PPV Question..

Thanks for taking the time to give a concise answer. I can see how it could be an "issue" for the matchmakers, but sadly it also shows how fighters are nothing more than pawns at that level. I know boxing has always had that element, but never this widespread or blatant. It honestly hasn't been that long since fighters have been given the chance to actually see the books, to begin with. Instead of having fighter asking "how high" when the promoter says "jump", fighters are now demanding that they get some say in the decision.

Good to see people are getting smart with their money! Let's see the Floyd-Amir Khan buys.

I guess now PPV numbers don't matter to pacquaio fans. PPV displays to the world that interest is heavy with a fighter, it's these same people who say numbers dont matter, but when floyd only did 900,000, they jumped all over him.

Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this.exactly..people say i am a manny hater yet i order all of his fights..smh I go around linking Floyd streams to everyone just to starve his family "peeleft: well you are doing a terrible job...

"PPV numbers" aren't a part of a fighter's skillset; until recently, they've simply been the most cogent and objective vehicle to determine financial value. If business is to be done between two separate entities, there needs to be a way to determine who gets what. Not really layman's terms, but think of a business merger: Company AC has $400m in the bank and brings in $50m each year. Company DC has $300m in the bank and brings in $20m each year. If they were to form Company ACDC, how would the interest between Company AC and Company DC be split in the new company ($700m in the bank and bringing in $80m per year)? You look at what each side has and what each side is expected to bring going forward and you determin {}% is due to Company AC, while % is due to Company DC, therefore the interest in the new company is split accordingly. Reality is never that cut-and-dry, but that's the clearest example I could think of. In boxing the concept is similar: Fighter X brings in $250k at his gates and does 750k homes on TV. Fighter Y brings in $2m at his gates and does 1.5m homes on TV. If Fighter X and Fighter Y fight, Fighter Y would expect that the split on the fight recognizes the difference in what he's bringing to the table compared to Fighter X. If Fighter X insists on splitting things even, Fighter Y is rightfully inclined to decline (Y does 2:1 in terms of homes, and 8:1 in terms of the gate). Other factors could complicate the negotiations (Fighter X paying up for the fight), but that's the root example. How is the prize money split up between two prize fighters. The rest of the talk is fan passion. Thanks for taking the time to give a concise answer. I can see how it could be an "issue" for the matchmakers, but sadly it also shows how fighters are nothing more than pawns at that level. I know boxing has always had that element, but never this widespread or blatant.

ppv numbers can be used as a bargaining chip but beyond the world of business, it doesnt mean ****. i just want to see the best fight the best. ive been pretty consistent about that

Why do so many posters seem to hold "PPV Numbers" as part of a fighters skill set? I have seen pages of arguments between posters, without even a mention of the respective fight that the views relate to!!! Could someone explain why? This is a genuine question, because we make nothing as fans, but people still use PPV as a reason for fights not to be made due to popularity, rather than contention. "PPV numbers" aren't a part of a fighter's skillset; until recently, they've simply been the most cogent and objective vehicle to determine financial value. If business is to be done between two separate entities, there needs to be a way to determine who gets what. Not really layman's terms, but think of a business merger: Company AC has $400m in the bank and brings in $50m each year. Company DC has $300m in the bank and brings in $20m each year. If they were to form Company ACDC, how would the interest between Company AC and Company DC be split in the new company ($700m in the bank and bringing in $80m per year)? You look at what each side has and what each side is expected to bring going forward and you determin {}% is due to Company AC, while % is due to Company DC, therefore the interest in the new company is split accordingly. Reality is never that cut-and-dry, but that's the clearest example I could think of. In boxing the concept is similar: Fighter X brings in $250k at his gates and does 750k homes on TV. Fighter Y brings in $2m at his gates and does 1.5m homes on TV. If Fighter X and Fighter Y fight, Fighter Y would expect that the split on the fight recognizes the difference in what he's bringing to the table compared to Fighter X. If Fighter X insists on splitting things even, Fighter Y is rightfully inclined to decline (Y does 2:1 in terms of homes, and 8:1 in terms of the gate). Other factors could complicate the negotiations (Fighter X paying up for the fight), but that's the root example. How is the prize money split up between two prize fighters. The rest of the talk is fan passion.

Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this. I go around linking Floyd streams to everyone just to starve his family "peeleft:

Most of the people on this site talk about ppv numbers.. then when the fight comes around they don't even buy it. They brag about streaming it. Why need enemies when you have fans like this.

It's the same **** as sales in Hip-Hop. Just because someone sells more doesn't mean they are better. PPV sales shouldn't even matter to a boxing fan. Is it nice to know? Yes, I'm always interested in who sold what. Should it be used in an argument? No.

OK BD, thanks for the up. So basically it started as an interesting topic, but morphed into a p***ing contest :sigh1: Yes it has. And Larry's post is spot on. As the discussion regarding who will get the May and Sept dates has been a hot topic, one of the points Floyd fans make as a reason Floyd will get dates is his PPv sales reltive to Cotto/Canelo and how many their fight might sell. Inevitably, a poster will come along and just go with "ppv sales don"t matter" etc etc because they really don't want to hear anything positive about Floyd and also want him off the biggest dates in the year, ironically because they want to see if he would sell the same number of PPV's if he didn't fight on a Mexican holiday weekend. So yeah, as with everything good on NSB, sometimes all of us as posters, and I am as guilty as anyone, turn it into a weapon against the opposition and then it devolves into a pissing contest and a flame war. I actually like discussing the business side of the sport. If other don't, cool with me.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, some great opinions here.

ALlow me to answer. Historically on NSB, PPV sales were used as a barometer of which fighter was the bigger star-Manny or Floyd. As the debate became more and more heated, bloggers started checking the real statistics since each side was posting a lot of made up BS. Once it was determined through the actual numbers that Floyd sold more, PPV sales were no longer a topic that boxing fans could discuss. Since Manny was #2, the mantra of Manny fans and Floyd detractors became "PPV sales don't matter" and "real fans do not discuss ppv sales". Whenever a Floyd or Manny fight occurs now, some of the diehard fans and/or trolls on each side create threads asking for the PPV numbers to be released so they can post a string of negative comments and celebrate the ppv flopping. If said PPV does perform well, you will see plenty of posts from the other side about the number being fake. If the ppv flops, you will see rejoicing from the other side. Its petty, yes. It has no bearing on a fighter's skillset or his accomplishments. But for a very long time here on NSB ppv sales were a hot discussion topic and central in the never ending war between Floyd and Pac fans. OK BD, thanks for the up. So basically it started as an interesting topic, but morphed into a p***ing contest :sigh1:

Because it was a huge deal when Manny was selling high ppv's..once his dropped all the sudden it was no big deal..and then you have Canelo wanting the May and Sept dates and now it is a huge deal...But a low ppv by Floyd is anything under a million..So in all honesty it all revolves around Floyd...700k is a fail for him but ppv's do not matter for anyone else..but he has himself to blame as he calls himself "money" and claims to be the "cash cow"...but it is funny to watch posters flip flop

^ One of the worst offenders Break out the pie charts

Why do so many posters seem to hold "PPV Numbers" as part of a fighters skill set? I have seen pages of arguments between posters, without even a mention of the respective fight that the views relate to!!! Could someone explain why? This is a genuine question, because we make nothing as fans, but people still use PPV as a reason for fights not to be made due to popularity, rather than contention. ALlow me to answer. Historically on NSB, PPV sales were used as a barometer of which fighter was the bigger star-Manny or Floyd. As the debate became more and more heated, bloggers started checking the real statistics since each side was posting a lot of made up BS. Once it was determined through the actual numbers that Floyd sold more, PPV sales were no longer a topic that boxing fans could discuss. Since Manny was #2, the mantra of Manny fans and Floyd detractors became "PPV sales don't matter" and "real fans do not discuss ppv sales". Whenever a Floyd or Manny fight occurs now, some of the diehard fans and/or trolls on each side create threads asking for the PPV numbers to be released so they can post a string of negative comments and celebrate the ppv flopping. If said PPV does perform well, you will see plenty of posts from the other side about the number being fake. If the ppv flops, you will see rejoicing from the other side. Its petty, yes. It has no bearing on a fighter's skillset or his accomplishments. But for a very long time here on NSB ppv sales were a hot discussion topic and central in the never ending war between Floyd and Pac fans.

Why do so many posters seem to hold "PPV Numbers" as part of a fighters skill set? I have seen pages of arguments between posters, without even a mention of the respective fight that the views relate to!!! Could someone explain why? This is a genuine question, because we make nothing as fans, but people still use PPV as a reason for fights not to be made due to popularity, rather than contention. because we like to see boxer's wager their huge fan bases against each other like gambling. It's the same reason why you wouldn't want to see the best poker player, who is an unknown, wager little money against the other great poker player, very famous, who has everything to lose. I say fvck ppv, I know and everyone know's what fights would be the best to make

I think it's just a basic monkey-see-monkey-do thing. At some point someone mentioned higher PPV numbers just to explain why fighter A was likely to pick fighter B, it turned into an argument, and now you have obvious closet homos who post infographics about how much "their boy" (who doesn't know they exist) makes.