I read a lot of key board warriors going on about how various boxers are overrated and never as good as people say. I hear the endless:
"Mike Tyson only fought bums/C grade boxers"
"Muhammad Ali wasn't even close to being the greatest"
"Rocky Marciano's unbeaten streak was bull****"
"Floyd Gayweather"
So if someone can get it out there and tell me what their most overrated or underrated boxer is? Personally I think Mayweather is super ****in overrated, especially for running from pacman for so long. And Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali and Marciano will always be in my personal top ten boxers.
Mike Tyson, the general population doesn't grasp that many boxers are much more skilled than he was
manny pacq and his improvements, couldn't crack the Marquez code despite all the hype of a new & improved manny
Ali, because he's not the GOAT, but the general pop believes he is due to clever self-promotion
There are not TOO many HW's as skilled as Mike Tyson was though!
I mean come on, let's try to find some that were more skilled? Can't be many.
I would say that only former CW's who've stepped up have maybe a better skillset.
Almost certainly no natural heavies have better.
How did I forget these guys?
Bernard Hopkins - what he's doing with is age is really good but he's a great opportunist. Part of the reason he is fighting at his age is cause he is really good at cherry picking and the time frame in between each fights. Not like the older days where they fight at a faster pace in between. On top of that, there isn't really anyone that good he fights. Just products of hype by media/networks.
Jake LaMotta - Ok he beat Robinson, but outside of that, there's not many special things with this dude in my opinion. Extra hype comes from a good movie with a great actor.
Muhammad Ali is beyond any distant 2nd place for most overrated boxer in history.
Basically a B, or even C-level boxer who frequently gets rated as GOAT, although not with any serious reflection.
You are cherry picking in your comparison of their resumes plain and simple. You only mention of their opponents for the past 3 years. The 2 have been boxing for nearly 20 years yet you only compare opponents for the past 3 years? Why is that? Floyd's resume is suspect. Why should anyone take you seriously? You're clearly a Floyd homer.
I dont have to cherrypick anything. I only talked about fighters that were relevant to YOUR comment. So since you cant respond to it lets just go our separate ways! Tnx come again.
Your only saying this stuff because you had no reply. You said he beat the #3 fighter right? And compared it to Floyd and Marcos didnt ya?
Then you mentioned the bum he is fighting now to compare to Marcos?
Then you trashed Ghost? And ignored all of my replies.
So I'll just copy and past the things you ignored; Well who df is the #3 fighter in the world? Bradley? Or JMM old azz who KO'd him? Beating Bradley and Rios means nothing considering what he has been through. This dude is a shell.
And who is he fighting? Chris Algeri's bum azz? A difficult club fighter who ranks where? Anywhere near Marcos?
And if Bradley was ranked in the top 3 I dont think thats fair. Marcos beat Broner, a much more prime fighter, more dominant, than Bradley beat Joel Casamayor a bum.
Bradley never posed a legit threat.
Marcos was 18lbs heavier than Floyd and Floyd is 37.
And Pac still hasnt even fought a fighter on Ghost level despite the trash you say. Your not stoopid you know what time it is. Pac has only fought Cotto. One fighter and all this time wasted? Ghost is listed as shorter than Floyd, but boxrec and tail of the tape are always wrong.
Ghost is big ass hell, tall, rangy, southpaw swarmer. His punches are close together unlike Ortiz who is a combination puncher, but has space in between his shots.
Floyd changes his whole fighting and did him like Genero Hernandez.
And btw Ghost did more to get a Floyd fight than Rios, JMM, Mosley, Margarita, and Bradley combined. None of those bums made any noise in the division and became top 3 before facing Pac. I think Bradley would be too small and weak for Ghost. Ghost walked through bigger punchers.
Bradley probably cant even land lol
You are cherry picking in your comparison of their resumes plain and simple. You only mention of their opponents for the past 3 years. The 2 have been boxing for nearly 20 years yet you only compare opponents for the past 3 years? Why is that? Floyd's resume is suspect. Why should anyone take you seriously? You're clearly a Floyd homer.
What comparing did I do? I'm commenting on how you're cherry picking your argument by comparing their opponents for just the past 3 years or so. Floyd's resume is weak.
Your only saying this stuff because you had no reply. You said he beat the #3 fighter right? And compared it to Floyd and Marcos didnt ya?
Then you mentioned the bum he is fighting now to compare to Marcos?
Then you trashed Ghost? And ignored all of my replies.
So I'll just copy and past the things you ignored; Well who df is the #3 fighter in the world? Bradley? Or JMM old azz who KO'd him? Beating Bradley and Rios means nothing considering what he has been through. This dude is a shell.
And who is he fighting? Chris Algeri's bum azz? A difficult club fighter who ranks where? Anywhere near Marcos?
And if Bradley was ranked in the top 3 I dont think thats fair. Marcos beat Broner, a much more prime fighter, more dominant, than Bradley beat Joel Casamayor a bum.
Bradley never posed a legit threat.
Marcos was 18lbs heavier than Floyd and Floyd is 37.
And Pac still hasnt even fought a fighter on Ghost level despite the trash you say. Your not stoopid you know what time it is. Pac has only fought Cotto. One fighter and all this time wasted? Ghost is listed as shorter than Floyd, but boxrec and tail of the tape are always wrong.
Ghost is big ass hell, tall, rangy, southpaw swarmer. His punches are close together unlike Ortiz who is a combination puncher, but has space in between his shots.
Floyd changes his whole fighting and did him like Genero Hernandez.
And btw Ghost did more to get a Floyd fight than Rios, JMM, Mosley, Margarita, and Bradley combined. None of those bums made any noise in the division and became top 3 before facing Pac. I think Bradley would be too small and weak for Ghost. Ghost walked through bigger punchers.
Bradley probably cant even land lol
U just basically compared the fighters at the higher weight classes! Since this is when Pac and Floyd fought in the same division. Didnt you just compare Marcos to Bradley? And trashed Ghost?
Pac wont even fight Danny Garcia or Marcos, or Lucas. I would be mad as hell if Floyd fought Danny or Lucas btw.
What comparing did I do? I'm commenting on how you're cherry picking your argument by comparing their opponents for just the past 3 years or so. Floyd's resume is weak.
Way to cherrypick an argument by commenting on just their opponents for the past 3 years or so. Want to start analyzing on their WHOLE fighting resumes?
U just basically compared the fighters at the higher weight classes! Since this is when Pac and Floyd fought in the same division. Didnt you just compare Marcos to Bradley? And trashed Ghost?
Pac wont even fight Danny Garcia or Marcos, or Lucas. I would be mad as hell if Floyd fought Danny or Lucas btw.
Not saying those are not nice (it might be my age and era) but neither seem to stack up with Hagler, Duran, Hearnes, and Benitez
I know, but it's a weaker era.
Best wins:
Floyd- corrales, hernandez, De La Hoya
Manny- barrera, morales, De La hoya
Not saying those are not nice (it might be my age and era) but neither seem to stack up with Hagler, Duran, Hearnes, and Benitez
Yeah that was the "LOL" part ;)
Although I'm not a huge SRL fan, his pedigree of HOF opposition can't be questioned.
Best wins:
Floyd- corrales, hernandez, De La Hoya
Manny- barrera, morales, De La hoya
I wont even say, but love the way, people are throwing out names like Bradley, Rios, Ortiz, and Canelo to defend "Who have they beat?"
Then one post down list Sugar Ray Leonard as overated, because really, who did he beat :lol1:
Seriously?
Hagler, hearns, Duran off the top of my head.
I wont even say, but love the way, people are throwing out names like Bradley, Rios, Ortiz, and Canelo to defend "Who have they beat?"
Then one post down list Sugar Ray Leonard as overated, because really, who did he beat :lol1:
Well who df is the #3 fighter in the world? Bradley? Or JMM old azz who KO'd him? Beating Bradley and Rios means nothing considering what he has been through. This dude is a shell.
And who is he fighting? Chris Algeri's bum azz? A difficult club fighter who ranks where? Anywhere near Marcos?
And if Bradley was ranked in the top 3 I dont think thats fair. Marcos beat Broner, a much more prime fighter, more dominant, than Bradley beat Joel Casamayor a bum.
Bradley never posed a legit threat.
Marcos was 18lbs heavier than Floyd and Floyd is 37.
And Pac still hasnt even fought a fighter on Ghost level despite the trash you say. Your not stoopid you know what time it is. Pac has only fought Cotto. One fighter and all this time wasted? Ghost is listed as shorter than Floyd, but boxrec and tail of the tape are always wrong.
Ghost is big ass hell, tall, rangy, southpaw swarmer. His punches are close together unlike Ortiz who is a combination puncher, but has space in between his shots.
Floyd changes his whole fighting and did him like Genero Hernandez.
And btw Ghost did more to get a Floyd fight than Rios, JMM, Mosley, Margarita, and Bradley combined. None of those bums made any noise in the division and became top 3 before facing Pac. I think Bradley would be too small and weak for Ghost. Ghost walked through bigger punchers.
Bradley probably cant even land lol
Way to cherrypick an argument by commenting on just their opponents for the past 3 years or so. Want to start analyzing on their WHOLE fighting resumes?
The dude's washed up? He beat the #3 P4P guy in the world & is fighting an undefeated fighter who's style Pacquiao has only seen once (in a guy that doesn't even fight that way, Mosley).
Yet Floyd struggles with Maidana of all f*ckers that are legit Pro's & he's still #1? Join us in the real world some time.
You just f*cking call Ghost elite? Man go hang your @ss.
Well who df is the #3 fighter in the world? Bradley? Or JMM old azz who KO'd him? Beating Bradley and Rios means nothing considering what he has been through. This dude is a shell.
And who is he fighting? Chris Algeri's bum azz? A difficult club fighter who ranks where? Anywhere near Marcos?
And if Bradley was ranked in the top 3 I dont think thats fair. Marcos beat Broner, a much more prime fighter, more dominant, than Bradley beat Joel Casamayor a bum.
Bradley never posed a legit threat.
Marcos was 18lbs heavier than Floyd and Floyd is 37.
And Pac still hasnt even fought a fighter on Ghost level despite the trash you say. Your not stoopid you know what time it is. Pac has only fought Cotto. One fighter and all this time wasted? Ghost is listed as shorter than Floyd, but boxrec and tail of the tape are always wrong.
Ghost is big ass hell, tall, rangy, southpaw swarmer. His punches are close together unlike Ortiz who is a combination puncher, but has space in between his shots.
Floyd changes his whole fighting and did him like Genero Hernandez.
And btw Ghost did more to get a Floyd fight than Rios, JMM, Mosley, Margarita, and Bradley combined. None of those bums made any noise in the division and became top 3 before facing Pac. I think Bradley would be too small and weak for Ghost. Ghost walked through bigger punchers.
Bradley probably cant even land lol