All the American Heavies are playing Football/Basketball

I learned something today.. I learned that the only reason the US were obliterated from boxing was because all the Mike Tyson's (5'10"), Joe Fraziers (5'11"), Muhammad Ali's (6'3"), Joe Louis's (6'1") etc are now professional basketballers. Unbelievable! The same mother ****ers who try to promote Joe Frazier as a "great champion" are trying to sell this ****! Frazier failed at every damn athletic event and he and Muhammad were plodding overweights when they fought. And these guys were the BEST you supposedly produced? Holyfield and Tyson were the best champs you'se ever produced and they were BOTH pedigreed boxers. Michael Grant was a true 3 sport star athlete, bigger and stronger than Wilder and he failed at top level! That was the BEST cross over athlete you ever had. Look what Arreola did to Seth Mitchell, THERE'S ya football player! I remember how much you guys were rubbishing him for no pedigree and now this? Unbelievable!

David Haye used to be a male model It's not coincidence that when he turned to boxing, he had success. All of our athletic big men are just too dishy to become boxers.

Didn't a European based basket ball team just defeat Lebron James in the finals of the NBA championship? imagine if those superior European basketball players turned pro in Boxing. No, a team whose 2 best players are American beat Lebron for the NBA championship. There's like 2 Europeans on the team. There are as many South Americans on the team as Europeans. Stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

east euro takeover, doe. i am the original champion of this topic. wilder just so happens to be the only elite athlete who leaves college basketball for boxing and has success? please. wilder is not unique. you guys just aren't familiar with how big, strong, and fast the men in the NFL, NBA, and collegiate football and basketball are. lebron is 40 lbs bigger than wilder, faster, taller, stronger, and a much more coordinated athlete. you would not think he was real if he were a boxer. we are all wilder. bomb squad.

If Wilder fights regularly on NBC the popularity of boxing would go way up.

Wlad woyld wreck any groomed nfl or basketball player.

Wilder has just proven what I've been saying for years, before he was even around. This is what happens when you put an athlete in boxing. This is now a fact. Wilder is a big man but has insane reflexes, funny thing is Stiverne himself was a football player, played at MSU. Guys like these are a dime a dozen, it's unfortunate certain circumstances kept Wilder from playing football/bball and forced him to box. And the NEW!!! Btw, can't believe people thought Wilder had bad stamina, he was a basketball player. I agree he looks very athletic and he is not an elite athlete like James or Haward,

damn all that..anyone watching this football game???? fvcking classic

There used to be a lot more American heavyweights. Look it up. I know. 33% percents should be enough to dominate.

Don't bother matter man, the guys subscribing to that ridiculous theory are honestly stupid. I don't even mean that as a personal attack, it's just the reality of the matter. They refuse to believe that other countries can match them in athletics, they truly believe they're superior. They lack any humility and need to find some pathetic excuse to explain why they're not dominant anymore. That's GOSPEL bro! End of thread

So jumping on a box makes him a great athlete? I bet that guy can't even run a mile because he's terrified that he'll burn his muscle. A real athlete would never be 6'5 and 290lbs, thats grossly overweight and the result of steroid use since teenage years. are you saying that box jumping 60 inches isn't athletic? Have you ever done box jumps before?

Go on deontay Wilder's record on BOXREC. HE'S RANKED 3/1072 IN THE WORLD. 1/350 IN THE USA. That means ABOUT 33 FOCKIN PERCENTS of the professional heavyweight fighters in the world are AMERICANS. Yet ignorants are claiming they lack of big guys in boxing. :dance::dance: :usa2::bottle: There used to be a lot more American heavyweights. Look it up.

So you're lying to yourself and believing that there are just as many American heavyweights today as ever with as much talent as ever? Is that seriously what you're saying? Because you're either trolling or completely ignorant if that's your argument. Go on deontay Wilder's record on BOXREC. HE'S RANKED 3/1072 IN THE WORLD. 1/350 IN THE USA. That means ABOUT 33 FOCKIN PERCENTS of the professional heavyweight fighters in the world are AMERICANS. Yet ignorants are claiming they lack of big guys in boxing. :dance::dance: :usa2::bottle:

NFL players are awful athletes, they would make terrible Boxers. NBA isn't much better, the play is stopped every 10 seconds for penalties or timeouts. Some but not all JJ Watt is the best athlete in the NFL imo This guy is 6'5" and weights 289 pounds

The Klitschko's and Lennox Lewis would beat any American boxer that ever lived, thats a fact. Athletes evolve and these guys are super tall athletes with huge reach, skill, cardio and power. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2618868/lewis-tyson-ko-o.gif So you're trolling and ignoring the argument. Okay, good to know.

NFL players are awful athletes, they would make terrible Boxers. NBA isn't much better, the play is stopped every 10 seconds for penalties or timeouts. So you're lying to yourself and believing that there are just as many American heavyweights today as ever with as much talent as ever? Is that seriously what you're saying? Because you're either trolling or completely ignorant if that's your argument.

bojangles1987, if your an outstanding boxer it doesn't mean you'll be an outstanding Football or Basketball player. Only a small few players are good enough to make the NBA or NFL, anybody can turn professional in boxing. I think with the collapse of the Soviet union, there was a huge intake of talent which impact the Heavyweight division. If the Klitschko brothers didn't arrive and if the likes of Shannon Briggs or Monte Barrett held the titles the Klitschko brothers hold/held and dominated, there wouldn't be any talk about Heavyweight boxers going to the NBA or NFL. If Briggs or Barrett dominated with no eastern Europeans then people wouldn't say the US Heavyweight scene has declined. It's not just about who makes it into the NBA or NFL. It's about the thousands of kids who spent the childhoods they once spent in boxing gyms playing those sports because of how popular they are. Again, this is something none of the people arguing this understand. Football and basketball are huge. Thousands of kids play in high school, thousands play in college. A huge number of these kids have no chance to play professionally, but they play at the amateur level because American schools are f*cking retarded and its the best chance they have to pay for college. These are thousands of kids playing sports who never set foot in a boxing gym, where they used to. Football and basketball culture take root at very early ages. Once again, these are a lot of the kids who used to end up in boxing gyms. I couldn't even tell you where a boxing gym is around me. Again, you can just look at how few boxers America has now compared to before. There are a lot less American boxers with a lot less talent, do you people seriously think this is a coincidence? It's f*cking absurd, you're wrong. And I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong with your last paragraph. We'd still be talking about the NBA and NFL because we'd see how much Briggs or Barrett or any other HW of the 2000s have f*cking sucked compared to the greats we used to produce. The same way Wilder f*cking sucks compared to them, but he's the best we have.

But that sport doesn't tend to attract big men to the same extent that basketball and American football do. And?? I mean, in the 70s and 80s all the big men were boxing and the NBA was full of 5 ft guys?? The funny thing is even the NBA is getting invaded by euro players ROFL. What's the excuse here? But all the NBA talent are going to the **** industry doe...

Again, none of those countries ruled heavyweight boxing for a century then suddenly stopped producing champions. Because boxing was a western sport, mainly in the US. Professional boxing started in eastern europe after the end of the cold war. I mean in the 90s. In the 70s 80s most heavies were americans with few brits and europeans that you can add.

Wilder has just proven what I've been saying for years, before he was even around. This is what happens when you put an athlete in boxing. This is now a fact. Wilder is a big man but has insane reflexes, funny thing is Stiverne himself was a football player, played at MSU. Guys like these are a dime a dozen, it's unfortunate certain circumstances kept Wilder from playing football/bball and forced him to box. And the NEW!!! Btw, can't believe people thought Wilder had bad stamina, he was a basketball player. Props to Wilder he beat a tough guy. But I'm not convinced about him being the Real Deal. He's a freak (athletic as you mean) but I think he's fragile. Stiverne is a tough and strong fighter, but he didn't have the style to beat Wilder. Stiverne is a tight, patient, flat footed, strong counterpuncher. That's OK and smart against Arreola. But if a 6.8 ft guy is jabbing your ears off. That's an horrible style/game plan. Stiverne has no head movement and no footwork. I knew he only had a puncher chance when I watched Stiverne vs Ray Austin. Austin was ridiculously outboxing Stiverne until the 7th round where Stiverne landed a perfect punch that ended the fight. I think Wilder will sign few good wins and then will get knocked the **** out. It seems very hard to land clean on that small head but once it happens for real, it will crack. The Haitian never landed clean. Wilder power is really impressive tough, he's a danger for any fighter, including Klit.