I have no sympathy for Juan Manuel Lopez

Stopped reading at ''really good defense'' :lol1: So did I.

I was hoping for your reply, I'm glad you posted. Thing is, up until the Penalosa fight, Lopez never showed any signs of a brawler. He was a boxer puncher with a pretty damn good jab that was always able to set up punches beautifully (especially his right hook). Before the Penalosa fight, You'll notice a calm Lopez who's within a round or two would figure out his opponents movements to set up his power shots. It's the reason why he got to the top so quickly with opponents barely hitting him. I never said he was this great boxer, But he did have that pedigree up until the Penalosa fight. I do agree with you on his style of fighter after the Penalosa fight, but that's clearly after he abandoned his craft. You'll see the difference right away. Arrogance. Yes but he had not fought the level of pressure fighter like Salido or Pnce De Leon. My point is that it's easy to say just box, but it takes a very special boxer to keep those guys away from you for 12 rounds and I don't think Lopez has or had that skill. Very few can do that, and I believe that Lopez not so much abandoned his craft, he just became more of what he truly was.

He never had good defense, he was just not aggressive at all...until he had you hurt.

Every body looks like a defensive wizard early on He was already fighting World Title challengers around his 7th or 8th professional fight.

See, the thing is he was never meant to be that fighter. He was supposed to be a highly skilled Boxer Puncher with a damn good jab in which he abandoned after the Penalosa fight. I have nothing against the guy, but his arrogance towards his career makes the guy hard to respect. Blaming everybody but yourself about your faults doesn't make you a likeable guy/boxer in my book. I was hoping for your reply, I'm glad you posted. Thing is, up until the Penalosa fight, Lopez never showed any signs of a brawler. He was a boxer puncher with a pretty damn good jab that was always able to set up punches beautifully (especially his right hook). Before the Penalosa fight, You'll notice a calm Lopez who's within a round or two would figure out his opponents movements to set up his power shots. It's the reason why he got to the top so quickly with opponents barely hitting him. I never said he was this great boxer, But he did have that pedigree up until the Penalosa fight. I do agree with you on his style of fighter after the Penalosa fight, but that's clearly after he abandoned his craft. You'll see the difference right away. Arrogance. I meant how his career has gone downhill. This isn't a Floyd bashing Thread. Go somewhere else if you have nothing to contribute to this Thread. i can post where i feel..it is a boxing thread and no boxer wants your sympathy...

If you would have followed his early career as I did, maybe you would have kept reading. Every body looks like a defensive wizard early on

Excellent post. As a big Juanma fan, I don't want to share the same sentiments BUT I sadly have to agree. Unfortunately, he's past the point of no return. He has taken permanent damage. Even if he got a new trainer, he doesn't have the faculties anymore. His reflexes are gone, his timing is gone, his reasoning doesn't exist... HOWEVER, I love Juanma. He is a true warrior, I can't help but going crazy when he gets hurt and turns on savage mode trying to survive by fighting back. I will ALWAYS support him hard even when I realize he should hang them up. WAR JUANMA for life!!! I love him as a fighter and as a person. I've had the opportunity to meet him twice and he is such a down to earth likeable guy. I have taken like 4 selfies with him, even on the same day when I didn't like the way I looked in one of the photos. See, the thing is he was never meant to be that fighter. He was supposed to be a highly skilled Boxer Puncher with a damn good jab in which he abandoned after the Penalosa fight. I have nothing against the guy, but his arrogance towards his career makes the guy hard to respect. Blaming everybody but yourself about your faults doesn't make you a likeable guy/boxer in my book. I don't agree with most of this. He is/was arrogant in the way he approached the sport and I didn't like his tirade after the first Salido fight and loss. In that we agree, but in my time as a trainer, a fighter is what he is. You can't turn a brawler into a boxer, and that's what Lopez is, a skilled brawler. He can box, but he loves contract, and knows that his power is his key. Lopez biggest flaw is his chin, he fights like a guy with an iron chin and doesn't have one. Now of course people would tell him to box more, but it's his power and KO's that got him the recognition it did in the first place. If he fights Ponce De Leon, I think each man wins 5 out of 10 because of styles and power. With Salido, he was wore down by a pressure fighter that can take better than he can. I just feel like this notion that Lopez abandoned this great boxing he had is not entirely correct. He was a boxer puncher, but was a KO artist who's power propelled him to the top of the boxing world. In the end though, Salido really did damage to him and he was never the same fighter. No shame in that as Salido is monster who's been in there with legends and is about as durable as an iron donkey. I was hoping for your reply, I'm glad you posted. Thing is, up until the Penalosa fight, Lopez never showed any signs of a brawler. He was a boxer puncher with a pretty damn good jab that was always able to set up punches beautifully (especially his right hook). Before the Penalosa fight, You'll notice a calm Lopez who's within a round or two would figure out his opponents movements to set up his power shots. It's the reason why he got to the top so quickly with opponents barely hitting him. I never said he was this great boxer, But he did have that pedigree up until the Penalosa fight. I do agree with you on his style of fighter after the Penalosa fight, but that's clearly after he abandoned his craft. You'll see the difference right away. Arrogance. Boxers do not start fighting for your sympathy...this is a lonely sport I meant how his career has gone downhill. This isn't a Floyd bashing Thread. Go somewhere else if you have nothing to contribute to this Thread.

One of the top prospects to come out of P.R, Juan Manuel Lopez had all the tools that he needed to become a star. He had good reflex, great counter punching, and amazing power with a really good defense. He went to become the champ by KTFO a prime Daniel Ponce De Leon in the 1st round following wins against Gerry Penalosa, Steven Lueveano, Bernabe Concepcion, and the GREAT Rafael Marquez. During the Penalosa fight, You start seeing a well polish fighter become more eagerly to attack and KO his opponent. Completely forgetting his craft and falling in love with his right hook. The Mtaga fight was proof of how Juan Manuel lopez forgot what tools got him to the top of the Super Bantamweight division by almost losing to a journeyman. He continued his fights with the same gameplan, The right hook. He then met a guy that he was "suppose" to beat in Orlando Salido, A guy who was ready for the right hook since the 1st round. Everything that Lopez was about, shatters in round 5 of the first fight. He then goes to to get KO'd in the 8th round of that fight and again in the rematch. Ever since, He has become a bum with no punch resistance and forgotten skills. You know why I have no sympathy for Lopez? His arrogance. The fact he thought he was invincible with that right hook took him to a reality check quite a few times and the fact that he doesn't acknowledge or respect the opponents that has hurt him or KO'd gets me even more angry as a former fan of his. Blaming referees and blaming his Ex Wife about the way his career has become is a sign of an arrogance, delusional, c0cky human being. I hope he retires because there isn't anybody else who would fall from his right hook and because his health is in danger if he keeps getting punish. What are all these words bro? http://oi62.tinypic.com/2w2kd1u.jpg (had to sport my new floyd "didn't read" pic.)

Boxers do not start fighting for your sympathy...this is a lonely sport

One of the top prospects to come out of P.R, Juan Manuel Lopez had all the tools that he needed to become a star. He had good reflex, great counter punching, and amazing power with a really good defense. He went to become the champ by KTFO a prime Daniel Ponce De Leon in the 1st round following wins against Gerry Penalosa, Steven Lueveano, Bernabe Concepcion, and the GREAT Rafael Marquez. During the Penalosa fight, You start seeing a well polish fighter become more eagerly to attack and KO his opponent. Completely forgetting his craft and falling in love with his right hook. The Mtaga fight was proof of how Juan Manuel lopez forgot what tools got him to the top of the Super Bantamweight division by almost losing to a journeyman. He continued his fights with the same gameplan, The right hook. He then met a guy that he was "suppose" to beat in Orlando Salido, A guy who was ready for the right hook since the 1st round. Everything that Lopez was about, shatters in round 5 of the first fight. He then goes to to get KO'd in the 8th round of that fight and again in the rematch. Ever since, He has become a bum with no punch resistance and forgotten skills. You know why I have no sympathy for Lopez? His arrogance. The fact he thought he was invincible with that right hook took him to a reality check quite a few times and the fact that he doesn't acknowledge or respect the opponents that has hurt him or KO'd gets me even more angry as a former fan of his. Blaming referees and blaming his Ex Wife about the way his career has become is a sign of an arrogance, delusional, c0cky human being. I hope he retires because there isn't anybody else who would fall from his right hook and because his health is in danger if he keeps getting punish. I don't agree with most of this. He is/was arrogant in the way he approached the sport and I didn't like his tirade after the first Salido fight and loss. In that we agree, but in my time as a trainer, a fighter is what he is. You can't turn a brawler into a boxer, and that's what Lopez is, a skilled brawler. He can box, but he loves contract, and knows that his power is his key. Lopez biggest flaw is his chin, he fights like a guy with an iron chin and doesn't have one. Now of course people would tell him to box more, but it's his power and KO's that got him the recognition it did in the first place. If he fights Ponce De Leon, I think each man wins 5 out of 10 because of styles and power. With Salido, he was wore down by a pressure fighter that can take better than he can. I just feel like this notion that Lopez abandoned this great boxing he had is not entirely correct. He was a boxer puncher, but was a KO artist who's power propelled him to the top of the boxing world. In the end though, Salido really did damage to him and he was never the same fighter. No shame in that as Salido is monster who's been in there with legends and is about as durable as an iron donkey.

If you would have followed his early career as I did, maybe you would have kept reading. What is to say I never? He never had any defense or a chin at all or the skills often outlined. The guy was always a K.O waiting too happen. Hyped too death because of his power.

A few years back I honestly thought he was gonna be the next superstar in boxing and be unbeaten for years. Looks like he lost his focus. Real shame. He had so much potential

Excellent post. As a big Juanma fan, I don't want to share the same sentiments BUT I sadly have to agree. Unfortunately, he's past the point of no return. He has taken permanent damage. Even if he got a new trainer, he doesn't have the faculties anymore. His reflexes are gone, his timing is gone, his reasoning doesn't exist... HOWEVER, I love Juanma. He is a true warrior, I can't help but going crazy when he gets hurt and turns on savage mode trying to survive by fighting back. I will ALWAYS support him hard even when I realize he should hang them up. WAR JUANMA for life!!! I love him as a fighter and as a person. I've had the opportunity to meet him twice and he is such a down to earth likeable guy. I have taken like 4 selfies with him, even on the same day when I didn't like the way I looked in one of the photos.

Stopped reading at ''really good defense'' If you would have followed his early career as I did, maybe you would have kept reading.

Stopped reading at ''really good defense''