Why aren't Ward fans calling for him to move up?

He already beat everyone at smw. Why are people wanting him to fight a smaller man instead of taking on the cchallenges at 175? because the fight most people want to see after Floyd v manny is ward v ggg, not ward v 175lb fighter.

I agree it is embarrassing, The idea of Cotto avoiding Andre Ward or Bernard Hopkins is embarrassing. Amongst other scenarios. Even worse that both are paper champions at those weights. Yep, both the idea and attempted analogy. I know, both lineal catchweight paper champs. Both have fans washing their hands of their presently held titles, including lineal. Cotto for 6 month, Floyd 5x that

This Cotto thing is embarrassing man. Its also off point, since I readily admit Cotto is a lineal paper champ, almost of Floyd proportions I agree it is embarrassing, The idea of Cotto avoiding Andre Ward or Bernard Hopkins is embarrassing. Amongst other scenarios. Even worse that both are paper champions at those weights.

"Iole says" :lol1: Do you believe everything Iole says now? By Iole's logic Cotto is ducking Ward and Hopkins aswell. The lineal champion must fight everyone who can make that weight. Both openly state they can make it. Really Cotto should be going after them, calling them out. He's only in his 4th weight class and already 1 above his ideal one :smashfrea This Cotto thing is embarrassing man. Its also off point, since I readily admit Cotto is a lineal paper champ, almost of Floyd proportions

Uh ok, you should have paraphrased better. The other guys have to be willing of course. IronDan: "Iole didnt say they have to be willing.". Lol Capt. Save a Floyd "Iole says" :lol1: Do you believe everything Iole says now? By Iole's logic Cotto is ducking Ward and Hopkins aswell. The lineal champion must fight everyone who can make that weight. Both openly state they can make it. Really Cotto should be going after them, calling them out. He's only in his 4th weight class and already 1 above his ideal one :smashfrea

because its not healthy Iole says, ample evidence he can make 154 easy. Rigo can make 118 easy, just doesnt feel like dropping extra weight

You have a slight problem with this one because your man Iole didn't mention anything about a "challenger". "If you're a 154-pound champion, then you should be ready, willing and able to fight anyone who can make the 154-pound limit" Oops. Ward and Hopkins say they can make 160 so he should fight them, no? That's what your guy Iole is saying and we know you take his word as gospel since last week :lol1: Uh ok, you should have paraphrased better. The other guys have to be willing of course. IronDan: "Iole didnt say they have to be willing.". Lol Capt. Save a Floyd

Why hasnt GGG fought at 154 if he can? Floyd v GGG is not a big money fight. I know who cares about money, well GGG and Floyd do. I dont care if he releases the 154 belt. I dont think he is a 154 fighter. Matter of fact i dont think either is because its not healthy

To be a challenger you have to challenge the guy. Makes sense? That didnt happen, right? So what are you failing to understand again? You have a slight problem with this one because your man Iole didn't mention anything about a "challenger". "If you're a 154-pound champion, then you should be ready, willing and able to fight anyone who can make the 154-pound limit" Oops. Ward and Hopkins say they can make 160 so he should fight them, no? That's what your guy Iole is saying and we know you take his word as gospel since last week :lol1:

True however Ward could have easily moved up to grab that second lineal belt. All the credit was there for him to take. He's never moved up once. Floyd has peaked at his 5th division, which is pretty good. Wouldnt expect him to move up again. He'd get credit for Ggg at Sww, unless its some catchweight business again I still don't know why dawson offer to come down to 168 to fight ward.

yea some people don't give ward credit for that fight because dawson was "weight drained" True however Ward could have easily moved up to grab that second lineal belt. All the credit was there for him to take. He's never moved up once. Floyd has peaked at his 5th division, which is pretty good. Wouldnt expect him to move up again. He'd get credit for Ggg at Sww, unless its some catchweight business again

Dude just stop it with Cotto, its so dumb. Lotsa guesswork there vs Iole's hard numbers. Whatever excuse works :lol1: Yes I agree it is very dumb to suggest he's ducking someone 2 weight classes above his ideal weight class, I agree. So I see your new argument now is "you have to mention names" as if those magic words actually change anything :thinking: So hypothetically if Hopkins, an 5+ year light heavyweight, who said previously he would go to 160, "mentioned Cotto's name" then Cotto, Jr MW, would be ducking him. "Oh he mentioned his name? Oh well that changes everything. It's literally just words, those words being the only difference to the scenario but those words mean so much" The scenarios are basically identical. Both are ridiculous as one an other.

How is it dumb? :lol1: it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario. "If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160" Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work :lol1: To be a challenger you have to challenge the guy. Makes sense? That didnt happen, right? So what are you failing to understand again?

Ok and none of those spent over a decade fightif at middleweight so it's not the same. Yeah Golovkin could probably make it if he completely killed himself like Dawson did but why would anyone want to see that? Again Hearns is completely different because he made 147. Golvokin hasn't made 154. He's in his 30's and hasn't been lower than MW in over a decade I hate to be a parrot but the chances of him moving down in weight healthy is very unlikely. yea some people don't give ward credit for that fight because dawson was "weight drained"

That last sentance applys for Cotto-Ward and Cotto-Hopkins aswell :lol1: All they've actually done though, much like Golovkin, is claim they can make it, despite not being there in many years. So I don't think Cotto is ducking those two just like I don't think Mayweather is ducking Golvokin and all 3 notions at ridiculous. As for Trout and Canelo why are you telling me that? I didn't say you couldn't make 154 whilst being in the 170's on fight night. I said he was 173 which a makes your story doubtful, and also shows he's not a small MW. Probably isn't 5 lbs on clothes but even if it was it still makes you story doubtful. Dude just stop it with Cotto, its so dumb. Lotsa guesswork there vs Iole's hard numbers. Whatever excuse works

How is it dumb? :lol1: it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario. "If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160" Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work :lol1: :lol1::lol1:

But they would not move to that weight for Cotto. Real dumb argument. Since they're willing to do it for Floyd and not Cotto, maybe theyre ducking Cotto? How is it dumb? :lol1: it's basically the same (ridiculous) scenario. "If you're the champ at 160 you should fight all challengers that can make 160" Don't you agree with that statment? Iole does and we know you're now a big fan of Iole's work :lol1:

They prove you can make Sww and be in the low 70s, clearly. He doesnt need 10 lbs of clothes. 5lbs, and he's a pretty normal sized SWW fight night. Ok so Iole is either lying or doesnt know what hes talking about. Is he also wrong on this? "If you're a 154-pound champion, then you should be ready, willing and able to fight anyone who can make the 154-pound limit." That last sentance applys for Cotto-Ward and Cotto-Hopkins aswell :lol1: All they've actually done though, much like Golovkin, is claim they can make it, despite not being there in many years. So I don't think Cotto is ducking those two just like I don't think Mayweather is ducking Golvokin and all 3 notions at ridiculous. As for Trout and Canelo why are you telling me that? I didn't say you couldn't make 154 whilst being in the 170's on fight night. I said he was 173 which a makes your story doubtful, and also shows he's not a small MW. Probably isn't 5 lbs on clothes but even if it was it still makes you story doubtful.

What's the relevance that names were used? They said they would move to that weight and Cotto is a money guy aswell anyway. By the logic being used Cotto is ducking. Obviously that notion is ridiculous, though. Considering they are 2 weight classes apart from their ideal weight classes and neither have actually moved down in weight But they would not move to that weight for Cotto. Real dumb argument. Since they're willing to do it for Floyd and not Cotto, maybe theyre ducking Cotto?

Again what are you trying to show me with those unofficial weights? Are you supposed to have a point? Say you're taking Kevin Ioles word now? :lol1: That's funny. Yeah he could have had clothes on, sure. Not 10 lbs worth, though. 173 in the ring that's the only actual fact here. Makes 161 5 days out an unlikely figure. They prove you can make Sww and be in the low 70s, clearly. He doesnt need 10 lbs of clothes. 5lbs, and he's a pretty normal sized SWW fight night. Ok so Iole is either lying or doesnt know what hes talking about. Is he also wrong on this? "If you're a 154-pound champion, then you should be ready, willing and able to fight anyone who can make the 154-pound limit."