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mosley got 18 days cut off and froid got 19, then 18 in the ortiz fight and one blood test was taken in each. and the pattern says froid will never go beyond 14 days cut off. there were no details in froid's succeeding fights, which included the cotto fight. nonetheless, according to reports he tested positive in all three fights. pac agreed to 3 blood tests and unlimited urine, which is way above and beyond current testing. (and this is the guy floboners say doesn't want to take the test.) pederson, berto, froid and his tmt fighters were tested positive taken from urine samples.) i would stay away from these roid topics if i were a floboner. there's nothing worse than getting tested positive three times on three fights. :bigeyes: there are unsubstantiated rumors about that. like all pac fans you equate those with facts. well you do until Manny is the subject. then you agree with the rest of us.

cotto, jmm and shane all accepted testing without a problem. the only one who didn't is the same guy who told JMM no testing when JMM suggested they both take it. We're all waiting for you to tell us why you have no problem accusing the fighters that ask Manny for testing of PED use but you don't say anything about Manny refusing to take those same tests. mosley got 18 days cut off and froid got 19, then 18 in the ortiz fight and one blood test was taken in each. and the pattern says froid will never go beyond 14 days cut off. there were no details in froid's succeeding fights, which included the cotto fight. nonetheless, according to reports he tested positive in all three fights. pac agreed to 3 blood tests and unlimited urine, which is way above and beyond current testing. (and this is the guy floboners say doesn't want to take the test.) pederson, berto, froid and many of his tmt fighters were tested positive taken from urine samples.) i would stay away from these roid topics if i were a floboner. there's nothing worse than getting tested positive three times on three fights. :bigeyes:

Pacs fault for not demading the drug tests like Roach was suggesting, Roach told Arum he wanted random testing because Marquez was looking huge, Roach wanted the testing. Pac told him no its okay im not scared and no need for it and than Bam he got knocked out cold. But also, If you are a Floyd fan and in this thread telling these Pac fans to get over it go screw yourself you have no room to talk, you guys were the same guys going on for years for Pac to test and calling him a roid user with no proof, yet JMM signs with a steroid maker, who never REFORMED like Conte did, and was still doing ped dealing in Mexico after he snitched... Get lost you have no say on this issue. Anyway my thing is stop harping on this issue OP, Pac screwed up, let it go, Marquez is and was juicing its obvious as hell at his age getting that big that fast and having Acne, but whose fault is it? the commission for having weak testing, and Pac for not listening to Roach when roach suspected JMM of juicing. You know what? I respect this sensible post. Green K sent. This is a great way to end this thread. If JMM was juicing for the 4th fight you can't really complain when anyone says manny was juicing since in both cases the same set of evidence is used.

He never refused testing in the first place. He asked for a cut-off date. Do your research and stop trying to be smart by arguing "moot" points. Manny will fight anybody. His track record speaks for itself. Can you say the same about Floyd? My point exactly. Was it Manny that accused Floyd of anything to avoid a fight? Was it Manny that says you cannot wear a certain brand glove because you can punch? Is it Manny that claims to be TBE? Was it Manny that offered Floyd 40million? Take it or leave it? Huh? I am killing you all with FACTS and you hate it! I am done with this thread, man. Enjoy Floyd's BS rematch this weekend. Yes he did. he hasn't fought Floyd, didn't fight pwill so its hard to claim he'll fight anybody. If you can say it about Manny then you can say it about Floyd. what does many turning down $0 mil or Floyd calling himself TBE have to do with this. You still haven't answered the question asked.

Green K........ You know what? I respect this sensible post. Green K sent. This is a great way to end this thread.

Pacs fault for not demading the drug tests like Roach was suggesting, Roach told Arum he wanted random testing because Marquez was looking huge, Roach wanted the testing. Pac told him no its okay im not scared and no need for it and than Bam he got knocked out cold. But also, If you are a Floyd fan and in this thread telling these Pac fans to get over it go screw yourself you have no room to talk, you guys were the same guys going on for years for Pac to test and calling him a roid user with no proof, yet JMM signs with a steroid maker, who never REFORMED like Conte did, and was still doing ped dealing in Mexico after he snitched... Get lost you have no say on this issue. Anyway my thing is stop harping on this issue OP, Pac screwed up, let it go, Marquez is and was juicing its obvious as hell at his age getting that big that fast and having Acne, but whose fault is it? the commission for having weak testing, and Pac for not listening to Roach when roach suspected JMM of juicing.

Perfect punch......... Perfect punch? Okay. Who are you? Get your rep and points up before you even address me.

He never did........ He never refused testing in the first place. He asked for a cut-off date. Do your research and stop trying to be smart by arguing "moot" points. Manny will fight anybody. His track record speaks for itself. Can you say the same about Floyd? My point exactly. Was it Manny that accused Floyd of anything to avoid a fight? Was it Manny that says you cannot wear a certain brand glove because you can punch? Is it Manny that claims to be TBE? Was it Manny that offered Floyd 40million? Take it or leave it? Huh? I am killing you all with FACTS and you hate it! I am done with this thread, man. Enjoy Floyd's BS rematch this weekend.

First of all, my name is GOD-FR33. I am a professional musician and the only GOD-FR33. It's not me that won't let the Roidquez KO go. It's the other fanboys who make GIFS of it and act immature about that fight. Any logical fan or person knows that Manny has always had what he has right now. Speed, power, stamina, fast feet, and a muscular build. He has always stopped guys. He's never Ko'ed a fighter bigger than himself. What he does is outwork his opponents with angles, violence, and sheer will. With Roidquez. His entire physique changed damn near in a year and a half. A fighter doesn't have that kind of time to train like a full-fledged body builder UNLESS they are on something. It's the only way to gain that type of mass. Look at Roidquez's arms, back, and traps. He's ****ing HUGE!!!!!!!!!! He's top heavy with little tiny legs. He now possesses one punch KO power. That wasn't the case before. He's faster than he's ever been. He was throwing 8-9 punch combos against Alvarado like he was 20 years old. He knocked him from one side of the ring, to the other and almost out of the ring. Now how the **** did he do that to a much bigger man????????? You morons didn't start the Manny rumors until Floyd punk ass was scared to fight him. He tried to cloud Manny's accomplishments when he had no proof. I am about fairness and I love the sport of boxing too much to not address bull**** when I see it. Juan is a ****ing cheater in my book, and many others. PERIOD. You're keyboards taking a beating today I see, you fan boys crack me up every time, hopefully you're just a young teenager, possibly a female, at least then you're crazy posts can be excused but if you're a grown man on this childish crusade its kind of creepy. Pacquiao is a great fighter and he got caught with a perfect punch, it happens to the best of them, its not the end of the world.

Absolutely not. Manny was the number 1 P4P fighter at the time Floyd accused him of juicing. There is something called "pride" that all of us humans have. Floyd's first mistake was accusing someone of something without any obvious proof in their performances. It showed his ignorance. He thinks he's smarter than what he is and that has always been his problem. How are going to bully someone like Manny? Or Roberto Duran? SRL? Sweet Pea? Or Cotto? Or Oscar? Get me? YOU DON'T! They all would've did what Manny did in that situation. Manny basically told Floyd to kiss his foreign ass and I don't blame him. How are you going to be the commission, the accountant, the promoter, and the fighter all at the same time? Where in the history of boxing has this diva-like behavior ever occurred with a so called world class fighter??? Meanwhile, Manny remained humble and exposed Floyd for what he is through silence and class. Last time I checked, Manny is picking up steam and on the verge of another Super Fight next year against somebody. I don't know who it is, but he's regained his spot in the sport despite the HATER(S). cotto, jmm and shane all accepted testing without a problem. the only one who didn't is the same guy who told JMM no testing when JMM suggested they both take it. We're all waiting for you to tell us why you have no problem accusing the fighters that ask Manny for testing of PED use but you don't say anything about Manny refusing to take those same tests.

I agree...... I agree. He is definitely juicing. Smh.

This documentary is for all of the Roidquez fans who actually think at his age he could beat a fighter like Manny Pacquiao without something extra. AH looks like a criminal and is a bio-chemist who makes undetectable steroids. WHY did Roidquez need to hire someone like this in the first place? He hates Manny and is jealous of his accomplishments and place in the sport. Of course he would cheat if given the chance. Look at how fast he was in the Alvarado fight. He threw 7-8 punch combos and knocked Alvarado almost out of the ring on the other side!!!! Usain Bolt is a terrible liar :rofl:

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Manny was the number 1 P4P fighter at the time Floyd accused him of juicing. There is something called "pride" that all of us humans have. Floyd's first mistake was accusing someone of something without any obvious proof in their performances. It showed his ignorance. He thinks he's smarter than what he is and that has always been his problem. How are going to bully someone like Manny? Or Roberto Duran? SRL? Sweet Pea? Or Cotto? Or Oscar? Get me? YOU DON'T! They all would've did what Manny did in that situation. Manny basically told Floyd to kiss his foreign ass and I don't blame him. How are you going to be the commission, the accountant, the promoter, and the fighter all at the same time? Where in the history of boxing has this diva-like behavior ever occurred with a so called world class fighter??? Meanwhile, Manny remained humble and exposed Floyd for what he is through silence and class. Last time I checked, Manny is picking up steam and on the verge of another Super Fight next year against somebody. I don't know who it is, but he's regained his spot in the sport despite the HATER(S).

First of all, my name is GOD-FR33. I am a professional musician and the only GOD-FR33. It's not me that won't let the Roidquez KO go. It's the other fanboys who make GIFS of it and act immature about that fight. Any logical fan or person knows that Manny has always had what he has right now. Speed, power, stamina, fast feet, and a muscular build. He has always stopped guys. He's never Ko'ed a fighter bigger than himself. What he does is outwork his opponents with angles, violence, and sheer will. With Roidquez. His entire physique changed damn near in a year and a half. A fighter doesn't have that kind of time to train like a full-fledged body builder UNLESS they are on something. It's the only way to gain that type of mass. Look at Roidquez's arms, back, and traps. He's ****ing HUGE!!!!!!!!!! He's top heavy with little tiny legs. He now possesses one punch KO power. That wasn't the case before. He's faster than he's ever been. He was throwing 8-9 punch combos against Alvarado like he was 20 years old. He knocked him from one side of the ring, to the other and almost out of the ring. Now how the **** did he do that to a much bigger man????????? You morons didn't start the Manny rumors until Floyd punk ass was scared to fight him. He tried to cloud Manny's accomplishments when he had no proof. I am about fairness and I love the sport of boxing too much to not address bull**** when I see it. Juan is a ****ing cheater in my book, and many others. PERIOD. Cool story

First of all, my name is GOD-FR33. I am a professional musician and the only GOD-FR33. It's not me that won't let the Roidquez KO go. It's the other fanboys who make GIFS of it and act immature about that fight. Any logical fan or person knows that Manny has always had what he has right now. Speed, power, stamina, fast feet, and a muscular build. He has always stopped guys. He's never Ko'ed a fighter bigger than himself. What he does is outwork his opponents with angles, violence, and sheer will. With Roidquez. His entire physique changed damn near in a year and a half. A fighter doesn't have that kind of time to train like a full-fledged body builder UNLESS they are on something. It's the only way to gain that type of mass. Look at Roidquez's arms, back, and traps. He's ****ing HUGE!!!!!!!!!! He's top heavy with little tiny legs. He now possesses one punch KO power. That wasn't the case before. He's faster than he's ever been. He was throwing 8-9 punch combos against Alvarado like he was 20 years old. He knocked him from one side of the ring, to the other and almost out of the ring. Now how the **** did he do that to a much bigger man????????? You morons didn't start the Manny rumors until Floyd punk ass was scared to fight him. He tried to cloud Manny's accomplishments when he had no proof. I am about fairness and I love the sport of boxing too much to not address bull**** when I see it. Juan is a ****ing cheater in my book, and many others. PERIOD. Maybe if they had both taken a random test the tables would be turned upside down, no? Just sayin'. .

First of all........ First of all, my name is GOD-FR33. I am a professional musician and the only GOD-FR33. It's not me that won't let the Roidquez KO go. It's the other fanboys who make GIFS of it and act immature about that fight. Any logical fan or person knows that Manny has always had what he has right now. Speed, power, stamina, fast feet, and a muscular build. He has always stopped guys. He's never Ko'ed a fighter bigger than himself. What he does is outwork his opponents with angles, violence, and sheer will. With Roidquez. His entire physique changed damn near in a year and a half. A fighter doesn't have that kind of time to train like a full-fledged body builder UNLESS they are on something. It's the only way to gain that type of mass. Look at Roidquez's arms, back, and traps. He's ****ing HUGE!!!!!!!!!! He's top heavy with little tiny legs. He now possesses one punch KO power. That wasn't the case before. He's faster than he's ever been. He was throwing 8-9 punch combos against Alvarado like he was 20 years old. He knocked him from one side of the ring, to the other and almost out of the ring. Now how the **** did he do that to a much bigger man????????? You morons didn't start the Manny rumors until Floyd punk ass was scared to fight him. He tried to cloud Manny's accomplishments when he had no proof. I am about fairness and I love the sport of boxing too much to not address bull**** when I see it. Juan is a ****ing cheater in my book, and many others. PERIOD.

Ok, I have asked this question countless times and never got an answer, but this seems like the appropriate thread to try my luck one more time. So TS (or any other Manny worshipper), answer me this: why didn't Manny agree to OST back in 2009? If he was really clean and Floyd's testing demands were only an excuse to avoid the fight, then why didn't Manny call Floyd's bluff and take the test? Why did he and his team make one weak excuse after another not to? "He called me a cheater! I'm so pissed! I could prove him wrong by taking the test and then punish him in the ring for the accusation and earn 40 million in the process. But I'm not going to do any of that. I'm gonna turn down the test, letting my reputation be tarnished, and sue him like a little pu.ssy." Noticeably, Manny fans quietly tip-toed around this one. The mantra back in the day was... "Who the Fuck is Floyd??!! Let the commission do their job!!! You can't find PED's in urine!! Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah!!" Juan heard all that and said.... "Fuck this!! I'm juicing!! Stick me, Memo!!" .

Godfree, you need to stop. Don't you realize how immensely hypocritical it is for a Pacman fan to claim peds concerning Marquez?? Pacman's entire welterweight career up to Margarito was clouded in ped controversy and since then his powers been average at best.

Dude get over it Ariza said it himself! When manny climbed up in weight he seemed the advise from memo! Oh but manny isn't suspect Why didnt manny ever implement random testing in any fight just to prove his innocence? You PAC fan boys really need mental help. Is JMM dirty? Probaly but don't act like manny is clean or was clean cause he wasn't only a fool would think that Give me a link where ariza said that shet. I didnt say manny isnt a suspect, we are entitled to our own opinion, im just saying that atleast those dismantling of pacquiao when he was climbing up has reasons, and i already mentioned them. While marquez hulk power is beyond logic. Thats mannys fault he didnt do testing and if people like you were accusing him hard of peds how much more dinamita who is 100 times more suspectable because of heredia. You are just probably someone who rides JRs **** about the accusing shet before.

Most people were just suspicious of Floyd's motives. So don't change this around. They said that if Manny agrees, watch Floyd come back with another roadblock. 100 roadblocks later, you are still taking Floyd's side. Why? Furthermore, from DAY #1, Manny was OK with extra testing. Negotiations went bad. No kidding when one side ACCUSES the other of taking PEDs, it's bound to go bad!!! I agree with the bold wholeheartdly and for the record, I think both sides are at fault for the fight not happening. However on that same note, I don't see how Arum and Pac thought the fight would get made when they were actively suing Mayweather for defamation of character. Not debating wether Pac had grounds to sue Mayweather but they couldn't have honestly thought negotiations would go smoothly from that point on.......