Which division is better? 160 or 154

I'm not creating a champion, GGG is a long time WBA champion that was openly avoided by the champ Martinez. Martinez had a few dodgy decisions in between, was out of the ring - had basically one foot to stand on and was beating by a 154'er who will go down there again. Sturm wanted nothing to do with him aswell.

Yeah, and Hopkins beat pavlik before pavlik fought martinez. I don't care who he beat. You miss the point entirely. He beat pav at 170...that's lt. Heavy not middleweight You have no valid point besides arguing ggg is something he is not

what does what you are saying have to do with who the REAL champion is... Really what does that WBA title mean? Do you even know who he beat for it? NO name Milton Nunez....for the interim belt at that....He never beat the super WBA titleholder(which is a joke 2 belts for one organization) They gave it to him I think because Sturm or Geale didnt fight him I believe Its this simple.....cotto beat martinez, who beat Pavlik, who beat Taylor, who beat Hopkins(who earned his title beating Trinidad, Keith Holmes, and unifying all the belts) GGG has not done that so essentially you are creating a title Yeah, and Hopkins beat pavlik before pavlik fought martinez. I don't care who he beat. You miss the point entirely.

I'm not creating a champion, GGG is a long time WBA champion that was openly avoided by the champ Martinez. Martinez had a few dodgy decisions in between, was out of the ring - had basically one foot to stand on and was beating by a 154'er who will go down there again. what does what you are saying have to do with who the REAL champion is... Really what does that WBA title mean? Do you even know who he beat for it? NO name Milton Nunez....for the interim belt at that....He never beat the super WBA titleholder(which is a joke 2 belts for one organization) They gave it to him I think because Sturm or Geale didnt fight him I believe Its this simple.....cotto beat martinez, who beat Pavlik, who beat Taylor, who beat Hopkins(who earned his title beating Trinidad, Keith Holmes, and unifying all the belts) GGG has not done that so essentially you are creating a title

We can agree to disagree....Whats insane is creating a champion when there already is one. Again GGG has not beaten everyone either but you are anointing him. Cotto is an active true champion.,..there is no difference I'm not creating a champion, GGG is a long time WBA champion that was openly avoided by the champ Martinez. Martinez had a few dodgy decisions in between, was out of the ring - had basically one foot to stand on and was beating by a 154'er who will go down there again.

How the hell have I contradicted myself when I say that I do believe in the man who beat the man, but I say there are exceptions - as in the examples I gave you like Briggs, Tyson and Liston. Holyfield was considered champ in '97 - so basically what you're saying is that lineage always mean the true champ. It's not so my friend, i'm sorry to break it too you, but it's not that black and white. And no it's not at all the same as the the two cases you put forward. Not at all. It's not about liking someone - it's about a genuine title holder who's being avoided whilst fighting the rest of the group. I haven't seen Thurman fight all the other contenders whilst Mayweather doesn't fight. This is a lot more like Froch/Ward than it is anything else. But still different. Not at all the same again, and Matthysse didn't beat "everyone else besides the true champion" :lol1: That's just insane. He beat the other title holder, but there was an active true champion in Garcia who had beaten Khan to take the ring belt. Cotto beat a dirty old Martinez, and will probably go down to 154. I guess GGG will never make champ at 160 in your opinion. We can agree to disagree....Whats insane is creating a champion when there already is one. Again GGG has not beaten everyone either but you are anointing him. Cotto is an active true champion.,..there is no difference

no matter how you slice it, you have to beat the champion to be the champion, not look good against everyone else. You contradicted yourself. You cant change history to your liking. Unless he beats Cotto or Cotto vacates, he will remain the champion you cant dispute facts Liston and Tyson went on and earned the title. GGG has to do the same you cant get no title based off reputation People that dont know **** about boxing considered Holyfield the champion. A win over Tyson did not make him champion...Tyson beat Bruce Seldon and Frank Bruno who were not the champ. Bigs got a dec. over the man that beat the man. Lewis Later cleared all that up by beating both Holyfield and Briggs. Regardless of what you may prefer you cant dispute facts. Thats like me saying Thurman is the welterweight champion because he "looks" the most dangerous. Mayweather is the champion, cant dispute that, he beat the man. I may prefer Kovalev, it still dont change that Adonis Stevenson is the champion until he loses. How the hell have I contradicted myself when I say that I do believe in the man who beat the man, but I say there are exceptions - as in the examples I gave you like Briggs, Tyson and Liston. Holyfield was considered champ in '97 - so basically what you're saying is that lineage always mean the true champ. It's not so my friend, i'm sorry to break it too you, but it's not that black and white. And no it's not at all the same as the the two cases you put forward. Not at all. It's not about liking someone - it's about a genuine title holder who's being avoided whilst fighting the rest of the group. I haven't seen Thurman fight all the other contenders whilst Mayweather doesn't fight. This is a lot more like Froch/Ward than it is anything else. But still different. Remember when everyone anointed Lucas Mattyssee after beating everyone besides the True champion....he went on to loose to the real champion You just cant give a guy a title, another guy earned in the ring....put yourself in Cotto's, Garcia's, and Mayweather's shoes...they earned it. GGG is the rightful number one contender Nothing more or less:boxing: Not at all the same again, and Matthysse didn't beat "everyone else besides the true champion" :lol1: That's just insane. He beat the other title holder, but there was an active true champion in Garcia who had beaten Khan to take the ring belt. Cotto beat a dirty old Martinez, and will probably go down to 154. I guess GGG will never make champ at 160 in your opinion.

154 by a landslide. 154 has a lot more talent and a lot more makeable fights. I don't see Cotto taking on GGG in his next couple of fights. He'll take on Canelo and then Floyd if he beats Canelo (speculation of course). The only big money fight out there for GGG is Canelo as well. Can't deny the guys fan base.

Remember when everyone anointed Lucas Mattyssee after beating everyone besides the True champion....he went on to loose to the real champion You just cant give a guy a title, another guy earned in the ring....put yourself in Cotto's, Garcia's, and Mayweather's shoes...they earned it. GGG is the rightful number one contender Nothing more or less:boxing:

Dude I hold true to the word that the man who beats the man is the champ. But there are some cases when that's not true. Remember when Mike Tyson was undisputed champ going up against Spinks? Most people recognized Tyson as the true champ. Liston before Patterson as well. Or when Briggs "beat" Foreman in '97, but Holyfield had the two belts and Lewis had the one. Nobody considered Briggs as the true champ, they considered Holyfield to be that. And in this case, when GGG is avoided like the plague by most of the guys at MW, and a 154 lber is beating the crippled version of 'the champ', I think he's rightly known as the MW champ - especially considering that Cotto will probably not make a career at MW. no matter how you slice it, you have to beat the champion to be the champion, not look good against everyone else. You contradicted yourself. You cant change history to your liking. Unless he beats Cotto or Cotto vacates, he will remain the champion you cant dispute facts Liston and Tyson went on and earned the title. GGG has to do the same you cant get no title based off reputation People that dont know **** about boxing considered Holyfield the champion. A win over Tyson did not make him champion...Tyson beat Bruce Seldon and Frank Bruno who were not the champ. Bigs got a dec. over the man that beat the man. Lewis Later cleared all that up by beating both Holyfield and Briggs. Regardless of what you may prefer you cant dispute facts. Thats like me saying Thurman is the welterweight champion because he "looks" the most dangerous. Mayweather is the champion, cant dispute that, he beat the man. I may prefer Kovalev, it still dont change that Adonis Stevenson is the champion until he loses.

They dont know **** about boxing World championships are won in the ring, not message boards He is the class of a fairly weak division but he has to earn the distinction of being the man like everybody else. For all the politics in boxing, their is one thing that will never change...you have to beat the champion, to be the champion. You gotta earn it. Dude I hold true to the word that the man who beats the man is the champ. But there are some cases when that's not true. Remember when Mike Tyson was undisputed champ going up against Spinks? Most people recognized Tyson as the true champ. Liston before Patterson as well. Or when Briggs "beat" Foreman in '97, but Holyfield had the two belts and Lewis had the one. Nobody considered Briggs as the true champ, they considered Holyfield to be that. And in this case, when GGG is avoided like the plague by most of the guys at MW, and a 154 lber is beating the crippled version of 'the champ', I think he's rightly known as the MW champ - especially considering that Cotto will probably not make a career at MW.

JMW is strong in the Americas... MW is strong outside the Americas. ... hence the difference...

No he doesn't beat everyone from 154... he massacres them in style and smiles and gives cringey interviews about it after. What's cringey about his interviews? I think he has the best post-fight interviews in boxing.

160 clearly has the best fighter, 154 has the main star attraction in Canelo... How about Canelo steps up and fights him? Catchweight for that fight. GGG on PPV would be the start of something good.

lol gtfo. most people with an ounce of working brain-cells would recognize GGG as the champ. They dont know **** about boxing World championships are won in the ring, not message boards He is the class of a fairly weak division but he has to earn the distinction of being the man like everybody else. For all the politics in boxing, their is one thing that will never change...you have to beat the champion, to be the champion. You gotta earn it.

I don't think GGG beats everyone at 154. However, if those 154 pound fighters move up to 160 then yes he does. If he goes down to 154 then no. No he doesn't beat everyone from 154... he massacres them in style and smiles and gives cringey interviews about it after.

160 clearly has the best fighter, 154 has the main star attraction in Canelo... How about Canelo steps up and fights him?

GGG is not the champion....he is a titleholder...HUGE difference. You cant anoint somebody in a weight class that already has a true champion...the man that beat the man. Until he beats Cotto(he should be favored) he is nothing more than the number one contender. lol gtfo. most people with an ounce of working brain-cells would recognize GGG as the champ.

154 no question about it. But 160 has the most exciting champion in my opinion.

I don't think GGG beats everyone at 154. However, if those 154 pound fighters move up to 160 then yes he does. If he goes down to 154 then no.