I'm curious at the consensus to this one.
I'm sure most of us would agree that the majority of fans ( casual and hardcore) thought that Sergio Martinez would beat Cotto easily ( KNEES OR NO KNEES ) we believed Sergio would win.
Cotto wins. Some say luck, others weight, others knees and more excuses ( as if we didn't know any of this before hand)
If the majority believed a washed up and injured Sergio would beat Cotto then why are we trying to have Cotto fight the TRUE middle weight young Lion with the highest KO ratio in boxing? ..when Cotto is a small 154lb fighter?
I would rather that he defend the title at least once and then move back down to 154 lb because I think he's a bit undersized to compete at Middleweight. Besides, I don't see anybody beating GGG at 160 anytime soon.
However, if he chooses to settle at this new weight class then he's fair game in the discussions involving his name with Golovkin's since they are both titleholders in the same weight division.
Sergio was a calculated risk that paid off, and I'm not expecting him to fight 3G. He should at least defend it once, whether it be against Rubio or Canelo. Rubio is a true MW and Canelo is capable of defending it against Quillin if he wins.
You're fucking retarded :lol1:
If I say I'm criticizing everyone who condones and does it I'm hating on everyone individually thus I'm hating the entire game by that logic.
How old are you man? If you're under 15 that would explain your attempt of insult by calling me a "player hater" and you fangirl like obsession with Cotto.
Why are you so inclined to defend Cotto? Why would you "hate" on people who want to see the fight happen? Do you not want to see it?
If I think he doesn't belong in the division then why would I want to see him fight the man in the division. It's as simple as you. When someone comes In here and says Cotto and GGG are the two best in the division I respect that and understand they want to see the fight happen.
But you should realize I don't believe a belt makes you the best in the division. We all know it's true that all title holders aren't the best in their divisions...but if you guys want to make believe ...like the casual fan ...that's fine with me.:kiss:
They are the two best title holders at 160, it's that simple.
Miguel is a small MW, but he holds a belt and if he's going to keep it, I'd like to see the two best face off.
You see this is what I like. If your being honest which I suspect you are then you make perfect sense.
We have guys coming in here saying Cotto isn't one of the best but they want to see him fight the best ( why would they say that? ) I suspect to see him KOED.
For me he doesn't belong in the division and should leave, how that makes me a fanboy...I don't know. I think he should fight the best at 154.
They are the two best title holders at 160, it's that simple.
Miguel is a small MW, but he holds a belt and if he's going to keep it, I'd like to see the two best face off.
Originally Posted by IdNod4u2
Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. Your hating the PLAYERS and not the game. Cotto isn't above it, he is part of it. Him and Pac and many others are on the same level...whatever that level may be to the player hater. That would be you. Here ya go
And people **** on them from different fan bases. However when it's Cotto, you defend it because he has the same flag as you.:ugh::puppy_dog:bottle:I can't take people like this...READ read!!!!!
I'll have that comment bookmarked for future use. You're going to set yourself up like you always do. :fing02:
Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. Your hating the PLAYERS and not the game. Cotto isn't above it, he is part of it. Him and Pac and many others are on the same level...whatever that level may be to the player hater. That would be you. Here ya go:bottle:
You're fucking retarded :lol1:
If I say I'm criticizing everyone who condones and does it I'm hating on everyone individually thus I'm hating the entire game by that logic.
How old are you man? If you're under 15 that would explain your attempt of insult by calling me a "player hater" and you fangirl like obsession with Cotto.
Why are you so inclined to defend Cotto? Why would you "hate" on people who want to see the fight happen? Do you not want to see it?
And people shit on them from different fan bases. However when it's Cotto, you defend it because he has the same flag as you.
Originally Posted by IdNod4u2
Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. Your hating the PLAYERS and not the game. Cotto isn't above it, he is part of it. Him and Pac and many others are on the same level...whatever that level may be to the player hater. That would be you. Here ya go
And people **** on them from different fan bases. However when it's Cotto, you defend it because he has the same flag as you.:ugh::puppy_dog:bottle:I can't take people like this...READ read!!!!!
Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. Your hating the PLAYERS and not the game. Cotto isn't above it, he is part of it. Him and Pac and many others are on the same level...whatever that level may be to the player hater. That would be you. Here ya go:bottle:
And people shit on them from different fan bases. However when it's Cotto, you defend it because he has the same flag as you.
Your saying two different things. I'm saying one.
If you believe Cotto is the second best in the middleweight division. Then I applaud you.
But I think he needs to leave the division and let the real middleweights scrap.
No I'm saying one. Read "Personally though" followed by the rest.
I was just answering your thread question on why some people. I told you what I see with them and followed by my own opinion.
This applies to everyone doing it and everyone condoning it. Since we're talking about Cotto here, he gets direct criticism. It's too bad you feel like Cotto is above it. Can't help you with that obsession man.
Oh I'm sorry. Let me rephrase. Your hating the PLAYERS and not the game. Cotto isn't above it, he is part of it. Him and Pac and many others are on the same level...whatever that level may be to the player hater. That would be you. Here ya go:bottle:
You hating the player instead of the game. Can't help you son.:puppy_dog
This applies to everyone doing it and everyone condoning it. Since we're talking about Cotto here, he gets direct criticism. It's too bad you feel like Cotto is above it. Can't help you with that obsession man.
Because people want to see the best fights possible either there or in the division. Wouldn't you want to know who's the best in the division? Just asking.
Personally though, I know Cotto just got there and he needs to develop his body for the division. If GGG were to fight him right now and beat him, I wouldn't give GGG much credit even if I'm a fan of his. The fight that makes the most sense is Canelo, a guy that has outgrown his division and needs to move up.
Your saying two different things. I'm saying one.
If you believe Cotto is the second best in the middleweight division. Then I applaud you.
But I think he needs to leave the division and let the real middleweights scrap.
So you condone fighters using bitch moves to make history?
Whatever man, people are treating championships as if they were a collector's item rather than something they should aspire and defend at all costs. You seem to be ok with that idea that it's ok to treat titles like pokemon, and a lot of us aren't.
You hating the player instead of the game. Can't help you son.:puppy_dog
Ward has some issues within his team. But its not on him to chase GGG, its on GGG to live up to his words, go to 168, and fight Ward. He may never get the Canelo or Cotto fights.
Ok but Ward has said he would go to lhw, then back tracked aswell. Do u think he needs to live up to his word??? And why is it like Ward is just sitting there waiting on GGG??? Move on bro. Don't u think he should???
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Because he should vacate. Simple. He made history like Pac did and left. He needs to do the same.
Now if he goes on to fight another middleweight I will say that's bull, but it hasn't happened so I shall reserve judgement instead of jumping the gun like some of us..
So you condone fighters using bitch moves to make history?
Whatever man, people are treating championships as if they were a collector's item rather than something they should aspire and defend at all costs. You seem to be ok with that idea that it's ok to treat titles like pokemon, and a lot of us aren't.
Because people want to see the best fights possible either there or in the division. Wouldn't you want to know who's the best in the division? Just asking.
Personally though, I know Cotto just got there and he needs to develop his body for the division. If GGG were to fight him right now and beat him, I wouldn't give GGG much credit even if I'm a fan of his. The fight that makes the most sense is Canelo, a guy that has outgrown his division and needs to move up.
So Cotto should be held into a different standard where he's not supposed to fight the best in his division? He gets a pass because he's a small 154 lb fighter who just happens to hold a 160lb title?
Better question is, why are you against the fight?
One second while I get my calculator and notepad out.
Because he should vacate. Simple. He made history like Pac did and left. He needs to do the same.
Now if he goes on to fight another middleweight I will say that's bull, but it hasn't happened so I shall reserve judgement instead of jumping the gun like some of us..
Ward has some issues within his team. But its not on him to chase GGG, its on GGG to live up to his words, go to 168, and fight Ward. He may never get the Canelo or Cotto fights.
I think that fight will absolutely happen. Maybe end of next year or so. It's not like Ward is some PPV star himself. He needs to get his house in order and get active against big names as well.