can you outbox someone with too much power?

The difficulty with guys like GGG, Kovalev, Thurman or even someone like Frampton is that these guys have very good power but are also very decent boxers.

James Toney could fight the hulk and his power still wouldn't mean ****.

As long as you are good at not getting hit or hit clean yes. Thats literally what outboxing is making a guy miss and hitting him more than he ever hits you.

can ggg or thurman be outboxed? seems to me like the way to defeat those guys is to knock them out with your own massive power big power punchers usually lose by getting outboxed.

Yea but the problem with GGG and Thurman is that there great BOXERS with serious power in both has ...if that can't get rid of you ,your ganna take a cruel boxing lesson yourself True that. Both guys can be technical if need be and can counter too. I believe GGGs amateur/professional experience is what has taken him this far. But having power helps too.. Lol

Whitaker/Chavez Leonard/Hagler Grove/Fenech Robinson/Gatti I II Nunn/Barkley etc. Just watched groves fenech....I love Cal's style and talent....he'd been a great fighter with a lil more physical strength and a better chin

Of course you can. Don't believe it, watch Winky Wright vs Felix Trinidad. How many people thought Trinidad including Trinidad himself that he was going to huff and puff and blow Wright away? Wright known as a southpaw defensive boxer with decent hand speed and a peek a boo defense. Trinidad couldn't do jack the entire fight as he followed Wright around mostly and got jabbed to death. Once Trinidad tired, Wright opened up more and let his hands go landing all kinds of shots. It's a typical example of boxer vs puncher, puncher gets tired, boxer takes over the fight.

Yea but the problem with GGG and Thurman is that there great BOXERS with serious power in both has ...if that can't get rid of you ,your ganna take a cruel boxing lesson yourself

Yes definitely. The most common trait that big punchers have is being flat footed. By being flat footed, they can really sit on their punches and throw hard shots. They trade mobility for power(GGG, Provodnikov, Maidana) whilst pure boxers trade power for mobility.(Ward, Bradley, Lara,) theres no wrong style, just different styles.

Yes you can......by boxing.

The problem arises when you have to beat speed, power, agility, reflexes too. A guy that is strictly a power puncher can be outboxed but the power is one of the most pronounced attributes because it has a lasting effect.

Its been proven time and again. It will always happen to punchers eventually, whether it is a 12 round decision or they reach their demise within the distance. Rather than thinking of a fighter being able to avoid that big shot, think of it more that the KO artist has to find it and replicate that over and over, and it is more likely that fighters eventually evade those shots for 12 rounds, or a KO shot at least especially as the level of competition becomes higher. I think in most cases, making the big puncher hesitant to throw plays a big part in beating them, this usually happens when the opposing fighter makes them miss and makes them pay early in the fight with regularity. Very quickly the fight looks totally different to how you pictured it, and the KO artist doesn't look like the monster he was previously. If you take Kovalev as an example, I can already see how Kovalev can be outboxed, for others it is difficult to see because Kovalev destroyed Pascal who had a solid chin and is highly rated, but Pascal has never been defensively responsible, furthermore he doesn't like fighting at a pace, which Kovalev forced him to do. But if you look at evidence in Kovalev's previous fights, including the Pascal fight, he can be hit and he is not the fastest guy in the world. He was also easily countered by Pascal in some of the middle rounds. Its not to say he isn't an exceptional fighter, because he is, but in my honest opinion don't be surprised if Stevenson makes him look stupid at times in that fight.

Didn't Provodnikov get outboxed by Herrera and Algieri? Also, I felt that Judah edged Matthysse, he outboxed him. There's many recent examples in the past 5 years.

Of course those guys can be outboxed..

Ward can outbox GGG and Kovalev. Mayweather can outbox thurman. FFS Algieri outboxed Provodnikov.

I think you'd have to fight a perfect fight and would have to be an incredible boxer to pull it off. It's been done in the past so it's certainly possible, oscar and Bhop vs tito comes to mind.