COMMENTS THREAD FOR: Bob Arum's Stadium in Las Vegas: Plans Underway?

Yahoo Sports reported yesterday that MGM Grand could build a 30,000 seat temporary stadium to compete with Jerry Jones' bid to host the super fight in Dallas. I've always wondered why people find building the stadium so hard to believe when Las Vegas builds pyramids and Eiffel towers in just a few months. It only took Las Vegas a mere 3 months to build the Colosseum at Caesar's Palace. The most expensive entertainment venue/arena/theater in all of Las Vegas. This is a permanent, decadent and luxurious 4500 seat arena they built for Celine Dion concerts. I don't understand why people think it is so far fetched that they can't put up some bleachers and port a pottys for the biggest fight in history. Well, its just a repeat of old history and the constant BS spewed by Arum. He is the ultimate con-man and a down-right filthy snake"peeleft:

I have built entire houses by myself in 1-2 days so I know it is isn't impossible. Just requires a lot of focus and determination. 1 You built an entire house by yourself in a day? He did and here it is.... http://www.fighterpilotuniversity.com/files/8313/0617/6535/outhouse1.jpg A sh1thouse. Just like him.

All you are doing is giving an opinion. Which is cool. But the fact remains that an outdoor stadium is NOT completely imaginary as you put it the other day. Where did I say NO fight should be held in a temporary stadium. I said this fight being in anything other than a real location would be terrible and it's not going to happen. Floyd would never agree to fight in the parking lot of MGM Grand lol.

Floyd is fighting at the MGM Grand and no where else. Any talk of putting Mayweather/Pacquaio in a stadium is nonsense. Any talk of hosting it anywhere except Las Vegas is nonsense. If this fight takes place, it will bring in $1 to $2 billion and maybe more in revenue to the city of Las Vegas during fight week alone. If necessary, several of the casinos would join together to offer a ridiculous site fee to make sure the fight is held in Las Vegas because every one of them would make more money in that one week than they usually do in six months. If the fight happens at all, it will take place in Las Vegas. 1 to 2 billion? That's a difference of about one billion. I'm not saying Vegas won't make a killing if the fight is on the strip, but that's quite a ball park figure you've estimated there. How exactly did you come up with a billion dollar difference in your estimate?

Can fights be held in temporary stadiums? Yes. Should be the biggest fight of all time be held in a temporary venue? No. MGM holds 16-18k. You are saying make it a temporary because it makes more money than 16k... then make in Dallas. The money they make off of concessions alone with put to shame whatever a temp venue in Vegas can bring. You expect this temporary piece of sh*t to have a victoria's secret and 5 star restaurants like Jerry World? Vegas can just add the money to build the stadium to the site fee to host the fight. It's going to come down to MGM or Dallas and that's it. They can make more from the gate and concessions with 100k people going or an insanely high fee from Vegas that even Jerry can't match. If someone went to Floyd and told him there are a making a circus tent just for Floyd. It's a good thing your or Dirk aren't controlling negotiations they would be over faster than when Floyd offered Manny 40 mil. All you are doing is giving an opinion. Which is cool. But the fact remains that an outdoor stadium is NOT completely imaginary as you put it the other day.

Floyd is fighting at the MGM Grand and no where else. Any talk of putting Mayweather/Pacquaio in a stadium is nonsense. Any talk of hosting it anywhere except Las Vegas is nonsense. If this fight takes place, it will bring in $1 to $2 billion and maybe more in revenue to the city of Las Vegas during fight week alone. If necessary, several of the casinos would join together to offer a ridiculous site fee to make sure the fight is held in Las Vegas because every one of them would make more money in that one week than they usually do in six months. If the fight happens at all, it will take place in Las Vegas.

I think most people agree that it could be done as you have laid out, but what the cynics in this thread are looking for is hard evidence of actual movement. Otherwise, us sitting here proposing where it could go, how it's been done in the past, etc, etc. just brings us back to the exact same point in the conversation we were in when Arum brought this up years ago. We want evidence. Hard evidence is a fair request. However, chances are the cynics are probably comprised of the demographic who didn't need a shred of evidence to conclude and determine with absolute certainty that Pacquiao was juicing

You could put up an outdoor stadium in a matter of weeks. All it is is collapsible bleachers, a ring and floor seats. They aren't pouring fuc*in' concrete and s*it. It's a temporary seating facility that can be put up and broken down in weeks. Some of the biggest fights in the history of the sport have taken place in f*ckin' casino parking lots via temporary stadium. Fights like these have all been staged at various hotel properties like Caesars, Riviera, The Dunes and The Hilton. Holmes-Cooney took place outside at Caesars in Vegas, in the parking lot, it had 30,000 people in attendance so stop talking about how it hasn't ever been done, shouldn't be done or does't need to be done. The only people saying that are Fl*m*s coming up with excuses not to have a fight. Ali-Holmes took place in the parking lot there as well, they built a temporary stadium that held 25,000, here's the article from a Nevada paper on the fight and the temporary stadium: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1908&dat=19800818&id=eHkpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ftQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4280,4059634 You want a stadium that holds at least 30,000 so that you could get a ticket that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. If this ever went down at the MGM Grand Garden Arena tickets would never even go on sale to the public. Stop trying to say there's no reason to build a temporary outdoor stadium. There is a reason, it's called money. It's been done plenty of times before, no reason they can't do it again. I think most people agree that it could be done as you have laid out, but what the cynics in this thread are looking for is hard evidence of actual movement. Otherwise, us sitting here proposing where it could go, how it's been done in the past, etc, etc. just brings us back to the exact same point in the conversation we were in when Arum brought this up years ago. We want evidence.

The fight needs to be agreed first.....

Do the whales really want to sit outside in a metal box on blacktop in the middle of the desert?

Sam Boyd Stadium where the UNLV football team plays. It holds 36,800 with temporary seats added holds 40,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Boyd_Stadium Only problem is it's a little far off the strip. The whole point of holding a fight in a casino parking lot is to keep the gamblers on the casino property so they can gamble before and after the fight. If you send the gamblers half an hour off the strip to see the fight they probably aren't coming back to spend money at your casino afterwards, who knows where they'll end up and that site fee you gave to the promoters won't be worth sh*t. Thanks. I only consider the strip when I think of Las Vegas arenas. Is Sam Boyd Stadium near the Sam's Town Casino? I usually drive there from the strip for their six dollar buffet. It's a great deal and a good buffet if you're staying on the strip and have a car and are willing to drive away from the action and excitement. It would suck to have the fight in Vegas if everybody has to go all the way out to the boonies just to see the fight, and then figure a way back to the strip for the after parties. May as well have it in Dallas if that's the case.

People have been giving me a hard time, mainly beater_of_ass, cuz i told him that an outdoor stadium isnt completely imaginary and that more people =more gate revenue etc etc etc... Can fights be held in temporary stadiums? Yes. Should be the biggest fight of all time be held in a temporary venue? No. MGM holds 16-18k. You are saying make it a temporary because it makes more money than 16k... then make in Dallas. The money they make off of concessions alone with put to shame whatever a temp venue in Vegas can bring. You expect this temporary piece of sh*t to have a victoria's secret and 5 star restaurants like Jerry World? Vegas can just add the money to build the stadium to the site fee to host the fight. It's going to come down to MGM or Dallas and that's it. They can make more from the gate and concessions with 100k people going or an insanely high fee from Vegas that even Jerry can't match. If someone went to Floyd and told him there are a making a circus tent just for Floyd. It's a good thing your or Dirk aren't controlling negotiations they would be over faster than when Floyd offered Manny 40 mil.

If a Floyd/Pac fight happens there is no need to build a new Stadium. They will simply jack up the price of the regular tickets and they will make just as much money. They will kill it at the gate and break a record.

There will be no temporary stadiums built over the winter and the fight will not be held in texas. Moving on.

Yes. But, Las Vegas doesn't have a huge arena. A lot of people, myself included want the fight to be in Vegas. I don't know for sure, but I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a venue in Las Vegas that seats more than 16,000. Sam Boyd Stadium where the UNLV football team plays. It holds 36,800 with temporary seats added holds 40,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Boyd_Stadium Only problem is it's a little far off the strip. The whole point of holding a fight in a casino parking lot is to keep the gamblers on the casino property so they can gamble before and after the fight. If you send the gamblers half an hour off the strip to see the fight they probably aren't coming back to spend money at your casino afterwards, who knows where they'll end up and that site fee you gave to the promoters won't be worth sh*t.

I think people talk negatively about it because there's already a sh*tload of stadiums in the U.S. There's no need to create a new one. Just choose that is available for the date and it's located in a lucrative venue. It's just unnecessary. Yes. But, Las Vegas doesn't have a huge arena. A lot of people, myself included want the fight to be in Vegas. I don't know for sure, but I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a venue in Las Vegas that seats more than 16,000.

Mayweather/Haymon put together th 2 biggest fights in history and are the A side. Arum needs to take a back seat he isn't calling the shots here. damn that sucks that pacquiao didn't fight two mexicans with a huge following on MEXICAN HOLIDAYS!!! Smart marketing by al haymon. It takes two to tango, not just floyd. If so, his ppv numbers wouldn't dip below 1 mil, oh wait...

They just built a temporary stadium in Belfast for Frampton's last fight against Martinez. It's not some impossible feat. Whether Arum was just blowing hot air or not is up for debate but people were talking as if it defied the laws of physics or something. I think people talk negatively about it because there's already a sh*tload of stadiums in the U.S. There's no need to create a new one. Just choose that is available for the date and it's located in a lucrative venue. It's just unnecessary.

You could put up an outdoor stadium in a matter of weeks. All it is is collapsible bleachers, a ring and floor seats. They aren't pouring fuc*in' concrete and s*it. It's a temporary seating facility that can be put up and broken down in weeks. Some of the biggest fights in the history of the sport have taken place in f*ckin' casino parking lots via temporary stadium. Fights like these have all been staged at various hotel properties like Caesars, Riviera, The Dunes and The Hilton. Holmes-Cooney took place outside at Caesars in Vegas, in the parking lot, it had 30,000 people in attendance so stop talking about how it hasn't ever been done, shouldn't be done or does't need to be done. The only people saying that are Fl*m*s coming up with excuses not to have a fight. Ali-Holmes took place in the parking lot there as well, they built a temporary stadium that held 25,000, here's the article from a Nevada paper on the fight and the temporary stadium: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1908&dat=19800818&id=eHkpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ftQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4280,4059634 You want a stadium that holds at least 30,000 so that you could get a ticket that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. If this ever went down at the MGM Grand Garden Arena tickets would never even go on sale to the public. Stop trying to say there's no reason to build a temporary outdoor stadium. There is a reason, it's called money. It's been done plenty of times before, no reason they can't do it again.

They just built a temporary stadium in Belfast for Frampton's last fight against Martinez. It's not some impossible feat. Whether Arum was just blowing hot air or not is up for debate but people were talking as if it defied the laws of physics or something. People have been giving me a hard time, mainly beater_of_ass, cuz i told him that an outdoor stadium isnt completely imaginary and that more people =more gate revenue etc etc etc...