Is Hernandez lineal cruiser champ ?
I know the lineage is a little fragmented with duckers and shirkers running away to heavyweight with tail between legs before serious challenges.
Tried to trace the lineage but I found it difficult,if no.1 vacates lineage isnt assumed until new no.1 and 2 face each other right ?
Let's just forget the fact that USS TKOd Huck.
And give Wlodarczyk a third fight? USS went to Poland twice, hung it on him both times, and beat his ass so clearly for 24 rounds that the Poles had no choice but to finally crown him.
Why do you hate Steve Cunningham?
Care to explain what that 2007 loss has to do with how they were rated four years later?
I think Hernandez and Cunningham were ranked respectively #2 and #3 by Ring Magazine. Huck was ranked #1 by the same publication, but he moved up in weight to face Povetkin. When Hernandez vs. Cunningham happened they were #1 and #2 therefore the lineal title was at stake.
The Ring ratings are debatable. Wlodarczyk could have been ranked higher than these two. There is currently a similar situation at 135: Crawford is #1 and Beltran #2 by The Ring so the lineal title will probably be on the line in November. Abril should arguably be ranked higher than Beltran.
I watched Hernandez's last fight, I think Mchunu beats him and Huck.
Huck has same trainer,coincidence ? Or not ! I don't see Huck taking a dangerous fight before vacating to move up,he's been there and done that,refer to Lebedev and USS fights,with good reason of course.
As Hunter S.Thompson said "a man's gotta know his limitations"
Correct but after Huck fought Povetkin the WBO gave him a deadline to announce whether or not he would be moving back down to CW. Ring Magazine removed Huck from their rankings before the deadline and just arbitrarily announced YPH/USS for the Ring title then Huck announced he was moving back down before the deadline expired and Ring just ignored it.
It becomes even more farcical when you consider that after losing to Adamek Cunningham won his vacant title against Troy Ross in a fight he was losing, got dropped in, then accidently thumbed Ross in the eye causing the stoppage and refused to give him a rematch which is what made Cunningham's crying about deserving a rematch after he lost to YPH the first time so deplorable. USS never gave Wlod a rubbermatch, Jones a rematch or Ross a rematch but believes he's entitled to them.
Huck was clearly #1 and you could argue Wlod should have been rated higher than the other two guys at that point in time since Cunningham had just lost then won a vacant belt under dubious circumstances. That warrants a #1 rating?
Insightful.
Cunningham beat Huck but then lost to Adamek.are we following lineage after the point Adamek relinquished ? Cunningham defeated Ross at that stage were they 1 and 2.
Like I said all rather confusing,especially considering the amount of departees heading for heavy !
Who did Baldomir lose to ?
Ok,so USS and Hernandez were 2 and 3 when Huck was no.1,before he fought Povetkin ?
Correct but after Huck fought Povetkin the WBO gave him a deadline to announce whether or not he would be moving back down to CW. Ring Magazine removed Huck from their rankings before the deadline and just arbitrarily announced YPH/USS for the Ring title then Huck announced he was moving back down before the deadline expired and Ring just ignored it.
It becomes even more farcical when you consider that after losing to Adamek Cunningham won his vacant title against Troy Ross in a fight he was losing, got dropped in, then accidently thumbed Ross in the eye causing the stoppage and refused to give him a rematch which is what made Cunningham's crying about deserving a rematch after he lost to YPH the first time so deplorable. USS never gave Wlod a rubbermatch, Jones a rematch or Ross a rematch but believes he's entitled to them.
Huck was clearly #1 and you could argue Wlod should have been rated higher than the other two guys at that point in time since Cunningham had just lost then won a vacant belt under dubious circumstances. That warrants a #1 rating?
He was...........
Who did Baldomir lose to ?
No, Ring had Huck #1 when he was swiftly removed from the rankings for a Hw one off
http://web.archive.org/web/20120103220100/http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/cruiserweight
I dont see how you could have ranked YPH #1 after that controversial win, and with his lack of prior resume.
Ok,so USS and Hernandez were 2 and 3 when Huck was no.1,before he fought Povetkin ?
It's debatable. Ring had he and Cunningham 1-3 I believe, with Huck in between. This site rated them 1-2 after the first Cunningham-Hernandez fight and recognizes the line.
Hernandez-Huck would be the best way to resolve.
No, Ring had Huck #1 when he was swiftly removed from the rankings for a Hw one off
http://web.archive.org/web/20120103220100/http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/cruiserweight
I dont see how you could have ranked YPH #1 after that controversial win, and with his lack of prior resume.
It's debatable. Ring had he and Cunningham 1-3 I believe, with Huck in between. This site rated them 1-2 after the first Cunningham-Hernandez fight and recognizes the line.
Hernandez-Huck would be the best way to resolve.
Yep, that's how it works if the linage is gone somehow the no.1 and no.2 face each other to form the new linage. Check Ring Magazine is Hernandez listed as Champion? or is the Champion position say Vacant?
A guy can be lineal without the ring magazine title. Yes they almost always are the same thing, but every once in a while, epecially after ring added all those new champ rules, they can be seperate.
Is Hernandez lineal cruiser champ ?
I know the lineage is a little fragmented with duckers and shirkers running away to heavyweight with tail between legs before serious challenges.
Tried to trace the lineage but I found it difficult,if no.1 vacates lineage isnt assumed until new no.1 and 2 face each other right ?
Yep, that's how it works if the linage is gone somehow the no.1 and no.2 face each other to form the new linage. Check Ring Magazine is Hernandez listed as Champion? or is the Champion position say Vacant?