Ward was not a journeyman. The definition of "journeyman" has been posted in this thread.
I think he was. He wasn't elite. He damn sure wasn't a bum. He was decent. I think journeyman is appropriate.
He was not an easy nights work. He had a chin like a mother****er.
Emmanuel Augustus AKA Emmanuel burton. Not sure what was up with the name change,
Story was that he met his biological father later in life. Once he did, he decided to take his last name.
always loved watching him fight
these are journeymen champs, example, threadstarter chose ward(mickey), lol, he was never a solid champ, just a journeyman champion, lol, he would always be contending for the belt to be a true champ,he lost his title too much or didnt win enough but he would be there fighting contender status, lol, he was a journeyman champ:angel:
Ward was not a journeyman. The definition of "journeyman" has been posted in this thread.
Many of you are mixing it up with "gatekeeper", a very strong contender who if you beat you are potentially elite, has exposed false prospects, but is not an ATG himself. You could call Ward a gatekeeper.
A journeyman is someone who wins one, loses one, often has more losses than wins. Usually considered better than a bum, but not more than a tune-up.
Seconded ^. Most of the guys being mentioned are what I'd tend to call 'contenders' rather than journeymen.
My favourite journeyman might well be Darnell 'Deezol' Boone - currently at 19 - 21 - 4 but with one the most impressive opponent lists in the sport having fought a ridiculous number of future champs/ contenders early in their careers.
these are journeymen champs, example, threadstarter chose ward(mickey), lol, he was never a solid champ, just a journeyman champion, lol, he would always be contending for the belt to be a true champ,he lost his title too much or didnt win enough but he would be there fighting contender status, lol, he was a journeyman champ:angel:
But this is NSB, doe. Where 30-2 boxers with 24 KOs are considered bums.
But seriously, yeah. I agree. NSB doesn't know what the f**k a true journeyman is.
Definition of a journeyman:
A "journeyman" is a boxer who has little or no expectation of winning his fights, thus he is said to be "along for the journey". They are generally competent boxers who possess solid boxing skills and/or the ability to absorb punishment. Often they were aspiring novices or even prospects, but were defeated and found to have limitations which relegated them to the role of journeyman.
Per boxrec.
I think any true "journeyman" has to at least have double digit losses to qualify to be in the conversation.
Seconded ^. Most of the guys being mentioned are what I'd tend to call 'contenders' rather than journeymen.
My favourite journeyman might well be Darnell 'Deezol' Boone - currently at 19 - 21 - 4 but with one the most impressive opponent lists in the sport having fought a ridiculous number of future champs/ contenders early in their careers.
http://fitefansho.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/ko-digest-interview-darnell-boone-im.html
Unsurprisingly Deezol himself claims that he isn't a journeyman cos he never comes just for the payday and has often beaten guys he wasn't supposed to.
How about Reggie Strickland?
363 fights. 66 wins, 276 losses, and 17 draws. Dude would fight like a dozen times in a gotdamn month.
Now THAT is a journeyman.
But this is NSB, doe. Where 30-2 boxers with 24 KOs are considered bums.
But seriously, yeah. I agree. NSB doesn't know what the f**k a true journeyman is.
Definition of a journeyman:
A "journeyman" is a boxer who has little or no expectation of winning his fights, thus he is said to be "along for the journey". They are generally competent boxers who possess solid boxing skills and/or the ability to absorb punishment. Often they were aspiring novices or even prospects, but were defeated and found to have limitations which relegated them to the role of journeyman.
Per boxrec.
I think any true "journeyman" has to at least have double digit losses to qualify to be in the conversation.
Only thread I've seen where Brian Sutherland was one of the most appropriate answers.
Well except for the "solid" part... No offense B-Suth.
Haha c'mon now. If some of these guy's being mentioned are journeymen then me typing this post makes me a Pulitzer Prize contender!!
My man has got to be Michael Murray. I used to watch him around the early 1990's when he lived in Stockport finishing his run by blasting up Hollywood Park hill or 'Big Ben' as it's known locally for the severity of it's gradient. He was a very gracious and generous man and people who met him really took to him (unless they happened to be kicking off in one of the clubs where he worked the doors!).
He had a book published in 2002 called The Journeyman: Autobiography of a Professional Boxer which is good enough to say that for that alone he left a mark on the sport he loved. I'd highly recommend it. It's a worthy addition to any collection on the fight game.
http://http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4195&cat=boxer
Link didn't work for me so I just had to look him up by name.
Ha... no way did I know they ever had boxing bouts on at the Town Hall.
Kinda hard to imagine.
Anyways. RIP Mike Murray.
Few of the guys being named in this thread are/were "journeymen". Merely not breaking into the p4p ranks does not make a successful professional fighter into a journeyman.
But this is NSB, doe. Where 30-2 boxers with 24 KOs are considered bums.
But seriously, yeah. I agree. NSB doesn't know what the f**k a true journeyman is.
Definition of a journeyman:
A "journeyman" is a boxer who has little or no expectation of winning his fights, thus he is said to be "along for the journey". They are generally competent boxers who possess solid boxing skills and/or the ability to absorb punishment. Often they were aspiring novices or even prospects, but were defeated and found to have limitations which relegated them to the role of journeyman.
Per boxrec.
I think any true "journeyman" has to at least have double digit losses to qualify to be in the conversation.
Emanuel Augustus.
Yeah buddy, not just my favorite journeyman but also one of my favorite fighters of all time. He once fought 3 fights in 3 days on 3 different continents, true road warrior, and honestly he had skills and probably could have been more than he was.
One of the greats, a throwback, they don't make them like him any more.
Few of the guys being named in this thread are/were "journeymen". Merely not breaking into the p4p ranks does not make a successful professional fighter into a journeyman.
Augustus is a legit journeyman because he has about as many losses as wins.