I had to start this topic because I would say 75 percent of the people I talk to that are going for Floyd tell me he is going to knock him out.
(Quick Disclaimer to avoid flaming: I pick Mayweather by decision, but I give Manny a real good chance to outwork Mayweather and possibly get a decision)
My point is Marquez is an offensively minded fighter with a good defense and counters, while Mayweather is a defensively minded fighter with a good offense and counters. Marquez had his feet planted with forward momentum for most of Marquez Pacquiao 4 because he was going for the KO and that setup the big right hand he hit him with on multiple occasions btw in the 4th fight, the last one was just perfect which got him the KO.
I do not expect Mayweather to plant his feet and throw a big power punch like Marquez did. Marquez will lunge forward with his counters and throws big powerful punches, while Mayweather sits in a defensive position and pushes forward enough to land his punch's, but not with offensive power in his mind like Marquez.
The last KO mayweather had was with Ortiz which was standing right in front of him, and the one before that was Hatton that I believe happened after repeated punishment from Floyd's left hooks. I can see Manny having the same fate, but not a one punch KO from Floyd. I'm not saying that its not possible for Floyd to throw a one punch KO, but he would be risking more to throw a big power punch and he is not going to do that because he is defensively minded.
Those people who say Mayweather will win becaues Marquez is a counter puncher and Floyd is the best counter puncher dont know **** about boxing.
I agree op they are entirely different style fighters, but I disagree, Marquez doesn't have good defense, show me any point in any fight that he has ever used a double guard, high guard, or blocked punches? he doesnt even clinch, JMM is a bullfighter, he fights guys like a bull fighter side step and throw 3 daggers. back up stab stab stab, side step.
He gets hit a lot but he trades with Pac.
In order to beat Pac convincingly you will neeed to throw combos, Floyd will however knock Pac out with a right hand walking backward. Pac cannot fight a guy who is moving away well, he wins on activity and aggression but he doesnt know how to cut the ring off.
Floyd will fire off single right handds flush on Pac, and either hold or roll under and out and repeat a leaping left hook and right hand. Pac will stop and just walk forward and than leap an lunge and get countered.
Floyd hits harder than Manny, Oscar even said it, he said they hit about the same but he said Flooyd actually hurt him while Pac hit Oscar flush and couldn't even rock him. Floyd will have the power and chin advantage.
Pac chin will not hold up, remember Bradley hit Pac super hard on the chin with a loaded right hand and Pac flew in the air and landed on shakkey legs for 1 second. Imagine if that were Floyd? Pac cannot avoid any single right hand at all, but he can avoid jabs, he is a strange fighter, he is great at countering a jab and taking it away but he has no clue on how to avoid right hands.
It will not be a KO win for Floyd. But he will win by comfortable unanimous decision.
Floyd has the ability to KO Pacquaio but he will not stray from his defensive style, he is not going to go on the attack or do anything risky.
In the ring Floyd is extremely disciplined and focused on his tried and tested style. A Master of the art of great defensive fighting.
After the bell rings at the end of the 12th Floyd will be victorious. He will be respectful to Manny and his corner, Give his interview to Jim Gray and that will be it.
Floyd does not celebrate much after fights. He doesn't go to the clubs or hangs out in Vegas. He goes home, gets a massage, watches a movie and reflects on a good days work
Mayweather isn't but he is longer, bigger more athletic, with great boxing and countering ability.
Honestly, that is a much bigger problem for Manny to solve if you want to be honest about it, because a lot of the probglems JMM had, Mayweather won't because his range is so much greater than JMM that his counters and leads won't bring him into the danger like they brought JMM.
So yea JMM had to work very hard, but those limitation that he had don't apply to Floyd. If that leads to a knockout or not who knows, it could happen but it certainly isn't a sure thing.
Might as well give my 2 cents. . . I do not think it's out of the possibility for Floyd to get a late stoppage rounds 10/11, but for that to happen it would mean Pac would need to eat counters all night with his chin open, also a possibility. . . However this is an unlikely outcome because what's more of a possibility is Floyd will break his hand before then, and may revert to the lead left and occasionally throw the right.
So I think a late TKO is possible for Floyd but highly unlikely.
I agree if there is going to be a ko by Mayweather, that is the only way I see it happening unless he is going to change his style and be more aggressive than what he usually is which is counter productive on his part if his intention is to get the win.
Might as well give my 2 cents. . . I do not think it's out of the possibility for Floyd to get a late stoppage rounds 10/11, but for that to happen it would mean Pac would need to eat counters all night with his chin open, also a possibility. . . However this is an unlikely outcome because what's more of a possibility is Floyd will break his hand before then, and may revert to the lead left and occasionally throw the right.
So I think a late TKO is possible for Floyd but highly unlikely.
All in all, Floyd will NOT take the chances that Marquez took in order to land the shots that he did. Floyd is defense first. He makes sure he's completely out of harms way before he lets his punches go or tries to surprise his opponents and sneak one in before they can get their shot off. If Pac can apply smart aggression and mix it up by coming from different angles, Floyd is in for a long night.
Sorry I should have been more specific, I wasn't referring to people on the site here, I was talking about casual talk about the fight with people I know and watch the fights with Some family and friends in and outside of work. Its hard to believe, but if I grabbed all the numbers and pulled a percentage I would say its 60 - 80 percent of the people that I talk to.
Thanks for the warning I wouldn't figure out by myself that they are not the same person.
:lol1: I too was confused until this revealing thread. Thanks OP
I think you are severely over exaggerating the number of people who think Floyd is going to KO Manny. The poll in the main shows this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. if someone thinks Floyd will win by KO there is nothing wrong with that. It shouldn't bother you.
I agree with you that JMM and Floyd are not exactly the same and also agree with your Mayweather UD pick.
BTW: Having this argument with that 75 percent of people that think floyd is just going to go in there and KO Manny is close to impossible, but some of them don't follow boxing, they are just Floyd fans and don't understand the differences.
This is going to be just like the superbowl where you have different people picking different teams with their team shirts, but don't follow them at all or have any idea why they are there, they are just going for the winning team.