Martinez is not and never was "slick."

Cotto beat Sergio, and he would have done it at any time in their careers. All I read is that Sergio couldn't avoid the shots because he was "crippled." So, I did some research and looked up how good Sergio's defense was before Cotto whopped his ass. Williams vs Martinez 31% against landed on Sergio against a volume not accurate puncher and he still landed 1 out of every 3 punches. Pavlik vs Martinez 31% again in total punches. But Pavlik when facing Martinez at his best still landed 45% of power punches. That's basically half his power punches, keep in mind that's with good knees. Sergio's defense was impenetrable with two good knee's 4/5 years ago, man. Sergio Martinez vs Sergiy Dzinziruk Look at that 38% of total punches by Sergiy landed on Martinez and 47% of his power punches connected on Sergio "2 good knee's" Martinez. Sergio Martinez vs Darren Barker 38% total punches and 42% power punches for Barker. Martinez vs Macklin 40% of this C class fighters power punches landed on the ever elusive, oh so untouchable Martinez. Chavez vs Martinez This is when cripple Sergio showed up, at the end of the fight and it was against a C class, never been tested, untrained, lazy stoner of a fighter. And Chavez still landed 50% of his power punches. Sergio "no knees" Martinez vs Murray This sh*t is crazy, you guys ready for this. Old busted up, knee injured DURING the fight Sergio... got hit with the lowest power punches of all the fights I put. Only 36% of power punches landed by Murray. Somehow, Sergio's defense was better crippled and in a wheelchair. Cotto vs Cripple Aside from universally being regarded as the most accurate puncher and best fighter Martinez ever faced Cotto landed 54% of all punches. I know there are still people out there who will ignore this because like most people they can't handle reality so they ignore it. Think Floyd ****ting his pants and firing people if they even say Ms. Pac-man, this situation will be no different. The fact is Sergio is NOT slick and he's been easy as sh*t to hit his entire career. It had nothing to do with the knees, styles make fights and the people backing Sergio made the wrong pick. Get over it, next time do some research and watch some video's before you make a prediction like Martinez at 40% still puts Sergio to sleep. Sergio at 34 still gets stopped with his trainer making excuses like Martinez poked himself with his eye liner while putting on his makeup before warming up on the mitts.

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Stop it please..prime Martinez would have stopped Cotto...Cotto saw an opportunity and took it..no shame in that but stop acting like that was even close to the same Martinez Prime Martinez got hit just as often as I proved. So what exactly would he have done differently?

11y ago

Lords

Stop it please..prime Martinez would have stopped Cotto...Cotto saw an opportunity and took it..no shame in that but stop acting like that was even close to the same Martinez I got to respectfully disagree here. Sergio has never faced anyone like Cotto in his entire career. Would Sergio have had a chance to beat Miguel? Sure, his size alone gives him that opportunity but I don't see it happening. I think Sergio would have gotten out boxed back than rather than getting stopped. He had no answers for Cotto's style and left hook, and his trainer couldn't tell Sergio how to adjust either, he would have been just as lost in the ring as he was now. Outboxing Chavez Jr to a UD doesn't mean you can outbox Cotto, and KO'ing PWill doesn't mean you'll KO him either. And i'm not being biased here because of my sig, I like Sergio a lot myself but Cotto is the superior boxer here.

11y ago

LarryX

Stop it please..prime Martinez would have stopped Cotto...Cotto saw an opportunity and took it..no shame in that but stop acting like that was even close to the same Martinez

11y ago

jcj0427

Its a dam shame I have to root against Cotto on Cinco de Mayo (if and when he does take the fight) because I actually like him as a fighter. But his fan base seems so nationalistic and delusional to say the least. But in all fairness, the OP is probably right. To me, slick means taking very little punishment and having good feet. Sergio was 1/2 in that department. I never characterized Sergio as a defensive fighter. He was def not the Whitakers and Mayweathers of the world. He was a guy who had good power and was able to bang with the best of them. He used his feet alot to squirm out of trouble but also used them to position himself better to keep good distance. He had great timing and good accuracy to compliment his style as well. Sergios constant movement probably makes people think hes a defensive fighter which i think is a little misleading.

11y ago

Nicolino

the same people who said Pavlik wasn't in his prime against say Martinez was still in his prime against Cotto? We will never know how it would be a fight between Cotto and the Martinez of two years back, because Cotto didn't want to take that fight. Anyway i expect to see Cotto facing someone like Murray or Chavez Jr. so we can take some conclusions.

11y ago

Joe_Beamish

Cotto fans just don't want to accept the hallow nature of his victory, just like they don't want to accept that the last five years of his career have been all smoke and mirrors. Pretty much. I get tired of hearing what a come-forward badass Cotto is when he simply couldn't take any more of Pac who was visibly frustrated at Cotto's running and had to be prompted by Roach to "knock out this sonofa*****." He looked amazing against Martinez who was absolutely legless. And Roach said so before the fight himself. Martinez was old and injured, and they took advantage of it (as they should have.)

11y ago

Ham_Porter

Cotto fans just don't want to accept the hallow nature of his victory, just like they don't want to accept that the last five years of his career have been all smoke and mirrors.

11y ago

Lords

Sergio's career is evolved around KOing PWill in the fashion that it was in. Sergio hasn't beatin any A level fighters in his career too. Cotto beats him 3 or 4 years ago as well because he is the superior boxer.

11y ago

Antonio

It's easy to look like you have great footwork and defense when you fight guys as slow as Pavlik and jcc jr. Really what carried martinez these last few years was his hand speed, power, and stamina. Macklin, Barker, and murray were all having success boxing Martinez.

11y ago

Beater_of_ass

He wasn't a defensive wizard or slick. The problem is his only defensive tool was his feet, which were really fast, not much head movement and hand almost always down. He is used to fight like that and he got a lot of criticism because of that. Without his feet he has nothing to avoid being hit. I'm not taking nothing away from Cotto, i blame Martinez for taking the fight. And you can't just look at Martinez stats as he was fighting the same guy, in the same place and same stage of his career. you can't compare those wars with William with that sparring sesion with Murray. I didn't. That's why I posted his last 5 or 6 fights instead of just one and made the assumption he was always easy to hit. Martinez was an entertaining fighter because he likes to fight and mix it up that's usually when he gets hit. My point once again is that against a fighter with a lot of amateur background and/or just a very solid technical boxer, that's like throwing a 90 mph fastball right down the middle for Mike Trout. Sergio's head was in perfect range for Cotto's jab or hook and his hands by his knee's are too slow to block either of those punches from coming in. The legs have nothing to do with it, because he was fine before he got busted in the head with that first hook. I already stated the reason why that would happen and it instantly showed up in the fight. All things combined I'm saying Martinez is the same fighter at any point in his career and so was Cotto. Great left hook and great at cutting off the ring, that spells bad news for a southpaw who leaves his hands down and hunches over like he should be in a bell tower.

11y ago

radioraheem

11y ago

radioraheem

11y ago

Nicolino

cotto caught martinez with the same left hook that chavez jr caught him with in the 12th round of their fight. prime cotto vs prime martinez would equal the same result. cotto is and always will be the better fighter. even martinez said his legs weren't a problem in the fight. That's good sportsmanship. He didn't train again and he is flying around the world looking for a doctor that would say his legs are OK. He is still searching.

11y ago

Nicolino

So how often a fighter gets hit is not valid information? You guys are here trying to defend the great defense of Martinez and it's CRAP and always has been CRAP. My numbers were to back up not point not just say "he's better because I think so" which is 90% of the debates on here. The guy is easy to get hit, always has been and it had nothing to do with his kneed. Roy Jones got lit up by Tarver, not because he was old, but because when you fight a well trained technical boxer, leaving your hands down isn't going to fool them it's to their advantage. He wasn't a defensive wizard or slick. The problem is his only defensive tool was his feet, which were really fast, not much head movement and hand almost always down. He is used to fight like that and he got a lot of criticism because of that. Without his feet he has nothing to avoid being hit. I'm not taking nothing away from Cotto, i blame Martinez for taking the fight. And you can't just look at Martinez stats as he was fighting the same guy, in the same place and same stage of his career. you can't compare those wars with William with that sparring sesion with Murray.

11y ago

Beater_of_ass

My point is that accuracy and accuracy alone is an incomplete metric for judging whether someone is easy to hit. I'm just going to forget about talking about what it means to be "slick" because I know that would be retarded conversation. If you can't catch/trap the opponent, the opponent isn't easy to hit. Period. Martinez is not easy to catch so he's hard to hit. Yes, that's what happens when a jr middleweight champion faces a a big punching borderline super middleweight. He still overall got hit very little through out the fight. And nobody has argued that the greatest defensive fighter of all time, Mayweather, has a much better defense than Martinez. Very true that if you can't trap a guy, they are hard to hit. Cotto has been able to cut off the ring with ease his entire career, on anyone. Martinez was quick, but guess what he's not faster than a WW or JWW. Cotto was able to trap those guys and cut off the ring, Martinez is slow than most JWW and WW's which again the style always favored Cotto. But, of course you guys know everything about boxing and there is just no way Cotto could cut off the ring on Martinez. I mean, he's blazingly fast in comparison to Judah, Floyd, Paulie, Foreman and all the other guys Cotto had no problems cutting off.

11y ago

Beater_of_ass

Why do you need to insult me? Well you shouldn't look at Martínez stats you dumb ****, do some research of Murray's workrate who as a big MW doesn't throw many punches and they were fighting in Argentina. Also, Martinez didn't trade much, he tried to outbox Murray but failed...this thread is just stupid like your stats interpretation. So how often a fighter gets hit is not valid information? You guys are here trying to defend the great defense of Martinez and it's CRAP and always has been CRAP. My numbers were to back up not point not just say "he's better because I think so" which is 90% of the debates on here. The guy is easy to get hit, always has been and it had nothing to do with his kneed. Roy Jones got lit up by Tarver, not because he was old, but because when you fight a well trained technical boxer, leaving your hands down isn't going to fool them it's to their advantage.

11y ago

DoktorSleepless

I didn't even refer to how many punches were landed on him, my entire point was ACCURACY. My point is that accuracy and accuracy alone is an incomplete metric for judging whether someone is easy to hit. I'm just going to forget about talking about what it means to be "slick" because I know that would be retarded conversation. He might not be easy to trap in a corner, but a punch to the head... yeah pretty easy to hit. If you can't catch/trap the opponent, the opponent isn't easy to hit. Period. Martinez is not easy to catch so he's hard to hit. with that too, did you not see Martinez face after the fight? Yes, that's what happens when a jr middleweight champion faces a a big punching borderline super middleweight. He still overall got hit very little through out the fight. And nobody has argued that the greatest defensive fighter of all time, Mayweather, has a much better defense than Martinez.

11y ago

Nicolino

Do you practice stupid or does it just come natural? If his feet were so important how come the fight when he injured a second time (Murray) was when he got hit the least? Please explain this to me. Why do you need to insult me? Well you shouldn't look at Martínez stats you dumb ****, do some research of Murray's workrate who as a big MW doesn't throw many punches and they were fighting in Argentina. Also, Martinez didn't trade much, he tried to outbox Murray but failed...this thread is just stupid like your stats interpretation.

11y ago

Beater_of_ass

Had nothing to do with styles. Martinez was just there for his retirement check. I still don't understand why Cotto fans are so defensive about that fight. Yes it was hard to watch and a disappointing match, but nobody is blaming Cotto for that. Why are we defending a win? We're trying to get you Martinez fans out of denial. I'm sure you lost a lot of money on the bet, get over it.

11y ago

Beater_of_ass

Because overall not many power punches are thrown. Imagine a Fighter A only managed to throw 2 power a punches a round, but landed them both each time. That's a 100% hit rate even though he only landed 2 punches. Fighter B otherwise dominated. Then you come along claiming claiming B isn't slick because fighter A landed 100% of his punches. That's retarded. Martinez fights with his hands down 90% of the time. And a guy like Kelly Pavlik could only land 13 punches a round with a guy who has no defense. Think about that for a sec. Answer me this. Do you seriously think Kelly Pavlik would agree with you that Martinez was easy to hit? I didn't even refer to how many punches were landed on him, my entire point was ACCURACY. If someone threw 10 power punches a round they handled 4-5. Cotto is a very accurate puncher, when a guy fights with his hands by his ass, yeah, he's easy to hit. Look at Roach, Mayweather Sr and some other trainers they all say the same thing about Martinez defense it's crap. Because as you say he fights with his hands down, he is easy to hit. He might not be easy to trap in a corner, but a punch to the head... yeah pretty easy to hit. I'm sure Kelly would agree with that too, did you not see martinez face after the fight? It was no Margarito but Floyd never looked like that, Roy Jones never looked like that after any of his fights.

11y ago