" given what we know can happen in the ring. Well, ESPN title fights had it back in the days of Randy Gordon, Dave Bontempo, Al Berstein and Sal Marciano .

I think its a great idea. People coming up with so many hypothetical reasons why it couldnt work as if the rules havent been changed before. It doesnt even have to be open scoring. Why not just tally each round after the end of the round in private? Then announce a draw if it is at the of a 1 min break after the 12th? Also, it wouldnt cut draws out completely but it would reduce them signicantly. Thats a big deal when the paying public has to wait 6 months to a year+ for a rematch. Fighters might not want to wait that long when theyve poured so much into preparation for the initial match. Cant recall one fight where both sides werent disappointed with a draw. Open scoring was tried . It was not a good idea. Lou Duva made Johnny Bumphus quit on his stool after he was accidentally head butted. He knew they were ahead. That killed the open scoring idea. Look, these bodies are not going to listen to us. But, the fkkrs really ruined . WBC and the American Murder, err Medical, Association were pressuring WBA and IBF to reduce title fights to 12 rounds. They should have settled on 13 rounds . Regional title fights could have then gone to 10 or maybe even 11 rounds. Hell , they could have had 13 rounds and tack in that 3 minutes in 12 rounds and argue it be the same length in minutes anyway. Plus the boxers get one more round of rest .

Fkn hell, this conspiracy's getting bigger! :burnout: You really have no clue why Jose Baby Doc Sulaiman reduced title fights to 12 rounds .

I'm not opposed to straight up 13 round championship fights but the overtime/sudden death thing is a bit WWF for me. I can't imagine any commentator would be comfortable with the phrase "sudden death" given what we know can happen in the ring.

I think its a great idea. People coming up with so many hypothetical reasons why it couldnt work as if the rules havent been changed before. It doesnt even have to be open scoring. Why not just tally each round after the end of the round in private? Then announce a draw if it is at the of a 1 min break after the 12th? Also, it wouldnt cut draws out completely but it would reduce them signicantly. Thats a big deal when the paying public has to wait 6 months to a year+ for a rematch. Fighters might not want to wait that long when theyve poured so much into preparation for the initial match. Cant recall one fight where both sides werent disappointed with a draw.

Safety was NOT the reason . It was the escape goat . Fkn hell, this conspiracy's getting bigger! :burnout:

This isn't tennis. It's not golf. It's guys taking shots to the head. They'd fight until they couldn't stand if we let them. It's obvious from my post that I know why fights were reduced to 12 rounds but, go on, give me your conspiracy theory. Network TV? Roone Arledge told Jose Khadaffy Sulaiman to reduce title fights to 12 rounds so it would fit the 1-hour time slot and so he wouldn't local affiliates whenever title fights like Holmes-Cobb go the 15 rd distance. Safety was NOT the reason . It was the escape goat . The Mancini-Kim fight was the excuse . Even though that was a WBA title fight . WBA did not reduced their title fights to 12 rounds till years later after We Be Corrupt did . But, go on, preach your boxing safety sermons. 12 rounds sure didn't save Kiko Bejines who Sulaiman sent to his death.

Yes. And they too, want a winner. The Broner-Vargas was an example of that . Name one-on-one sports that have draws . How would you like it on tennis? Did any of them complain after 5 hours and they were still doing the tie-breaker? UFC has 3 and 5 rounds to avoid those draws as much as possible. And you still have no idea why title fights were reduced to 12 rounds . This isn't tennis. It's not golf. It's guys taking shots to the head. They'd fight until they couldn't stand if we let them. It's obvious from my post that I know why fights were reduced to 12 rounds but, go on, give me your conspiracy theory. Network TV?

sure why not but boxing has bigger problems. most fans dont even realize the a-side chooses the judges for the fight. why are these decisions so strange...i dont know!

No fughin way Please no A draw is a fughin draw Live with it

Draws aren't very common so no need to change. I think their should be more judges which would do the exact same thing. The odds of a draw with 5 judges is very small.

You want a winner. You think 12 rounds is too short. Tell that to the poor bastards slurring their speech in their later years. A draw is a draw. Plenty of sports have them. Recognise that two fighters came together, couldn't be separated, and both leave with their record intact. Yes. And they too, want a winner. The Broner-Vargas was an example of that . Name one-on-one sports that have draws . How would you like it on tennis? Did any of them complain after 5 hours and they were still doing the tie-breaker? UFC has 3 and 5 rounds to avoid those draws as much as possible. And you still have no idea why title fights were reduced to 12 rounds .

The did away with even rounds to try to prevent draws. We wouldn't have 6-6 if the title fights are 13 or 15 rounds with no even rounds . What's wrong with draws in world title fights ? Is that even a question ? We'd like a winner to settle the fight . 12 rounds are too short anyway. You want a winner. You think 12 rounds is too short. Tell that to the poor bastards slurring their speech in their later years. A draw is a draw. Plenty of sports have them. Recognise that two fighters came together, couldn't be separated, and both leave with their record intact.

And like I said, that's a draw. A draw is a legitimate result. If two fighters fight out a draw, call it a draw. Why don't we want the draw? If it's a draw? If it shouldn't be a draw, and the issue is that the judges are bent, then that's a completely different issue. The did away with even rounds to try to prevent draws. We wouldn't have 6-6 if the title fights are 13 or 15 rounds with no even rounds . What's wrong with draws in world title fights ? Is that even a question ? We'd like a winner to settle the fight . 12 rounds are too short anyway.

6 rounds a piece happens . And like I said, that's a draw. A draw is a legitimate result. If two fighters fight out a draw, call it a draw. Why don't we want the draw? If it's a draw? If it shouldn't be a draw, and the issue is that the judges are bent, then that's a completely different issue.

Originally Posted by DARKSEID View Post Are you a moron? They made the change from 15 rounds to 12 rounds to protect the fighters. Giving an unlimited number of rounds until a fighter gives upm without stoppages would be detrimental to fighters like Margarito for example who wouldn't give up until they suffered irreversible damage. Imagine Margarito fighting pacquiao for 20 rounds or badou for 20 rounds because they didn't want to give up. Margarito already broke his orbital bone after 12, what more if they let the fight continue until he gave up. Title fights were reduced to 12 rounds after Roone Arledge complained to Jose Sulaiman, the Holmes-Cobb fight went over an hour and he had to pay local affiliates for air time . He told Sulaiman to reduce title fights to 12 rounds . That year, Limon-Chacon IV became the last 15-rounder under WBC. WBA and IBF ( USBAI then ) DID NOT FOLLOW WBC right away. When Payao Poontara and Jiro Watanabe fought to unify their jr bantam belt, We Be Asking stripped Watanabe of his title b/c he agreed to fight a 12-rd title fight . Of course We Be Corrupt had no problem sanctioning Duran-Hagler in a 15-rounder months after Limon-Chacon 4. Limon-Chacon was the fight of the year in 1982. The following year Chacon beat Edwards in a 12-rounder and that was the fight of the year that year as well. WBA and IBF kept on with their 15 rounders until it just got too complicated . IT WAS CHEAPER TO AIR 12 rounders than 15 rounders . The move was more for business. NOT BOXER's SAFETY. In 1983, WBC sanctioned the Kiko Bejines vs Albert Davila title fight after Lupe Pintor vacated his bantam belt . Kiko did not deserve the title shot . He was tko'd the year before . He was killed in that title fight . The 12 round schedule did not save his life . He was KO'd in the 12th round. IBF's last 15 rounder was a classic between Calvin Grove and Maromero Paez . Paez rallied and knocked down Grove 3 times in the 15th round to eek out a close win. 12 round title fights are bull sh8 to me. The worst they could have done was to reduce it to 13 rounds. Boxers look so fresh after 12 rounds nowadays .

It amazes me, it really does. How little some of the people on this forum actually comprehend the sport that they comment on. As a fighter I would say first that I had signed a contract to fight 12 rounds, not 13 or 14 or until you are satisfied. I would then add that if you want to quadruple my purse for the fight to fight this extra round.......... Why do the fighters need to fight more for you? Either way you will beeitch in the forums about who won or lost no matter the outcome. Fighters only have so many rounds in them and they hope to make the most of what is inside of them. After fighting 12 rounds, if it was a draw, chances are that these human beings are going to be battered and worn. To send them out for another round simply so that you can have a decision, and then ***** about it on an open forum, is just not worth it to them. In that condition that one round could drain 12 rounds out of a mans career, 20 rounds or even kill him. Kid, what you watch on tv of this sport is not a video game, is not a movie and it is not even a game. It's a brutal sport that has definite consequences, these are real men risking their lives that you are watching. Take your extra round a shove it!!!! Ok, you can have 13 2:45 rounds too. The 13th round is the tiebreaker . It also gives the puncher another round to win. Should I even start spewing great fights that ended in the 13th round ??? Arguello-Olivares ? Louis-Conn 1 ? Mike Rossman-Victor Galindez ? Billy Conn would have beat Joe Louis .

It's pretty simple to me, a draw is a legitimate outcome. Why are we trying to fix it? I'm guessing the problem people actually have is with the scoring. Well let's fix that instead! 6 rounds a piece happens .