For example what if Bradley wanted to challenge Miguel Cotto for the MW championship, why is it required that Bradley hit 155lbs upwards instead of his natural weight of 147lbs?
What if a Bradley feels he can beat Cotto at his natural weight of 147lbs, and why cant he challenge where he feels hes at his best weight?
If he won Bradley would still be king of the middleweight divsion despite not being the ring weight.
Another example is Mayweather, his natural fighting weight is 147lbs and a small one at that. But people seem to assume he cant beat champions in heavier divisions just because hes smaller.
Wrong, this man is fully capable of beating MW;s and SMWs because of his skillset, smarts and sheer talent.
I think there is too much emphasis on weight divisions, sure weight helps but it doesnt mean everything.
Its funny how you can have guys like Miguel Cotto who claim to be champions yet they would lose to welterweights.
Its like Roy jones beating John Ruiz, why did he need to put on 30 pounds of muscle to fight this guy? Roy at LHW would have beaten Ruiz with ease.
The way I thought it was is if a fighter at 147 wants to fight somebody in the 154 division, he could be able to come in weighing anything in between 147-154. I.e, anything as long as it is above welter, below jr. middle...therefore anything other than this would not be honouring the weight division that that particular title/ranking is held in. I get what some of you are saying though and there are few good points here, but I believe weight classes should be honoured.
This is what I mean, people like you assume lighter fighters will always lose to heavier fighters
Case and point with Pacquiao vs Magarito, probably a 15lbs to 20lbs difference between the 2 fighters. And look what happened.
Had Pacquiao gained 6lbs of muscle and weighed 150, he would have been worse not better.
Do you also think a welterweight Mayweather would get destroyed by Cotto just because Cotto is suddenly a MW?
A 147lbs Mayweather would beat a MW Cotto and MW Sergio Martinez
Does this mean hes not really the MW champion just because he doesnt weigh the same?
As I said weight is important but SKILL is more important
Did you ever consider if guys like Pacquiao and Mayweather moved to 160lbs they would be inferior fighters compared to how they were at 147lbs? Because the added weight is not suited to their bodies.
Canelo could have been 30lbs heavier than Mayweather and still got outclassed. Weight means nothing if youre missing the entire fight.
Most states regulate the allowable weight difference (at the time of the weigh-in) between the fighters. In Florida for example, a 147 pound fighter could not fight a 160 pound fighter, because regulations only allow for a 12 pound maximum spread. Different states have different rules......
(2)***8195;The commission shall establish by rule the acceptable difference in weight between participants; however, the maximum difference in weight in boxing matches shall not exceed 12 pounds, except matches in the cruiserweight and heavyweight classes and exhibitions held solely for training purposes.I did not know about that rule so I was wrong and I agree with the thread starter that new rules like that are stupid. Henry Armstrong couldn't have accomplished winning the featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titles and holding all three titles at the same time with a stupid rule like that in place.
I was wondering the same when Marquez fought Mayweather and Bradley. It's like fighters don't analyze the situation properly and think they should bulk up simply because they're moving up.
Sorry about my math being off but I just woke up. If Canelo gained a full 15 pounds after weighing in at 152 then he would weight 167 on fight night compared to about 150 for Mayweather on fight night. That's a large 17 pound weight edge for Canelo but a long way from a 30 pound weight edge. No matter how much weight Canelo gained after the weigh in making 152 probably weakened him and hurt his performance.
This is what I mean, people like you assume lighter fighters will always lose to heavier fighters
Case and point with Pacquiao vs Magarito, probably a 15lbs to 20lbs difference between the 2 fighters. And look what happened.
Had Pacquiao gained 6lbs of muscle and weighed 150, he would have been worse not better.
Do you also think a welterweight Mayweather would get destroyed by Cotto just because Cotto is suddenly a MW?
A 147lbs Mayweather would beat a MW Cotto and MW Sergio Martinez
Does this mean hes not really the MW champion just because he doesnt weigh the same?
As I said weight is important but SKILL is more important
Did you ever consider if guys like Pacquiao and Mayweather moved to 160lbs they would be inferior fighters compared to how they were at 147lbs? Because the added weight is not suited to their bodies.
Canelo could have been 30lbs heavier than Mayweather and still got outclassed. Weight means nothing if youre missing the entire fight.
I agree with everything you said except the part about Canelo could have been 30 pounds heavier than Mayweather. Mayweather weighs about 150 on fight night. Canelo would need to weigh 180 pounds on fight night to outweigh Floyd be 30 pounds. Canelo weighed in at 152 pounds so it would be impossible for him to gain 28 pounds of weight in 30 hours. He might have gained 15 pounds and outweighed Mayweather 168 to 150. That would be possible.
He doesn't have to, he can come in at whatever weight he wants too. Manny fight for his Jr mw title only weighing 144 pounds Lol.
True. You just have to come in under the specified limit for the division you are fighting in.
A lot of the time, what happens is that the lighter guy comes in heavier because he doesn't need to cut weight the way he does in a lower division.
Other times he will gain weight deliberately by increasing calories and lifting weights because he figures that will give him more power and a better chance of beating the bigger guy.
They don't have to gain weight. I don't know where you heard that but it's not true. Bradley can fight Cotto at 147 pounds or 139 pounds or 133 pounds or whatever weight he chooses and there is no rule against that. If the weight difference is too extreme the boxing commission might look into it but there is no rule that says a fighter must weigh enough to be in the same weight class as his opponent. Bob Fitzsimmons won the world heavyweight title at 165 pounds and 165 pounds ain't no heavyweight.
Most states regulate the allowable weight difference (at the time of the weigh-in) between the fighters. In Florida for example, a 147 pound fighter could not fight a 160 pound fighter, because regulations only allow for a 12 pound maximum spread. Different states have different rules......
(2)***8195;The commission shall establish by rule the acceptable difference in weight between participants; however, the maximum difference in weight in boxing matches shall not exceed 12 pounds, except matches in the cruiserweight and heavyweight classes and exhibitions held solely for training purposes.
IMO, weight classes are extremely overrated. Only in boxing will you see someone call a 154 pounder too big for a 147 pounder lol. It's ridiculous. I'm 175 right now and I have beaten 220+ HWs to an inch of their life in the streets. I once beat a 6'6 NFL linebacker and I'm just 5'7-5-8. The guy was like 260, I ran thru him like a freight train. Got jailed for battery and assault.
To me weight and size are overrated.
floyd would tire out almost instantly in a klitschko clinch. you clearly have no idea how large and strong that man is.
HW have a hard time reaching klitschko's chin. these are guys with 75-80 inches of reach, and well over six feet.
one of the greatest fighters of all time, henry armstrong, used to weigh in the mid 130's for his welterweight title fights.
he held world championships in three weight classes at once! at once! this is pre junior divisions, too. 126, 135, and 147.
imagine that, for a second.
I believe Mayweather would beat Super Middleweights. Whether an opponent is 147 or 168 he still won't be able to hit Floyd. In fact they will be slower, making it easier for Floyd avoid punches.
stupid, stupid logic. why not have a minimum weight fight klitschko next? he's faster that floyd by a long shot.
floyd woud get freaking killed by carl froch, and froch is not that good. nevermind klitschko, a hall of fame level HW who is close to a foot taller than floyd, and has close to 100 lbs on him.
you've clearly, clearly never boxed.
they shouldn't "add weight." that's really something you only see in a younger fighter.
that's really not what they do. sure, they can train some to build muscle, but the kind of muscle that you build will generally tire over the course of a 12 round boxing match.
what they often do is lose less weight. bradley comes into camp well over the middleweight limit. at 140 and 147, he likely has to weaken himself / lose muscle through diet. he doesn't have to do that for a fight at 154 or 160.
What are you some sort of idiot? Boxing is a blood sport and aside of skill, weight is the single most important factor.
Weight limits are there to protect the fighters...
A highly skilled but light boxer can be schooled by a bummier boxer simply because he is heftier.
Oscar De La Hoya might have been a better boxer than Mike Tyson..
But everybody knows that Mike Tyson would have obliterated Oscar De La Hoya.
I wonder why?
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Not sure if i even agree with that
I'm not mentioning the Algieri fight as an example when Algieri was going up in weight you dumbass. You can't be drained going up in weight. I was mentioning the other more obvious ones like cotto, dlh and margarito
so Pac vs DLH fought at catchweight ? when was this? genius
was it Pac who challenges DLH to a welterweight fight or was it the other way around?
just for the sake of argument if DLH was drained then what was Pac then bloated?
did DLH quit in his stool due to exhaustion brought about by his being drained at the weight, was DLH not able to answer the bell in the 9th round because he was so tired and weak to stand due to weight drained
tell me genius
yeah like in cris algierri's case Pac drained chris from 140lbs to 144lbs catchweight
I'm not mentioning the Algieri fight as an example when Algieri was going up in weight you dumbass. You can't be drained going up in weight. I was mentioning the other more obvious ones like cotto, dlh and margarito
I believe Mayweather would beat Super Middleweights. Whether an opponent is 147 or 168 he still won't be able to hit Floyd. In fact they will be slower, making it easier for Floyd avoid punches.
Yeah im sure that floyd would school ward :trink26:
I believe Mayweather would beat Super Middleweights. Whether an opponent is 147 or 168 he still won't be able to hit Floyd. In fact they will be slower, making it easier for Floyd avoid punches.
Weight means something when one guy is drained as *****. Don't use pacquiao as examples of fighting heavier guys when he imposed catchweights. The same could maybe be said to an extent for canelo
yeah like in cris algierri's case Pac drained chris from 140lbs to 144lbs catchweight