Is George Groves back in world class level???????

Yet he is always there still firing out shots.....unless he's knocked out lol I don't wanna defend it too much because I don't think its great but its not a major problem, he's not butterbean He's still fire back it doesn't help him. I think at the top level it's going to be an issue. He's had 3 fights against decent fighters or better, Frochx 2 and Degale. All 3 he faded late. He tried to reserve energy in the 2nd Froch fight and was still fading. Agasint world class opposition I think it's going to be a problem for him.

Not sure. He looked quite tired last night. Faded in the first fight with Froch, faded against Degale. I don't think he's a 12 round fighter. Yet he is always there still firing out shots.....unless he's knocked out lol I don't wanna defend it too much because I don't think its great but its not a major problem, he's not butterbean

He needs to lose a bit of weight imo. He is big for the weight. David Haye was saying he cuts a whole lot of weight.

I wouldn't rate George's stamina as one of his better attributes but I don't think its a real weak point either, the boys fit. He looks a lil ragged late as he marks up and his pasty skin turns pink lol, I think his stamina is fine. I don't rate his chin too highly though, it aint glass but its a bit weaker than u'd like Not sure. He looked quite tired last night. Faded in the first fight with Froch, faded against Degale. I don't think he's a 12 round fighter.

Not to mention his sloppy technique and awful defense. True, true. He's a decent solid fighter but he's not too good really.

I wouldn't rate George's stamina as one of his better attributes but I don't think its a real weak point either, the boys fit. He looks a lil ragged late as he marks up and his pasty skin turns pink lol, I think his stamina is fine. I don't rate his chin too highly though, it aint glass but its a bit weaker than u'd like

I think he could possibly beat Abraham. Dirrell would be a good fight. His stamina and chin will always leave him vulnerable. Not to mention his sloppy technique and awful defense.

world class, aye?

there can be no denying that Groves has a terrific jab, puts together good combinations, has above average power and exceptional speed. Sadly, it doesn't tie in with his fitness levels and stamina issues but his skills are definitely world class, along with attributes such as speed and power.

George Groves is world class without a doubt.

I can't agree. You don't work on a punch you throw poorly in a pro fight, that stuff us done behind closed doors and you show the improvement in the fight...it has not improved. He has no power on it, leaves himself WIDE open when he throws it and it got him caught a number if times, against a Euro level fighter. I just don't think the trainer is working. First fight against Froch he looked great but was still very much an Adam Booth product, second fight was all Fitzpatrick and he didn't look quite as good and got knocked cold, third fight he looked extremely sloppy against average opposition. Well that's most certainly what happens. You can work on it as much as you want in the gym or in sparring, at some point or another you have to work on it in a fight - and if Groves, who's a top 5 rated fighter, can have a fight against a limited opponent, of course he's going to work on new things. No question about it. Yeah, I agree that he didn't look that great yesterday, but he didn't look crap. I mean calm down a bit, he was just sloppy. Often fighters fight to their opponents level too, we've seen this many times in the past. I think he looked fine and sharp in both Froch fights.

Of course. You can't always work on these things in camp. You try out many new things in these kind of fights. I think it actually made a lot of sense for him to work on that punch in this fight. Limited puncher, ok technique - let's Groves know what he needs to work on. Ah, I'm not so sure. He's also stepped up hard in opposition level - and is coming from a brutal knockout defeat. He was never going to look great. I can't agree. You don't work on a punch you throw poorly in a pro fight, that stuff us done behind closed doors and you show the improvement in the fight...it has not improved. He has no power on it, leaves himself WIDE open when he throws it and it got him caught a number if times, against a Euro level fighter. I just don't think the trainer is working. First fight against Froch he looked great but was still very much an Adam Booth product, second fight was all Fitzpatrick and he didn't look quite as good and got knocked cold, third fight he looked extremely sloppy against average opposition.

Wanted to work on his left hook during a fight? You work on that stuff in camp...Not during a fight when it's a punch you're not good at and gets you countered by s limited Euro level fighter. He's gotten worse with each fight since 'Paddy' took over training, I don't believe that's a coincidence. Of course. You can't always work on these things in camp. You try out many new things in these kind of fights. I think it actually made a lot of sense for him to work on that punch in this fight. Limited puncher, ok technique - let's Groves know what he needs to work on. Ah, I'm not so sure. He's also stepped up hard in opposition level - and is coming from a brutal knockout defeat. He was never going to look great.

Sorry when was he world class?

I think he could possibly beat Abraham. Dirrell would be a good fight. His stamina and chin will always leave him vulnerable.

I really doubt that. Really really doubt that. He was fine yesterday, just a bit sloppy. It certainly wasn't bad enough for someone to say he's 'ruined'. He wanted to make it a bit of a fight, engaged, maybe wanted to take a punch or two to see how he'd hold up. Maybe he wanted to work on the left hooks? This is the fight to do it in, not a fight against a world champion. Making him worse? Paddy guided him to his best performance ever in the first Froch fight. Let them work a bit, see how it pans out. Rebrasse was a tall, kind of awkward but still limited fighter. That's true. He's almost up there with the likes of Shawn "Mayweather destroyer" Porter. Wanted to work on his left hook during a fight? You work on that stuff in camp...Not during a fight when it's a punch you're not good at and gets you countered by s limited Euro level fighter. He's gotten worse with each fight since 'Paddy' took over training, I don't believe that's a coincidence.

He once entered a Klitschko Haye presser fight week to undermine Manny Steward wrapping Wlad's hands before facing Brewster. Completely unfounded claims.in Manny's own words Paddy is a 'pathetic attention seeker'.those be his only credentials. Yeah that and he worked with 5 times trainer of the year - freddie roach for years.

He didn't have to beat him up, that one punch did the damage. Not many fighters fully recover from being knocked unconscious with one bomb. He just looked really off to me. I think his poor trainer is playing a part, but he was extremely sloppy and even more loose defensively. Swinging and moving forward with his chin high in most exchanges was the biggest concern for me....also, why is he throwing so many left hooks? He doesn't have a good left hook and he leaves himself WIDE open every time he throws it. His punches lost all of their power after 5 rounds too, he has to sort his conditioning. He should really consider a new trainer. Gavin, AKA Paddy, is making him worse. I really doubt that. Really really doubt that. He was fine yesterday, just a bit sloppy. It certainly wasn't bad enough for someone to say he's 'ruined'. He wanted to make it a bit of a fight, engaged, maybe wanted to take a punch or two to see how he'd hold up. Maybe he wanted to work on the left hooks? This is the fight to do it in, not a fight against a world champion. Making him worse? Paddy guided him to his best performance ever in the first Froch fight. Let them work a bit, see how it pans out. Rebrasse was a tall, kind of awkward but still limited fighter. one of the most overrated fighters of tha last 10 years. he's up there with matthysse in terms of how overrated he was at his peak. f#cking brits have no souls. That's true. He's almost up there with the likes of Shawn "Mayweather destroyer" Porter.

People saying he looked sloppy and he is ruined.. I dont believe he is ruined, what i believe is he has a **** trainer called Paddy, who is not good for his style Booth took Groves to the top and thats whats missing. Paddy is basically destroying all the hardwork Booth put in Anyone know what Paddys credentials are ? He once entered a Klitschko Haye presser fight week to undermine Manny Steward wrapping Wlad's hands before facing Brewster. Completely unfounded claims.in Manny's own words Paddy is a 'pathetic attention seeker'.those be his only credentials.

one of the most overrated fighters of tha last 10 years. he's up there with matthysse in terms of how overrated he was at his peak. f#cking brits have no souls.