Why does Ward-stans want GGG to move up?

GGG can do whatever the fk he wants. He's been working hard on cleaning out 160 and unifying for a long time. He is pretty damn close to doing so. Not his fault the other "champ" won't face him. Let the man finish his goal, or at least try.. before moving on.

I've been proved wrong because you say so? You would suck Kessler's helmet if it had been dipped in anthrax and Ebola. You're not exactly credible. I have thoroughly argued the point. Your response has been to just reiterate the same trash. You are a terrible poster. You're literally trying to say that James DeGale and George Groves are bigger fights for Kessler than Ward and Froch. Nothing more needs to be said about your stupidity and bias. Did I say that? Of course I didn't. I said DeGale and Groves would give him more money than Ward. Your response to that was the same trash again. You have no counter because there is none. You are a petty troll. I'm not concerning myself with Ward's inactivity. You keep fixating on that because it makes you feel better about yourself for some reason. I'm looking at both guys at this point in their careers. Ward already has a borderline HOF career. Golovkin is older and has yet to achieve a significant victory. It will only hurt his legacy if he stays at middleweight for much longer fighting sub-par opposition. What you do is hold Ward to one standard and Golovkin to another. As is always the case, you cannot put forth a defense. The only thing you do is to put forth the same trash. Its tiresome and boring. Take your beating like a grown up and move on to another thread.

I've been proved wrong because you say so? You would suck Kessler's helmet if it had been dipped in anthrax and Ebola. You're not exactly credible. You're literally trying to say that James DeGale and George Groves are bigger fights for Kessler than Ward and Froch. Nothing more needs to be said about your stupidity and bias. I'm not concerning myself with Ward's inactivity. You keep fixating on that because it makes you feel better about yourself for some reason. I'm looking at both guys at this point in their careers. Ward already has a borderline HOF career. Golovkin is older and has yet to achieve a significant victory. It will only hurt his legacy if he stays at middleweight for much longer fighting sub-par opposition. Nelson has had a major league hard on for Ward for beating Kessler. This whole thread was just another thinly disguised attempt to discredit Ward. The real question is why would anyone (Ward fan, GGG fan, makes no difference) not want to see a Ward/GGG matchup?

Yes you have, but it doesn't hinder you from stating the exact same trash again I've been proved wrong because you say so? You would suck Kessler's helmet if it had been dipped in anthrax and Ebola. You're not exactly credible. You're literally trying to say that James DeGale and George Groves are bigger fights for Kessler than Ward and Froch. Nothing more needs to be said about your stupidity and bias. He has chosen the terrible opponents that he HAS fought though and he has turned down offers that he himself asked for! So Ward gets 4 years while Golovkin gets 1. I'm not concerning myself with Ward's inactivity. You keep fixating on that because it makes you feel better about yourself for some reason. I'm looking at both guys at this point in their careers. Ward already has a borderline HOF career. Golovkin is older and has yet to achieve a significant victory. It will only hurt his legacy if he stays at middleweight for much longer fighting sub-par opposition.

I haven't been proved wrong. Yes you have, but it doesn't hinder you from stating the exact same trash again: Kessler wants the two biggest money fights out there or he won't fight. The guy is a diva not a warrior. Why is that? Are you: A: Very stupid? B: Unable to understand simple sentences? C: trolling and laughing behind your screen? D: A combination of A, B and C? There's no double standard. Ward's career has stalled because of outside factors. You keep saying he hasn't fought in so many years as if he has chosen that route. Once again, this boring excuse is going to fly out the window when he gets back in the ring again so why even bring it up? He has chosen the terrible opponents that he HAS fought though and he has turned down offers that he himself asked for! If Ward can't get the Golovkin fight within the next year or can't get a big meaningful fight then he should move up. Same if Golovkin can't get Cotto or anyone at middleweight. So Ward gets 4 years while Golovkin gets 1. Double standard. Again. See A, B, C and D. But it's ok Dirk. You have a double standard. We all know that by now.

We where talking about Money which is the reason you think Kessler would come back. You where proved wrong (again). I haven't been proved wrong. Kessler wants the two biggest money fights out there or he won't fight. The guy is a diva not a warrior. Your Card is not many Cards. Not even if you score it 100 times. The overwhelming majority here on boxingscene had Kessler winning. Stop repeating Froch's BS. You are looking more and more foolish. Source for that please. It's one all. Why does that mean so much to you that Froch is 1-1 against a guy you claim is a secondrater? I don't get it. Like I said to LacedUp. Do a poll. You'll get a strong number of people who thought Froch won the first fight which was a 7-5 shot either way. Not a single credible person will have Kessler winning the second fight. It was a clear victory for Froch. Ward has fought no live body in 3 years and now there's new blood in the division. Why will you not give GGG the same latitude as you give Ward? Why not have him waiting 3 years in the division fighting Cans without seeking better challengers by going up? Why the double standard? He hasn't fought anyone in .... you know..... how many years was it? Prestige? Unifications? Why did Ward stay after cleaning out? But you want to see more Rodriguez's and Sartisons while Ward Waits for something that might never happen? Why the double standard? Yes. There's no double standard. Ward's career has stalled because of outside factors. You keep saying he hasn't fought in so many years as if he has chosen that route. Once again, this boring excuse is going to fly out the window when he gets back in the ring again so why even bring it up? If Ward can't get the Golovkin fight within the next year or can't get a big meaningful fight then he should move up. Same if Golovkin can't get Cotto or anyone at middleweight. I will say that Ward can retire now and have had a very respectable career. Borderline Hall of Fame. Could we say the same about the older Golovkin? Not a chance.

Roger Tilleman scored it 9 rounds to 3 for Kessler :lol1: Adelaide Byrd scored 10-2 Froch in the second fight. :trink26: He was the infamous ref who warned Robin Reid for punching Ottke in the face. A myth. You should know better, but you don't because it doesn't fit your foul-proven agenda. His scorecard was already written before the fight began. Which makes Byrd's the same or...??? Like I said, do a poll and you'll get many people who felt Froch won the first fight. Not a single credible person believes Kessler won the second. A lot had it a Draw though or 7-5 ie razorthin.

If I was ggg I would wait until WBC force the fight with cotto or he vacates, win the lineal title and then go up and face a smw and call out ward whilst he is still on his lay off That way it looks like ward is ducking him and Bernard Hopkins record of 20 mw defences will remain intact

Ward and Froch are clearly Kessler's biggest fights. Everyone knows that. You're trying to save face under this fairy tale that Kessler is some brave warrior. We where talking about Money which is the reason you think Kessler would come back. You where proved wrong (again). Froch beat Kessler twice on many people's cards. Your Card is not many Cards. Not even if you score it 100 times. The overwhelming majority here on boxingscene had Kessler winning. Stop repeating Froch's BS. You are looking more and more foolish. The only reason the first fight was close was because Froch flew in late due to the volcanic ash cloud and the judges were already in the Sauerland's back pocket. Source for that please. Froch showed who was better by clearly winning the rematch. It's one all. Why does that mean so much to you that Froch is 1-1 against a guy you claim is a secondrater? I don't get it. There are still plenty of fights at 168 for Ward which I want to see. 168 is a very talent-laden division especially with some new blood coming up. Ward has fought no live body in 3 years and now there's new blood in the division. Why will you not give GGG the same latitude as you give Ward? Why not have him waiting 3 years in the division fighting Cans without seeking better challengers by going up? Why the double standard? Ward hasn't fought in a while due to inactivity, if he'd been fighting the kind of pointless fights Golovkin has been fighting then I'd probably be urging him to move up now. He hasn't fought anyone in .... you know..... how many years was it? 160 is a ghost town. I understand Golovkin staying there if he's going to get the Cotto fight or fight for another belt but other than that, what's the point? Prestige? Unifications? Why did Ward stay after cleaning out? I don't want to see more Murrays and Rubios. But you want to see more Rodriguez's and Sartisons while Ward Waits for something that might never happen? Why the double standard? Ward-Golovkin should happen next year. I want that and most true boxing fans want that Yes.

I know it was. I was delayed myself for the fight - a fight I was sitting on press row for, where pretty much everyone thought Kessler had won. The excuse wasn't the ash cloud, it was that he thought the fight was off meaning he gained a couple of pounds and had to take it off. Well the same happened to Kessler? There was no difference. Hand picked :lol1: please. You don't even believe that yourself. There was no outrageous scorecards in that fight. Froch clearly won the first 3 in their second fight. After that, it was an even fight all the way to the end. I had it 7-5 Froch. Some people had it a draw, but I felt Froch was a deserved winner. However, Kessler was clearly not the same as he was in 2010. So he didn't prove he was the better guy overall at all. They should have a 3rd fight. Roger Tilleman scored it 9 rounds to 3 for Kessler :lol1: He was the infamous ref who warned Robin Reid for punching Ottke in the face. His scorecard was already written before the fight began. Like I said, do a poll and you'll get many people who felt Froch won the first fight. Not a single credible person believes Kessler won the second.

The Volcanic Ash Cloud was an actual thing. It's not an excuse. People other than Froch were aware of this. Either way, Froch probably wasn't going to get the decision on a Sauerland card where the judges were handpicked. I'm pretty sure one of them was from Reid-Ottke so we know what was going on there. The first fight was close and could have gone either way. I had Froch winning 7-5. A lot of people had Froch winning too. Froch clearly won the second fight. He pissed the first six rounds or so. He let Kessler back into it a bit late on but it was a clear victory. Not a single soul thinks Kessler won that fight. I know it was. I was delayed myself for the fight - a fight I was sitting on press row for, where pretty much everyone thought Kessler had won. The excuse wasn't the ash cloud, it was that he thought the fight was off meaning he gained a couple of pounds and had to take it off. Well the same happened to Kessler? There was no difference. Hand picked :lol1: please. You don't even believe that yourself. There was no outrageous scorecards in that fight. Froch clearly won the first 3 in their second fight. After that, it was an even fight all the way to the end. I had it 7-5 Froch. Some people had it a draw, but I felt Froch was a deserved winner. However, Kessler was clearly not the same as he was in 2010. So he didn't prove he was the better guy overall at all. They should have a 3rd fight.

:lol1: :lol1: This is some bs if I ever heard it. Froch lost to kessler on most people's scorecard, except yours it seems. Both fights were close, in fact, equally close - the scorecards were identical almost. The excuse with Froch is pathetic really. You're just regurgitating what Froch has said. I take it, you also believe Froch lost to Ward because his wife were back in UK for the fight or whatever his excuse was for that loss. Maybe Kessler had something wrong in the second fight. He just doesn't give excuses. I suggest you do the same, it's more than lame. The Volcanic Ash Cloud was an actual thing. It's not an excuse. People other than Froch were aware of this. Either way, Froch probably wasn't going to get the decision on a Sauerland card where the judges were handpicked. I'm pretty sure one of them was from Reid-Ottke so we know what was going on there. The first fight was close and could have gone either way. I had Froch winning 7-5. A lot of people had Froch winning too. Froch clearly won the second fight. He pissed the first six rounds or so. He let Kessler back into it a bit late on but it was a clear victory. Not a single soul thinks Kessler won that fight.

Froch beat Kessler twice on many people's cards. The only reason the first fight was close was because Froch flew in late due to the volcanic ash cloud and the judges were already in the Sauerland's back pocket. Froch showed who was better by clearly winning the rematch :lol1: :lol1: This is some bs if I ever heard it. Froch lost to kessler on most people's scorecard, except yours it seems. Both fights were close, in fact, equally close - the scorecards were identical almost. The excuse with Froch is pathetic really. You're just regurgitating what Froch has said. I take it, you also believe Froch lost to Ward because his wife were back in UK for the fight or whatever his excuse was for that loss. Maybe Kessler had something wrong in the second fight. He just doesn't give excuses. I suggest you do the same, it's more than lame.

Not much. The difference would be the revenge from the US (Ward) or UK. That would be a fairly big difference. Add to that the split Kessler would get. Do I really need to keep writing this to make you understand? Please dont ask me to do it a third time. Ward and Froch are clearly Kessler's biggest fights. Everyone knows that. You're trying to save face under this fairy tale that Kessler is some brave warrior. That's your opinion. Froch has a close win and a clear loss against this secondrater. Froch's best work. Froch beat Kessler twice on many people's cards. The only reason the first fight was close was because Froch flew in late due to the volcanic ash cloud and the judges were already in the Sauerland's back pocket. Froch showed who was better by clearly winning the rematch. Now can we get back to the topic? Ward has been a champ for 5-6 years in the same division which was cleaned out 3 years ago. When should he move up? What about GGG? Should he move up now or wait untill 3 years after he has cleaned out MW? Do they go by the same standard or is GGG from another World? There are still plenty of fights at 168 for Ward which I want to see. 168 is a very talent-laden division especially with some new blood coming up. Ward hasn't fought in a while due to inactivity, if he'd been fighting the kind of pointless fights Golovkin has been fighting then I'd probably be urging him to move up now. 160 is a ghost town. I understand Golovkin staying there if he's going to get the Cotto fight or fight for another belt but other than that, what's the point? I don't want to see more Murrays and Rubios. Ward-Golovkin should happen next year. I want that and most true boxing fans want that

There is no double standard. Ward fans want GGG to move up to see the best fight in boxing after May 3. GGG fans want Ward to move up so GGG doesn't have to face him when he moves up. I see right through guys. Stop it!!! Seriously. People resort to shamelessly **** logic in order to defame Ward and uplift GGG.

I love how everyone seems to have an opinion based on a personal agenda. So I am going to create my own :D I see it like this: Ward and Golovkin will meet in the ring when the time is right for both of them. My own agenda is this. When will GGG start fighting more often? He has a total of 66 rounds in this Decade while Ward has 70 in. Time for GGG to step up the pace!

Kessler-Ward in Denmark would do much better business than either fight against DeGale or Groves. Kessler knows that and that's why he wants those fights. Not much. The difference would be the revenge from the US (Ward) or UK. That would be a fairly big difference. Add to that the split Kessler would get. Do I really need to keep writing this to make you understand? Please dont ask me to do it a third time. A "true warrior" would want to show that he's actually better than the second tier fighters in the division. Kessler's career has shown that he has never been a top tier fighter. The fear is that he'd get his arse kicked by a young guy like DeGale and ruin his overrated legacy. That's your opinion. Froch has a close win and a clear loss against this secondrater. Froch's best work. Now can we get back to the topic? Ward has been a champ for 5-6 years in the same division which was cleaned out 3 years ago. When should he move up? What about GGG? Should he move up now or wait untill 3 years after he has cleaned out MW? Do they go by the same standard or is GGG from another World?

Ward brings no money and would want an insane split to fight Kessler. Against the brits, they'd happily give Kessler the lions share for the chance to get his name on their weak resumees. Kessler-Ward in Denmark would do much better business than either fight against DeGale or Groves. Kessler knows that and that's why he wants those fights. A "true warrior" would want to show that he's actually better than the second tier fighters in the division. Kessler's career has shown that he has never been a top tier fighter. The fear is that he'd get his arse kicked by a young guy like DeGale and ruin his overrated legacy.

How exactly would he get more against DeGale than he would against Ward? Ward and Froch are the two biggest fights in his division that bring the most money. He wants those fights or nothing. True warrior? Lol....more like a crybaby who threw his toys out the pram. Ward brings no money and would want an insane split to fight Kessler. Against the brits, they'd happily give Kessler the lions share for the chance to get his name on their weak resumees.

He's clearly get more against those brits. Just quit posting. You haven't got the sligthest idea what you are talking about. How exactly would he get more against DeGale than he would against Ward? Ward and Froch are the two biggest fights in his division that bring the most money. He wants those fights or nothing. True warrior? Lol....more like a crybaby who threw his toys out the pram.