PAC vs cotto 2 at MW(more like 155)

Manny loses to Cotto at 154, anyone thinking otherwise doesn't know sh*t about boxing. It has nothing to do with Cotto even being drained, so let's say he wasn't. Cotto at 154 would have better power, stamina and punch resistance than at 145 it's as simple as that. It isn't complicated, even if he was slower he wouldn't be facing the guy he faced 5 years ago. There is no denying that Cotto has gotten better and Manny has declined since they fought. They'll never fight each other now that Roach is training them though.

You cant fit all of Mannys slippery moves in without writing a novel . Manny wouldnt fight at 150 he wanted 147 . Quack Quack , its the same Cotto isnt it , Manny knows its not Quack Quack . Manny called him out while Cotto was 154 champ and then demands a lowering CW . Quack Quack , the one calling out goes to them unless its Manny , Cotto tries to meet in the middle at 150 Manny runs off back to the little people . What are you on about no comparison with Floyd , common opponents and they fight in the same division , only Manny dont fight WWs or JMWs and Floyd does . I actually like Manny , I hate his imbecile fans , Manny was managed to perfection , they had the style and from a country that has very few boxing greats , so they cashed in but after a while the BS was getting rough , now he fights Algeiri who is given NO chance by the money people , just another Manny scam while calling out Floyd with his counter offers lol . Damn you're worthless. Once again 1. Pac did offer 150. Cotton changed his mind 2. Cotto didn't even have a title at that point 3. I know flo mos can't do math, but trust me, 8>5, 11>5

Canelo is too flat footed for Manny. You need to watch some more fights , Canelo is to big he would cut the ring of and hurt Manny , Manny dont move like Floyd its a total different fight .

Tell us how you feel about Filipinos :) Which tough non flat footed fighters has Floyd faced as of late? Bradley is better than anything Floyd has done since Hatton. Canelo flogs Tim , and If Manny can out box Bradley then Floyd schools him go look at JMM thats Bradleys level and Floyd is above that , you might think the sun shines out of Mannys rear end but he cant compete with Floyd skill wise , Canelo would run Manny over , but we will never know because Manny will never fight Canelo , never never never .

Tell us how you feel about Filipinos :) Great people , honourable and humble and very friendly , Ive been there a few times along with Thailand , cant say a bad world about them . Now do you want to discuss Mannys made to order run and his Cotto ducking or you going to come back with some other irrelevant throw off .

I remember you saying Manny would duck Bradley after he beat Marquez. :smashfrea:smashfrea If you say so , but whats that got to do with Manny and his made to order WW run , it cannot stand up to scrutiny , it only lives in the minds of non paying fanboy fantasies and a hero starved country , they make movies about this crap good vs evil lol , when the hype is gone and inside information starts to creep out history will pull it to pieces for what it really is , you wait and see .

:lol1: Mayweather never cherry picked easy opponents? Mayweather never took advantage of his star status to get things his way? Mayweather never contradicted himself by draining Alvarez? They all do . Every fight Floyd takes advantage of being the A side , all A sides do that also . Yep for doing a CW he contradicted himself , people of all walks of life contradict themselves all the time , that dont justify Mannys truck load of CWs both ways above and below , your too small JMM you come up to 147 and your to big Cotto you come to 145 . Manny is a HOF great fighter but his 140 and above run is man made , manufactured , planed , manipulated and hyped , its actually a modern form of cheating where your A side is not just taking A side advantages its creating major handicaps on opponents , Teddy said it best , Mannys WW run was made to order . Floyd has fought a way more honourable choice of opponent than Manny has , way more , Floyd fights unbeaten Canelo and then Maidana , while Manny fights Rios of a loss and feather fisted Algeiri , if that was Floyd he would be boiled alive in here .

You dont need to write a novel, doesnt make you any smarter. Cotto DEMANDED to defend his 154 vs one eyed noncontender at 150 so it must be healthy for him Remember, Sww is Pacs 8 division, 11 above his starting. Its only Floyds 5th, 5 above his starting. So no comparison You cant fit all of Mannys slippery moves in without writing a novel . Manny wouldnt fight at 150 he wanted 147 . Quack Quack , its the same Cotto isnt it , Manny knows its not Quack Quack . Manny called him out while Cotto was 154 champ and then demands a lowering CW . Quack Quack , the one calling out goes to them unless its Manny , Cotto tries to meet in the middle at 150 Manny runs off back to the little people . What are you on about no comparison with Floyd , common opponents and they fight in the same division , only Manny dont fight WWs or JMWs and Floyd does . I actually like Manny , I hate his imbecile fans , Manny was managed to perfection , they had the style and from a country that has very few boxing greats , so they cashed in but after a while the BS was getting rough , now he fights Algeiri who is given NO chance by the money people , just another Manny scam while calling out Floyd with his counter offers lol .

Ah so Cotto wins the 154 belt , Manny comes out and calls him out , Cotto who can no longer make 147 says sure thing but no CW fight me where Im healthy , Manny says NO and Cotto says he wont fight under 150 and so Manny runs off and fights a LW at WW , Manny sure likes issuing COUNTER offers doesnt he , I thought if YOU call somebody out you go to their division , not Manny , you must use his special rules or its no fight . Is that closer ? Im really trying to get my head around the way Manny , forces a guy to CW inside of his own division as in Cotto 145 , Manny refused point blank to allow Cotto 147 , then when Cotto moves to 154 because he cant make 147 any more , wins the 154 belt , gets called out by Manny who now wants 147 wtf is all that about , its about draining a fighter or no fight , the second time around proves it , because Manny CALLED him out and ran away from Cotto at a healty weight , TWICE lol . Thats just red hot lol . You dont need to write a novel, doesnt make you any smarter. Cotto DEMANDED to defend his 154 vs one eyed noncontender at 150 so it must be healthy for him Remember, Sww is Pacs 8 division, 11 above his starting. Its only Floyds 5th, 5 above his starting. So no comparison

Here sh1t for brains, Cotto asking Pac to offer him 150 http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-pacquiao-fear-me-mayweather-go-154--48943 Pac did, Cotto said the weight and money werent right then lost to Trout for 1m Ah so Cotto wins the 154 belt , Manny comes out and calls him out , Cotto who can no longer make 147 says sure thing but no CW fight me where Im healthy , Manny says NO and Cotto says he wont fight under 150 and so Manny runs off and fights a LW at WW , Manny sure likes issuing COUNTER offers doesnt he , I thought if YOU call somebody out you go to their division , not Manny , you must use his special rules or its no fight . Is that closer ? Im really trying to get my head around the way Manny , forces a guy to CW inside of his own division as in Cotto 145 , Manny refused point blank to allow Cotto 147 , then when Cotto moves to 154 because he cant make 147 any more , wins the 154 belt , gets called out by Manny who now wants 147 wtf is all that about , its about draining a fighter or no fight , the second time around proves it , because Manny CALLED him out and ran away from Cotto at a healty weight , TWICE lol . Thats just red hot lol .

Do you just make it up as you go along . Manny called out Cotto for a rematch , Cotto said yes but no CW , Manny said no and wants 150 , Cotto said no CW . Floyd beats Cotto at 154 . Here sh1t for brains, Cotto asking Pac to offer him 150 http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-pacquiao-fear-me-mayweather-go-154--48943 Pac did, Cotto said the weight and money werent right then lost to Trout for 1m

What about weight? A Cotto that weighed in one pound more against Clottey in the previous fight was strong enough to knock him down with a jab. How many fights had Cotto had at 154 before he faced Manny? The Cotto Manny faced was definitely faster. You're blinded with hate so much you cannot see any logic. So a post Margarito, post Pac Cotto is better?? :smashfrea A guy can have a lot of trouble making a weight he made last year , these guys at the elite level are finely tuned athletes when you are as low as you can go another pound can kill you . While asked about taking the 150 CW COUNTER offer from Manny after he refused to fight Cotto at 154 , even though Cotto held the belt and Manny was the one that called him out , lol , seems Manny is real good at counter offers that nobody wants , why not just accept the first reasonable offer and fight , Manny runs away when his COUNTER offers are rejected wtf is that , lol , normally a guy that really realllllly wanted it would just say OK , I will accept your offer , Manny didnt what Cotto non drained , he didnt want Floyd offering 50.50 in the biggest fight in history , so he pulled the PEDS test rabbit out of a hat and now enforces the same test on others , while you kids lap it up lol . " I will never do that to my body again for another fighter " Miguel Cotto

So your saying Manny cant beat the Cotto that Floyd beat ? The manny that beat margarito can beat the cotto floyd beat. Even that cotto had a hard time with margarito. Cmon cotto was a lot slower against mayweather, only more discipline and came up with a decent game plan.

Manny beat a better Cotto so I'd suspect he'd beat him worse. Floyds Cotto blows Mannys Cotto away , you lids know nothing about this sport and weight , stick to your hype buddy its more believable in your group .

Nope. Cotto taunted Pac into offering 150 which he did. Then Cotto changed his mind about the weight, complained about the money offered and went on to look like a midget and lose to Trout for peanuts Do you just make it up as you go along . Manny called out Cotto for a rematch , Cotto said yes but no CW , Manny said no and wants 150 , Cotto said no CW . Floyd beats Cotto at 154 .

at any weights pac will still be cotto's daddy.

Manny can even make 140. Cotto weighs 159 on fight night when he was at 140, so if hes fighting at 154 i dont know how much he rehydrates at fight night, probably close to 170. So pac who usually enters weigh ins at 145 and fight at 149 is going to fight a super middleweight? Whats the point of this rematch, both are far from each others weight class and both are being handled by roach. Whether cotto was weight drain or not in their first fight you can make a case or not, but that was the weight they came close. So your saying Manny cant beat the Cotto that Floyd beat ?

Manny can even make 140. Cotto weighs 159 on fight night when he was at 140, so if hes fighting at 154 i dont know how much he rehydrates at fight night, probably close to 170. So pac who usually enters weigh ins at 145 and fight at 149 is going to fight a super middleweight? Whats the point of this rematch, both are far from each others weight class and both are being handled by roach. Whether cotto was weight drain or not in their first fight you can make a case or not, but that was the weight they came close.

Manny had a chance to rematch Cotto three years ago at a catch weight of a 150 lbs but refused and opted for a Pacquiao/Marquez IV instead. His claim then was that he only fight welterweights. However, if the fight were to take place at a 155 lbs I could see Pac winning on points because he would be too fast for Cotto. Nope. Cotto taunted Pac into offering 150 which he did. Then Cotto changed his mind about the weight, complained about the money offered and went on to look like a midget and lose to Trout for peanuts

Manny had a chance to rematch Cotto three years ago at a catch weight of a 150 lbs but refused and opted for a Pacquiao/Marquez IV instead. His claim then was that he only fight welterweights. However, if the fight were to take place at a 155 lbs I could see Pac winning on points because he would be too fast for Cotto.