I've just thought about this and I can't understand what people categorise as running in boxing.
If someone outmoves his opponent and lands more punches then he has won the round. When Algieri fought Provo he landed way more punches but people just said "look at his face who would you have rather been?" Well let's apply this logic to rigo vs donaire. Rigo outlanded donaire and badly marked his face but some still said he was running despite donaire being hesitant to throw anything. If you were Algieri would you just plant your feet and stand still against a known puncher? No, you would move around and disrupt him with potshots and some combinations.
With the Lara canelo fight (which I believe canelo only just won) people claimed Lara was running when in fact he was using lateral movement. When pacquiao did this against rios I saw no complaints at all.
The main point I'm trying to make is if you were really scared of your opponent you wouldn't get in the ring with him. This isn't a bar fight where only one is left standing, this is boxing. I like all action fights as much as I like boxing chess matches but now if seems like you can't even sidestep without being called a runner.
I've just thought about this and I can't understand what people categorise as running in boxing.
If someone outmoves his opponent and lands more punches then he has won the round. When Algieri fought Provo he landed way more punches but people just said "look at his face who would you have rather been?" Well let's apply this logic to rigo vs donaire. Rigo outlanded donaire and badly marked his face but some still said he was running despite donaire being hesitant to throw anything. If you were Algieri would you just plant your feet and stand still against a known puncher? No, you would move around and disrupt him with potshots and some combinations.
With the Lara canelo fight (which I believe canelo only just won) people claimed Lara was running when in fact he was using lateral movement. When pacquiao did this against rios I saw no complaints at all.
The main point I'm trying to make is if you were really scared of your opponent you wouldn't get in the ring with him. This isn't a bar fight where only one is left standing, this is boxing. I like all action fights as much as I like boxing chess matches but now if seems like you can't even sidestep without being called a runner.
Well, I have always categorized it as someone who utilizes practically nothing apart from defensive footwork and is constantly moving whilst offering almost zero offensively.
What Lara did against Alvarez was called running for me, What Rigo and Algeriea did is called boxing to me, my thing is if you are going to do the "Lara school of boxing" please dont whine when you dont get the decision at the end of the fight.
Look at present floyd, he stays in the pocket while slipping punches and counters back....what lara did against canelo is straight up running! I have no other way to put it.
The annoying thing is Lara used good lateral movement and moved to canelo's left. He had his lead foot outside canelo's yet did nothing. As a southpaw this offends me!
I would say that's the best analogy. Like I said I can't justify Lara's inactivity in the second half of the fight. What bothers me is when guys accuse fighters of running when they were simply moving out of the way then throwing punches. Algieri and rigo accusations annoy me more than Lara accusations because Algieri and rigo clearly landed more and utilised all of the ring. Lara seemed unable to use the center of the ring properly and kept ending up with his back to the ropes. Which to me isn't ring generalship.
Look at present floyd, he stays in the pocket while slipping punches and counters back....what lara did against canelo is straight up running! I have no other way to put it.
When you are constantly either out of range or making your opponent miss yet not trying to counter him.
This is exactly the game plan lara executed yet you had him winning 9-3??? I just dont get it jas....smh
all boxers take a step back, or to the side to get away from contact. t hey're idiots if they're unwilling to do that.
when you take several steps away from contact constantly, you're probably a runner.
I would say that's the best analogy. Like I said I can't justify Lara's inactivity in the second half of the fight. What bothers me is when guys accuse fighters of running when they were simply moving out of the way then throwing punches. Algieri and rigo accusations annoy me more than Lara accusations because Algieri and rigo clearly landed more and utilised all of the ring. Lara seemed unable to use the center of the ring properly and kept ending up with his back to the ropes. Which to me isn't ring generalship.
all boxers take a step back, or to the side to get away from contact. t hey're idiots if they're unwilling to do that.
when you take several steps away from contact constantly, you're probably a runner.
When you don't seize the opportunity to counter after making your opponent miss and instead continue to distance yourself, how can that not be considered running?
Also, we need to stop comparing Lara's approach to Algieri and Rigondeaux, it's entirely different. Algieri punches whilst on the move, doesn't stop pumping the jab and Rigondeaux stays within range after he's made you miss and counters beautifully.
rigondeaux didn't always do this, but he does now. i honestly think it came down to conditioning, early on. the guy was an amateur for so long that he needed a while to adjust to a 12 round fight.
Pretty simple. If you are constantly backpedaling just to avoid the fight, rather than to open up your own offensive opportunities, you're running.
Like Love last night, or Lara against Alvarez. Both guys ran just to avoid the fight, with no plan behind that movement.
See- last 3-4 rounds of Trinidad vs Hoya :cop:
Or half of Lara vs Canelo
This is coming from a fan who loves the sweet science and boxing in general.
I see the entertainment value in the caveman Margarito/ Brandon Rios style but it's not the very essence of top boxing style.
It's more like, I have a harder skull and can take your punches more than you can take mine..style....
To me its throwing a punch or two then backing off to the point where you're 10 or 15 feet away from your opponent then repeating it for most of the fight. Its one thing to punch and get out of range for the counter punches but some times guys take it too far, when you watch a fight and more time is spent out of punching range than in it, there is a problem.
it's liek art, p*rn, violence, etc.
you know it when you see it.
when i see a fighter moving several steps out of range in constancy, without any attempt to engage, i'll generally consider him running.
When you don't seize the opportunity to counter after making your opponent miss and instead continue to distance yourself, how can that not be considered running?
Also, we need to stop comparing Lara's approach to Algieri and Rigondeaux, it's entirely different. Algieri punches whilst on the move, doesn't stop pumping the jab and Rigondeaux stays within range after he's made you miss and counters beautifully.
When you are constantly either out of range or making your opponent miss yet not trying to counter him.
See that's what I consider avoiding the fight but I rarely see anyone use that truthfully. Most if the time they just get annoyed when their hard hitting favourite is being outlanded and unable to ko their opponent
Pretty simple. If you are constantly backpedaling just to avoid the fight, rather than to open up your own offensive opportunities, you're running.
Like Love last night, or Lara against Alvarez. Both guys ran just to avoid the fight, with no plan behind that movement.
I can admit Lara was inactive in the last 4 rounds but people act like he was avoiding the entire fight. I will say that the old amateur scoring system kind of encouraged boxers to Coast once they had a lead which I feel kind of influenced Lara.
Pretty simple. If you are constantly backpedaling just to avoid the fight, rather than to open up your own offensive opportunities, you're running.
Like Love last night, or Lara against Alvarez. Both guys ran just to avoid the fight, with no plan behind that movement.