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WTF?
Is Stephen A. Smith smoking dope?
That doesn't even make sense. $10 million is nothing to Bob Arum. Arum is gonna walk away from the biggest fight in boxing for that?
If this is true, Floyd is dumber than I thought.
I feel being skeptical but there comes a time when it will be worth it for Arum to step aside. I will believe it is happening when I see real movement for the sides but until then it is all talk.
The thing is Arum is really smart, he is not going to leave that 10 on the table waiting too long if he can make 12 but there is risk I think Arum would take the 10 then take whatever he can get on the comeback fight in Macau (or rematch if that is warranted).
how about if Arum counter that $10M to floyd so floyd will only worries his training, will it be reasonable to you now? Remember the flat $40M, arum counter it higher than that...
Sure its been asked and answered...
But why does Floyd not want to work with Arum?
Because all his other barriers have been smashed out of the way. Poor little floyd is down to his last johnny bag.:sad:
Arum to step aside. The banners can be up. They wont be lead
We shall see but if I give someone 10mill for no promotion then I wouldn't want to see a damn thing promotional with that company name on it in regards to why that money was paid to them.
I feel being skeptical but there comes a time when it will be worth it for Arum to step aside. I will believe it is happening when I see real movement for the sides but until then it is all talk.
The thing is Arum is really smart, he is not going to leave that 10 on the table waiting too long if he can make 12 but there is risk I think Arum would take the 10 then take whatever he can get on the comeback fight in Macau (or rematch if that is warranted).
I don't know if it true but Fetta posted that Arum can still get his 27% from Manny even if he takes the step aside money. If that is true I can possibly see this fight happening. But Arum wants to see his company name up in those lights and around the ring.
I'm still saying the fight is not going to happen
If Arum is paid to step aside then the bold can't happen. Those are PROMOTIONAL banners. He was paid to have nothing to do with the promotion so top rank banners can not be put up or seen in regards to a fight between Floyd and Manny.
That is why the fight won't happen. Its clear as day to see. Either Floyd does a co-promotion with top rank or Arum takes the step aside no say so whatsoever in the promotion money. I see neither of those things happening.
Arum to step aside. The banners can be up. They wont be lead
to step aside from promotion. He can still take what he takes from Pac. Pretty sure he will have TR banners up too but just no input into promotion, like he has been trying to do.
If Arum is paid to step aside then the bold can't happen. Those are PROMOTIONAL banners. He was paid to have nothing to do with the promotion so top rank banners can not be put up or seen in regards to a fight between Floyd and Manny.
That is why the fight won't happen. Its clear as day to see. Either Floyd does a co-promotion with top rank or Arum takes the step aside no say so whatsoever in the promotion money. I see neither of those things happening.
Arum will never take the deal because he supposedly get 27% off of Manny per fight at least. Why if Manny is being offered 40mill plus 35% of the ppv would Arum step aside for what is being offered.
You are right at some point 10Mill will be worth more to Arum than Manny is but also at that point nobody is going to be offering Arum 10Mill for anything to do with Manny.
This fight is not going to happen IMO
I feel being skeptical but there comes a time when it will be worth it for Arum to step aside. I will believe it is happening when I see real movement for the sides but until then it is all talk.
The thing is Arum is really smart, he is not going to leave that 10 on the table waiting too long if he can make 12 but there is risk I think Arum would take the 10 then take whatever he can get on the comeback fight in Macau (or rematch if that is warranted).
CBS/Showtime should also put in some money, give Arum what he wants to step aside to at least get the Deal Signed Seal and Delivered and after that Arum can get from Pacquiao what ever he needs. Mayweather will get the bigger cut Domestically, but it is money to be made Internationally. It is plenty of damn Money to Go Around from Investors, Advertisers and others who will want in on a Historic Event like this
Why not let Todd Duboef negotiate? He is allegedly still cool with Mayweather and he is not a stubborn as Arum.
Arum will never take the deal because he supposedly get 27% off of Manny per fight at least. Why if Manny is being offered 40mill plus 35% of the ppv would Arum step aside for what is being offered.
You are right at some point 10Mill will be worth more to Arum than Manny is but also at that point nobody is going to be offering Arum 10Mill for anything to do with Manny.
This fight is not going to happen IMO
to step aside from promotion. He can still take what he takes from Pac. Pretty sure he will have TR banners up too but just no input into promotion, like he has been trying to do.
Arum would take that deal at some point but I don't know if it is right now. At some point that money is worth more than Manny is to him, right now Manny is worth more than 10 million to him I would say but it would be getting pretty close.
I don't think Arum would be the on negotiating it would be DuBouff, because if Arum is will to even entertain this idea he knows DuBouff is much less likely to poison the well than himself. Arum would still be involved in the promotion too he would just basically be doing his own tour far away from the real tour.
I get both sides and we will see what happens since it could so easily go sideways, but the reasons for it to still occur still exist essentially unchanged so until that changes the money involved could quickly change things. What is the old saying "Money talks bull**** walks".
Arum will never take the deal because he supposedly get 27% off of Manny per fight at least. Why if Manny is being offered 40mill plus 35% of the ppv would Arum step aside for what is being offered.
You are right at some point 10Mill will be worth more to Arum than Manny is but also at that point nobody is going to be offering Arum 10Mill for anything to do with Manny.
This fight is not going to happen IMO
of course it does! becaue floyd is offering arum money to step aside but u *****ed on arum for asking marquez and mosley to do so but it is now ok since floyd is doing it. how does this not have any bearing on this discussion?
and by handicap, i meant floyd will try to dictate what gloves manny can wear, brand, etc. thats what i meant when i said floyd wants to take control and leave bob out of this. what type of handicap did bob put jmm and mosley in? as for floyd there's proof, example the maidana fight.
yes i have said in the past that bob and floyd is the 2 main person keeping this fight from happening. why dont i see this as a positive thing? because floyd is offering bob $10mil to step aside from a fight that will bring in over millions and when bob decline, u and the rest of the floyd fans is gonna act like bob and manny turn down once again another legit offer! did u think arum's counter offer of $45mil a positive thing too?
No I didn't, I ****ted on Bob/Manny for complaining about Manny be asked to do the same thing they made JMM/Shane do. Whether I like the practice or not-the issue is simple-Manny would be doing the same thing to get the fight 2 of his opponents did. Any complaining is ridiculous.
Floyd is going to do that anyway. What you call a handicap has been done by a sides for a long time, even by Manny. Stop whining and complaining when Floyd does it.
OK, I said offer was too low as well and that I hope Moonves is offering bob more. Bob did turn it down -anyone pointing it out is being truthful-nothing wrong with that is there.
No, because in Manny's case $40 mil is more than he has ever received for a fight with the bulk of the ppv. In Floyd's case $45 mil is well off what he earned for the cotto fight. so to offer a deal where the a side will earn less than he did in a smaller fight is not real.
Added to that-he already had the Margs deal signed. So the offer, the countdown clock, and all the posturing were lies.
Actaully I always look for what is best for whatever guy, that is where you have me twisted.
What is best for Manny for Arum to step aside or not if that makes the fight happen?
So maybe you should take your own advice, and maybe you will finally start making rational arguments when you get off the "Floyd is always wrong~.
Good to see you talking like an adult and not a deranged teenage girl.
Shame the same cant be said about every single(ok, maybe not you) floyd fluffer in this thread.:sad:
Actaully I always look for what is best for whatever guy, that is where you have me twisted.
What is best for Manny for Arum to step aside or not if that makes the fight happen?
So maybe you should take your own advice, and maybe you will finally start making rational arguments when you get off the "Floyd is always wrong~.
Good to see you talking like an adult and not a deranged teenage girl.
Floyd should not be asking Arum to step aside. Its not reasonable or realistic. How you cant see this I just cant fathom. Floyd's a fighter, he should get on and fight and stop with all the crappy excuses and roadblocks. His earnings wont be affected by Arum's presence, so what the **** business does he have asking for something he know will be turned down flat? It just makes him look like he doesnt want the fight, which lets face it, his conduct over the last 5/6 years has screamed it!
Maybe I though I was on something? You responded to me first with what you said, I don't really care abut your opinion enough to go back and read what you have to say, sorry~. What you said to me didn't make that point, maybe that is your larger point but that is essentially a meaningless point anyway.
I believe Floyd believes Arum owes him money he filed a lawsuit over it. Considering the case has been caught up for like a decade there are probably 2 sides to that tale but no one really knows and it has never been settled between the men.
Does Arum need to hold Manny's hair back when he pukes? Does Arum need to hold his athletic guard up? Unless Arum does something for Manny in the ring then no he is not needed for Manny to fight. As long as DuBouff is allowed to represent Manny and Top Rank can look at the books to make sure Manny is getting his proper cut. Keep in mind Top Rank never pens up the books to even Manny.
u ask why does arum have to be involve in this? i answer becuase pac is his fighter.
u said $10mil is a lot for a promoter to get in return to step aside, i said yes $10mil is a lot if u're talking about fighters like rigo but not pacquiao.
i then said this fight will make well over in the millions, so why wouldnt a promoter want to be involve in this.
u then said that proves ur point that arum is keeping the fight up.
i said actually that just proves my point that floyd wants to control and keep everything to himself. thats why i said this fight will make well over in the millions, why wouldnt a promoter want to be involve in this?
now if u believe arum owes floyd money, why is the lawsuit taking so long then? LOL! i mean are u trying to tell me floyd cant prove his case? and why havent i heard anything from floyd about this?? hmm maybe its because its not true and floyd learned his lesson already for not making false statement about another person or else he'll get sue for it! LOL
actually that was my point from the get go. maybe u thought u was on to something?
do u really believe arum owes floyd money and up until now floyd is not doing anything about it? LMFAO! i guess u'll believe anything floyd says then.
why wouldnt he be involve when manny is his fighter?
Floyd tried to sue Arum for the money and then Arum came out and said Floyd owes him money as well which he would in turn sue for so they both sort of left it alone.
This article should end the debate about Arum owing Floyd money and vice versa
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596
$10 million is not alot a money from what it seems they are saying.
$10 million is always alot of money, especially if all you are being told to just step aside and sit on the bench.
I don't care if you are a billionaire, a free $10 million anyone can take.
dumb, If Arum offer more than $10M to floyd's promoter to step aside.. what you floydiots think about that? Like what Arum did about $40M flat fee offered by floyd, he countered it with higher flat fee... so what happened? stupidity is all over you! lol "peeleft:
Actaully I always look for what is best for whatever guy, that is where you have me twisted.
What is best for Manny for Arum to step aside or not if that makes the fight happen?
So maybe you should take your own advice, and maybe you will finally start making rational arguments when you get off the "Floyd is always wrong~.
Good to see you talking like an adult and not a deranged teenage girl.
I was just thinking the same thing about Gong
As for this sutuation, i have already said Arum should step aside.
This is the fight Pac has been begging for and Arum has been promising. Well its here....again, and Arum has no point here. GBP or TMT can handle the promotion. Promotion doesnt really matter and i dont care if Mickey Mouse does it. Arum will still get his cut and the 10 mil. Might be something there for Pac to make more too.
You'll never know until you stop viewing everything from the 'whats good for floyd' standpoint.
Actaully I always look for what is best for whatever guy, that is where you have me twisted.
What is best for Manny for Arum to step aside or not if that makes the fight happen?
So maybe you should take your own advice, and maybe you will finally start making rational arguments when you get off the "Floyd is always wrong~.
Good to see you talking like an adult and not a deranged teenage girl.
what I think about it has no bearing on the discussion. the thread is about Floyd's offer, not whether I like it or not. You trying to make this the issue is just because my answer negated your whole premise.
Floyd thinks Bob is the problem. The stitches, the countdown clock when a deal with Margs was already in place, and the refusal of the 40 mil/35% deal illustrate this. So he is trying to get Bob out of the way the same way Bob saw it as a necessary step to get GBP out of the way for the shane and JMM fights. Its not that difficult to understand-but because Floyd is doing it you are complaining.
If you think Floyd is doing it to handicap manny then that is what Bob/Manny were doing to JMM and Shane. you can't have it both ways. Floyd doing it isn't worse or different.
Arum isn't the 1st promoter being offered step aside money so lets not act like this is groundbreaking stuff. Bob said no the $10 mil-I understand why as I think its too low.
You yourself have said Bob is likely the problem and that Manny wants the fight. SO I am surprised you don't see this as a positive move on Floyd's part.
of course it does! becaue floyd is offering arum money to step aside but u *****ed on arum for asking marquez and mosley to do so but it is now ok since floyd is doing it. how does this not have any bearing on this discussion?
and by handicap, i meant floyd will try to dictate what gloves manny can wear, brand, etc. thats what i meant when i said floyd wants to take control and leave bob out of this. what type of handicap did bob put jmm and mosley in? as for floyd there's proof, example the maidana fight.
yes i have said in the past that bob and floyd is the 2 main person keeping this fight from happening. why dont i see this as a positive thing? because floyd is offering bob $10mil to step aside from a fight that will bring in over millions and when bob decline, u and the rest of the floyd fans is gonna act like bob and manny turn down once again another legit offer! did u think arum's counter offer of $45mil a positive thing too?
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