Who will dethrone Wladimir?

i want the HW champ to come out and be exciting. he is representing the position of the worlds strongest fighter who has more than a good chance to defeat every single man on this earth wlad vs povetkin proved he doesnt have that but he redeemed himself with that leapai preformance. if he can keep doing that against legit top ten fighters not abc ranked fighters then i would rate him in my top 5. I DONT EVEN LIKE WLAD but if he shows the skills against the rest of his comp i think that proves he has what it takes to take on HWs of different eras Vladimir was psychologically damaged by his defeats, and Steward made him profit from this by changing his style. I always believed Vitali could have been the greatest HW ever if not for the younger brother and his lay off.

Age or retirement I guess because no hw is good enough to challenge or beat him in this era sadly.

My bad that comment about looking careless in his last fight was about Fury, not Wlad. On Pulev, I agree with you.. it doesn't seems like he will be aggressive or dynamic enough to beat Wlad. I like that he has strong opinions about the drug testing and injuries and stuff like that, but in the ring.. I think he will allow Wlad to stay composed..when he's composed he is great. His lateral movement looked good against Leapai and I think he will take the same angle against Pulev and stand off to the side a little, as Pulev is very straight line completely agree, Pulev is tailor made for someone like Wlad. I do think Fury will provide THE MOST entertaining fight of Wlad's career but I'm not sure if we'll see it.

What do you mean neither's chin is tested? Wlad's been tested like mad lol Pulev is not a fighter that can hurt or slug it with Wlad, He is far too conservative. My bad that comment about looking careless in his last fight was about Fury, not Wlad. On Pulev, I agree with you.. it doesn't seems like he will be aggressive or dynamic enough to beat Wlad. I like that he has strong opinions about the drug testing and injuries and stuff like that, but in the ring.. I think he will allow Wlad to stay composed..when he's composed he is great. His lateral movement looked good against Leapai and I think he will take the same angle against Pulev and stand off to the side a little, as Pulev is very straight line

It's always easier to pick the heavy betting favorite. But you can cash in big once in awhile if you take the huge odds and gamble. Pulev isn't a stiff like Leapai, Pianeta, or Wach. Pulev is not a threat. To beat Wlad you have to be willing to get into a slugfest but he has the same mentality as Wlad. Boring wide UD.

Your analysis of Pulev is accurate, but Wlad is in his late 30's and has been matched very soft lately. I can see Pulev (who is very strong) wearing him down late and stopping him. you never know at wlads age if those legs will hold up for 12 rounds against a strong durable guy like pulev but I don't think hes that far gone yet and pulev really isn't a big puncher. I think wlad should take this by comfortable decision but it wont be easy and like you said,,,,,wlad hasn't been in with a big strong heavyweight in quite some time so who knows for sure. he sure isn't getting any younger

you gotta be kidding. It's always easier to pick the heavy betting favorite. But you can cash in big once in awhile if you take the huge odds and gamble. Pulev isn't a stiff like Leapai, Pianeta, or Wach.

Your analysis of Pulev is accurate, but Wlad is in his late 30's and has been matched very soft lately. I can see Pulev (who is very strong) wearing him down late and stopping him. Wlad is the consummate professional. He always comes into his fights well conditioned and prepared, no matter who the opponent is. I would love more than anything to see Pulev push Wlad to the brink and give him some adversity to work through but I just don't see it. I hope Pulev, and you, prove me wrong

wlad is too much of a veteran and warrior. he will find a way to push through and overcome anything anyone can throw at him. Nothing is forever. Well except for Hopkins. Great title reigns usually end unexpectedly.

he could very well retire undefeated, if someone were to beat him i would say ortiz or stiverne. simply because they are the next best HWs in the world atm imo. it would have to be in a couple of years after wlad slowed down some though. the reason i think its a possibility is wlads style. vitali had been fading for years before he finally hung em' up, the reason he could get away with this was his durability. even though he was easier to hit he could take those shots. that may not be the case with wlad. if he stays around long enough to get nailed with a punch he wouldnt have been hit with today it may be curtains.

Joshua would put him away I think, has better fundamentals and hits equally as hard, neither's chin has been tested properly, so it could still go either way but if they fought my money would be on Joshua. . . Although I think Joshua is green atm, a year or 2 and the titans will clash. (Disclaimer: Ignore my Avatar lol) EDIT: Nevermind, I thought the title said Wilder, LOL What do you mean neither's chin is tested? Wlad's been tested like mad lol I do agree though, in two years AJ may be in line for some of the bigger fights, I still don't think he'll be ready for Wlad though. I agree he looked very careless in his last fight. There were some big shots that barely missed him while he was in some precarious positions too. Your analysis of Pulev is accurate, but Wlad is in his late 30's and has been matched very soft lately. I can see Pulev (who is very strong) wearing him down late and stopping him. Pulev is not a fighter that can hurt or slug it with Wlad, He is far too conservative.

Pulev is ordinary; he does a lot of things well but doesn't have the facet of his game that sticks out e.g. power or explosiveness. He good boxer, defends well, good speed but lacks that "x-factor." As to the thread question, Wlad will probably retire without losing another fight. Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Luiz Ortiz are all threats but nothing Wlad hasn't seen before Your analysis of Pulev is accurate, but Wlad is in his late 30's and has been matched very soft lately. I can see Pulev (who is very strong) wearing him down late and stopping him.

I'm giving Pulev a good shot to beat Klitschko. Just a hunch. Pulev is being way overlooked. He's better than the recent crap Wladimir has fought. Pulev is ordinary; he does a lot of things well but doesn't have the facet of his game that sticks out e.g. power or explosiveness. He good boxer, defends well, good speed but lacks that "x-factor." As to the thread question, Wlad will probably retire without losing another fight. Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Luiz Ortiz are all threats but nothing Wlad hasn't seen before

What else would you call it? It was definitely even by the time of the stoppage, and Chisora was coming on. Regardless, Scott is shyt, and Wilder hasn't fought anyone and he'll be flattened by Wlad in no time if they fought, it's not even funny. He's going to get embarrassed by Stiverne first though. The dude has absolutely no chin and no skills. I would just call it a fight he had lol no particular name, his fight with Hector Avila was a comeback but then starting with the Scott fight he started to get in the best shape of his career. Interesting mention of Stiverne because you talk about his poor resume yet Stiverne doesn't really have a better set of wins than Wilder. Arreola is just a recycled contender in reality plus Stiverne got knocked out by a random journeyman, at least Wilder didn't get knocked out against the journeyman he fought. Stiverne is a good fighter though. Is Wilder's resume impressive? not at all, but he has beaten all who were in front of him with ridiculous ease (unlike Stiverne) and hopefully he gets credit after beating Stiverne.

I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list). Usyk? No man, come on. Personally, I don't think we will ever see Joshua v Wlad, AJ is a good 3 years away from top level fighters, let alone the man in the division. It's sad but a reality of the current situation. Interesting opinions on Fury. I think he definitely has the dog in him to take the fight but in his last couple fights, he has been VERY sloppy. There was a time when his boxing was coming along nicely but he is concerning himself in trying to make a show and just fight, toe to toe. You can't do that all the time. If he gets sloppy and Wlad catches him, it's lights out. I agree he looked very careless in his last fight. There were some big shots that barely missed him while he was in some precarious positions too.

As we saw in the last Mayweather fight, the ref will have a lot to say about whether there is any clinching and how long they're allowed to clinch. Maidana could've done a LOT more damage to Floyd, all over his body and head, if he was allowed to stay in there for 2 or 3 seconds longer, don't you think? But the ref broke them up immediately. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, I am new here, I don't get to discuss boxing with people who actually know what they're talkin about, I just watch tons of fights and listen to commentators and form my own opinions. Yes, exactly. I felt the same way about the Wlad-Povetkin because of the head movement of Povetkin and his shorter height. The referee was going to have a make a decision in the first round because I thought Povetkin would get inside with ease and the holding was going to more extreme than any of Wlad's other fights. I couldn't imagine a referee that would let that go the whole fight but damn I was wrong lol. (And it did not help that Povetkin showed little urgency in freeing himself from those tactics.) About Floyd-Maidana II - all I can say really is the matchup could have produced a better fight with a ref that would have let some of the action develop. Maybe unhooked an arm instead of the quick break. They weren't even all the way tied up some of the time, he was anticipating and jumped the gun a couple of times when no clinch even occurred. I will say that Maidana lacked the ferocity in freeing himself that he had in the first fight. STill, he was typically staying active unlike previous poor showings like against Devon. But like beez mentioned, Wlad doesn't really clinch against tall dudes and I love that because then he loosens up and looks like young Wlad..but can he sustain that the whole fight. What will happen during the first close action that Wlad either chooses or if forced to take. Fury looks goofy at distance but in close he has a full arsenal and is ambidextrous.

Joshua would put him away I think, has better fundamentals and hits equally as hard, neither's chin has been tested properly, so it could still go either way but if they fought my money would be on Joshua. . . Although I think Joshua is green atm, a year or 2 and the titans will clash. (Disclaimer: Ignore my Avatar lol) EDIT: Nevermind, I thought the title said Wilder, LOL

What else would you call it? It was definitely even by the time of the stoppage, and Chisora was coming on. Regardless, Scott is shyt, and Wilder hasn't fought anyone and he'll be flattened by Wlad in no time if they fought, it's not even funny. He's going to get embarrassed by Stiverne first though. The dude has absolutely no chin and no skills. Yeah he can punch, but honestly. There's not a single person on Wilder's resume that any average heavyweight wouldn't have knocked out too. Anthony Joshua could have walked straight through that resume too. It's truly abysmal. I think that's a bit extreme, I really can't judge how good/bad his chin is as most heavyweights through time have been knocked out before. But Patterson, who I certainly don't consider a great heavyweight champion, had a far worse chin than Wlad. A lot of heavies have been knocked out, but rarely have heavyweight champions, in or nearing their primes, been knocked out by journeymen. So really, there isn't a huge difference in chin between Patterson and Wlad. I think Wilder has the dynamite but I'm not sure he can get into position to let it off. He is too wild and has very little technique. Fury has the guts to go at Wlad but he doesn't have the technique or power but that fight, in all honesty, is the most interesting in the division by a country mile.

A tad extreme, firstly that wasn't Chisora's comeback fight but either way Scott was ahead in the fight and then the strange stoppage happened. What else would you call it? It was definitely even by the time of the stoppage, and Chisora was coming on. Regardless, Scott is shyt, and Wilder hasn't fought anyone and he'll be flattened by Wlad in no time if they fought, it's not even funny. He's going to get embarrassed by Stiverne first though. The dude has absolutely no chin and no skills. I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list). Yeah he can punch, but honestly. There's not a single person on Wilder's resume that any average heavyweight wouldn't have knocked out too. Anthony Joshua could have walked straight through that resume too. It's truly abysmal. I think that's a bit extreme, I really can't judge how good/bad his chin is as most heavyweights through time have been knocked out before. But Patterson, who I certainly don't consider a great heavyweight champion, had a far worse chin than Wlad.

The guy has no technique. He's genuinely awful. There's a reason why his best win is the guy Dereck Chisora fought for a comeback fight :lol1: The only thing that comes to mind when I think about Wlad vs Wilder is Lennox vs Grant. Honestly, Wlad will fold him like a deckchair. Easy. I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list). The only two People that i see baeting wlad are Usyk in a few years hes Too fast for wlad his Movement will Kill Wlad and Joshua I think hes About as good or even as Good as Wlad but Klitchko Will be like 40 by the time he can fight these guys i see both of them beating him. Usyk? No man, come on. Personally, I don't think we will ever see Joshua v Wlad, AJ is a good 3 years away from top level fighters, let alone the man in the division. It's sad but a reality of the current situation. Still riding with Tyson Fury. Dead serious too I want someone in there who is not going to play the role. Wlad goes out of his way to patronize both Wilder and Joshua, so it seems to me that those two have already fallen for his game. Pulev has done a bit of rustling and I'm interested in that... but in the ring, I still think he is too clean of a fighter to be mean enough to make Wlad crack. In a fight with Fury, I would be anxiously awaiting the first clinch. Fury is having none of it. And if the ref gets in the way he's getting tossed too. Fury TKO LOL well he's probably going down in a heap at some point but I like his chances of getting up. I wonder if Chisora rocks him. As it stands now about that knockdwn...Cunningham is light punching but he is one of the fastest HW's out there. He isn't ranked high but if we were to grade individual attributes, some of his tools would be in the upper echelon of the division. For example, his jab, his speed, accuracy with the right hand, footwork. He's just way undersized. I wasn't surprised he could land a punch like that but yeah I didnt expect him to go down that hard... for what it's worth before that fight I posted that I thought Fury would come in acting a fool, trying to prove he was somehow slicker than USS for the US audience. He's a liability and might get stopped against Wlad but I think he will give himself the best chance to win Interesting opinions on Fury. I think he definitely has the dog in him to take the fight but in his last couple fights, he has been VERY sloppy. There was a time when his boxing was coming along nicely but he is concerning himself in trying to make a show and just fight, toe to toe. You can't do that all the time. If he gets sloppy and Wlad catches him, it's lights out.