He's been a champion in multiple divisions now and his resume overall is deeper. Nothing against Rigondeaux because he is as skillful as they come...I just think Chocolatito is more proven and more accomplished at this point.
Thoughts?
Alright everyone, calm down! When this guy gets beat yall will turn your back on him.
I've watched Gonzalez fight a fair few times and I've always been impressed by his power and calm but every single time I come away with one impression above all else: "Damn this kid is hittable"
The moment he comes up against someone who can move and hit hard with a great chin, he gets beat up.
Is Gonzalez P4P? Possibly clips into top 10-15. Can he be higher? Sure. Is he better than Rigo? Hell no and keep in mind I'm not even a Rigo fan lol
Gonzalez does a great job slipping, catching, and taking the steam off punches. Everyone at the lower weights is hittable, because for the most part they don't run and clinch and engage in spoiler tactics. Gonzalez is pretty damn good defensively.
I've watched Gonzalez fight a fair few times and I've always been impressed by his power and calm but every single time I come away with one impression above all else: "Damn this kid is hittable"
That might be the one minor chink in his armor but no one has been able to make him pay for it yet. His offense is that damn good.
Alright everyone, calm down! When this guy gets beat yall will turn your back on him.
I've watched Gonzalez fight a fair few times and I've always been impressed by his power and calm but every single time I come away with one impression above all else: "Damn this kid is hittable"
The moment he comes up against someone who can move and hit hard with a great chin, he gets beat up.
Is Gonzalez P4P? Possibly clips into top 10-15. Can he be higher? Sure. Is he better than Rigo? Hell no and keep in mind I'm not even a Rigo fan lol
Ummm...if you just blindly look at a sheet of paper with Ws and L's and rankings then maybe.
But p4p is about if everybody was the same size, who would win. Resume is to be used as a measuring stick to see how a fighter would perform against different styles but its not everything.
Danny Garcia has as good of a resume as anybody but I don't think he would beat anybody top 10 p4p in a hypothetical matchup.
A P4P fighter has to have skills first and foremost. But the quality of his opposition should be taken into consideration as well.
Because sometimes it's easy to look skilled if you aren't fighting top foes. Zab Judah is a good example, he looked like a god as long as he was crushing tomato cans but once he stepped up to world class opponents he didn't look quite as good anymore. His skills had a ceiling.
No he shouldn't. Rigondeaux is the better and more skilled fighter. I don't think it's a landslide or anything, but I got RiGOD at 3 and Gonzalez moving up to 5.
I don't know if he is above Rigo or not but bot of them ar P4P top 10.
And LOL @ boxrec's P4P list, just take a look, Gonzalez is just 53. and there are fighters above him such as Pulev, Tyson Fury, Glazkov, Chavez Jr, Vargas or Postol :wtf:
This fact in it's own tells a lot about Boxrec's point system :439:
Well, Rodriguez and Estrada both went on to become unified champions after losing to Gonzalez.
Rigo's win over Donaire is a great one, yes, but it's really his only great win. Gonzalez wins in the quantity department with wins over Yaegashi, Estrada, Rodriguez, Takayama, and Hirales.
Remember that Yaegashi moved up two weight classes to win the flyweight title.
Rigo is lucky that gonzalez isn't in his division.
Be a hell of a style clash.
As is, Roman is the clear champion of one of the 2-3 best divisions in boxing. His growth potential is strong and 115 is improving in time to give him another quality rival in a couple years.
He's only 27. This might just be getting started.
Brian Viloria was ranked on most people's P4P lists?
Have I been in a coma?
He was on several after unifying with Marquez: Ring, think ESPN, some others.
Not to me. That's why I have Rigo #3.
Donaire is one of the greats of this era and a shoe in hall of famer. He's just underrated now because of hindsight.
Estrada is a good fighter though. He has been on a tear since he lost to Chocolito and beat up Brian Viloria who was ranked on most people's p4p list including the Ring at the time.
Brian Viloria was ranked on most people's P4P lists?
Have I been in a coma?
I'm probably being purely ignorant but this all sounds like a bunch of hipster bollox to me.
Ring Mag is as casual as it gets and Chocolito has been ranked p4p for months now.
Roman Gonzalez is the GREATEST little fighter of all time ever.
His achievements and skill far surpass anyone in history. He definitely deserves to be ranked higher than rigo and he is a definite hall of farmer and legend of the sport. I'm glad more people are recognizing this. No one does it better than Gonzalez.
Whoa...time will tell. Little early for that. Best I've seen that low since the 90s at least.
Estrada? And he's supposed to be as good as Donaire is he?
Not to me. That's why I have Rigo #3.
Donaire is one of the greats of this era and a shoe in hall of famer. He's just underrated now because of hindsight.
Estrada is a good fighter though. He has been on a tear since he lost to Chocolito and beat up Brian Viloria who was ranked on most people's p4p list including the Ring at the time.
I'm probably being purely ignorant but this all sounds like a bunch of hipster bollox to me.
He might be the best overall offensive machine in boxing. Dude is just special. That ain't hipster. This is just Roman watchers finally feeling like he has enough validation to push back.