No lineal champion since 2004? How do you win the title?

What lineal is he going by. Pretty sure Adonis is lineal no not really. if you follow the actual lineage ward is. there was another new lineage established but since erdei never lost and never officially retired he was still the real lineal champ but no one really knew who he was so they just pretended he wasn't champ. rodriguez coming in at light heavy to fight ward means ward won the lineal championship at light heavy.

Since he beat Rodriguez What lineal is he going by. Pretty sure Adonis is lineal

Also if the championship is determined by the top ranked 1 and 2 fighter what official rankings would they be going by? Transnational Boxing? If so the top two are Klitchko and Pov, and they fought a while back with Klitchko winning.....so is he lineal now? Undisputed means you hold all of the major belts (WBA Super, WBC, IBF, WBO) 3/4 used to be enough, but Hopkins effectively changed it. Just like lineages though, this may not reflect the best fighter in the division, but more than likely will. Lineages are a bit different, and theres two aspects to them, one which causes trouble. Consensus 1 vs 2 creates a new lineage. Wlad vs Povetkin fits that bill nicely. However, its the other aspect of lineal titles that make it flawed. A lineal champion retains that title when he first establishes it, unless he loses or retires etc. Most thought Wlad was already the lineal champ of the division, so a new lineage wasnt created nor required. The flaw here is that the lineal champ can sit on this title all he likes, and depending on who this champion fights, the lineal title can gradually separate from the consensus best fighter. Not to mention, 1 vs 2 is subjective in of itself, as indicated by Mayweathers currently semi-recognised 147 lineage (though the Pac fight will erase all doubt). I think the lineal system attempts to bring some objectivity to a sport that inherently rejects it.

Wut. Since when was ward lineal at 175 lol Since he beat Rodriguez

Also if the championship is determined by the top ranked 1 and 2 fighter what official rankings would they be going by? Transnational Boxing? If so the top two are Klitchko and Pov, and they fought a while back with Klitchko winning.....so is he lineal now?

I'm talking heavyweight division. So the holder of WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO is the undisputed champion? Or is 3/4 good? Or is it just the ring belt?

Lineal titles are fun LHW lineage: Hill->Michalczewski->Gonzalez->Erdei->Grachev->Rodriguez->Ward***10;***10;Ward lineal champ @ 168 & 175. And that***39;s why lineage is dumb.— Ryan Bivins (@RyanBivins) March 31, 2015 Wut. Since when was ward lineal at 175 lol

The two very best fighters of a division have to fight. Not only #1 vs #2, it has to be agreed upon by fans and media that they are #1 and #2.

I think back in the day, you won the ring belt by unifying 3 belts. Then it was changed to the winner between the top two contenders. Now either the #1 contender or the #2 contender can win it by beating the #3, #4, or #5 contender. It'll be top 10 if top guys keep on not fighting each other

Lineal titles are fun LHW lineage: Hill->Michalczewski->Gonzalez->Erdei->Grachev->Rodriguez->Ward***10;***10;Ward lineal champ @ 168 & 175. And that***39;s why lineage is dumb.— Ryan Bivins (@RyanBivins) March 31, 2015

I think back in the day, you won the ring belt by unifying 3 belts. Then it was changed to the winner between the top two contenders. Now either the #1 contender or the #2 contender can win it by beating the #3, #4, or #5 contender.

No its not.... The Lineal belt Cotto hold dates back to Hopkins beating Tito. That created the first undisputed MW champions since Toney vacated his belts. "Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey (1884-1891) Bob Fitzsimmons (1891, Fitz vacated the title 1895) Tommy Ryan (1898-1906, vacated title) Stanley Ketchel (1907-1908) Billy Papke (1908) Stanley Ketchel (1908, Ketchel was shot and killed, October 15, 1910) After Ketchel was murdered, the title was "re-claimed" by Billy Papke. Papke lost to "Cyclone" Johnny Thompson, but the title was also claimed by Hugo Kelly, Frank Klaus, and Eddie McGoorty. Klaus beat Georges Carpentier and Papke to re-establish the lineage. Frank Klaus(1913) George Chip (1913-1914) Al McCoy (1914-1917) Mike O'Dowd (1917-1920) Johnny Wilson (1920-1923) Harry Greb (1923-1926) Tiger Flowers (1926) Mickey Walker (1926-1931, vacated title to campaign as heavyweight) 1931-1941: Title claimants during this era included William "Gorilla" Jones, Marcel Thil, Ben Jeby, Lou Brouillard, Vince Dundee, Teddy Yarosz, Eddie "Babe" Risko, Freddie Steele, Fred Apostoli, Al Hostak, "Solly" Krieger, "Ceferino" Garcia, Ken Overlin, Tony Zale and Billy Soose! Whew! Tony Zale (1941-1947) Rocky Graziano1947-1948) Tony Zale (1948) Marcel Cerdan (1948-1949) Jake LaMotta (1949-1951) "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951) Randy Turpin (1951) "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1951-1952) Carl "Bobo" Olson (1952-1955) "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1955-1957) Gene Fullmer (1957) "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1957) Carmen Basilio (1957-1958) "Sugar" Ray Robinson (1958-1960) Paul Pender (1960-1961) Terry Downes (1961-1962) Paul Pender (1962-1963, retired) Dick Tiger (1963) Joey Giardello (1963-1965) Dick Tiger (1965-1966) Emile Griffith(1966-1967) Nino Benvenuti (1967) Emile Griffith (1967) Nino Benvenuti (1968-1970) Carlos Monzon (1970-1977, retired) Rodrigo Valdez (1977-1978) Hugo Corro (1978-1979) Vito Antuofermo (1979-1980) Alan Minter (1980) Marvin Hagler (1980-1987) "Sugar" Ray Leonard (1987, vacated title) Michael Nunn (1989-1991) James Toney (1991-1993, vacated title) Bernard Hopkins (2001- 2005) Jermain Taylor (2005-2007) Kelly Pavlik (2007-2010) Sergio Martinez (2010-2014) Miguel Cotto (2014-present)

That is the ring title. A lineal belt is won when 1 fighter unifys the division and cleans it out getting all the major belts. That makes him the undisputed champion and the so called "men" that fighter can get strip of all his belts but he still the "the men". when that men lose he passes that lineal belt and the other one become "the men who beat the men". Cotto holds right now the lineal championship that Hopkins won by beating Tito in 2001. No the Lineage can simply be restarted by the top 2 fighters in the division ABC Belts have nothing to do with it. Wlad is the lineal Champ and has never been Undisputed Champ.

That is the ring title. A lineal belt is won when 1 fighter unifys the division and cleans it out getting all the major belts. That makes him the undisputed champion and the so called "men" that fighter can get strip of all his belts but he still the "the men". when that men lose he passes that lineal belt and the other one become "the men who beat the men". Cotto holds right now the lineal championship that Hopkins won by beating Tito in 2001. No. Holding all major belts makes you the undisputed champion A vacate lineal throne can only be competed for by the top 2 ranked fighters - traditionally as per Ring rankings but because of promoter influences regarding Ring magazine, TRB rankings are now being used as a reference point

That is the ring title. A lineal belt is won when 1 fighter unifys the division and cleans it out getting all the major belts. That makes him the undisputed champion and the so called "men" that fighter can get strip of all his belts but he still the "the men". when that men lose he passes that lineal belt and the other one become "the men who beat the men". Cotto holds right now the lineal championship that Hopkins won by beating Tito in 2001. No its not....

For which division? There's a division which hasn't had a champion in like 40 years Anyway it's the unanimous too 2 fighters that fight to form the lineage

Top 2 ranked fighters facing each other Not sure what division you are referring to by the way That is the ring title. A lineal belt is won when 1 fighter unifys the division and cleans it out getting all the major belts. That makes him the undisputed champion and the so called "men" that fighter can get strip of all his belts but he still the "the men". when that men lose he passes that lineal belt and the other one become "the men who beat the men". Cotto holds right now the lineal championship that Hopkins won by beating Tito in 2001.

Top 2 ranked fighters facing each other Not sure what division you are referring to by the way