those thudding bodys shots to lara where a gift from his Creator also the knock down of trout.It was scary, how Lara didn't go down is a mistery to me he most have a granite body,
At 23 IF Mayweather was choosing the same fights that Canelo is same age etc...
Mayweather would of lost once or twice by then and that is most definitely a fact.
thats because he was fighting at 130lbs dumbass.
if you are talking about class alone you are plain wrong. floyds caliber of opponents holds up to canelos at that age. hernandez, corrales, manfredy.. and he won every round against all of them, dominated every round before stopping all three of them.
compare that to canelo getting a gift against lara and a whole lot of help against trout. i mean he won after 12, but if the judges hadnt screwed trout in the early rounds forcing him to change his style with the open scoring who knows.
the only one you got left is.. floyd.. p4p thats an interesting matchup. young flyd at 130 could punch and he was much more mobile and threw more punches. older floyd is more experienced and intelligent.. i would go with young floyd.
ali, tyson, patterson, benitez, sal sanchez, hearns and floyd were more accomplished at 23 off the top of my head.
there are many more out there though. fighters turned pro much younger back in the day and accomplished a lot more early, part of the reason fighters have more longevity today.
but considering his era its rather impressive canelo has achieved so much so young since he is competing against guys older than him but still in their physical prime.
Good point. Historically what he's done doesn't really stand out. But in this day in age where fighters are all about that 0, it's refreshing to see a "big name" young fighter willing to fight the best regardless of their popularity.
At 23 IF Mayweather was choosing the same fights that Canelo is same age etc...
Mayweather would of lost once or twice by then and that is most definitely a fact.
Once again, you show you DKSAB.
Floyd had already fought and beat three of the top guys in his weight class when he was Canelo's age. And he didn't just beat them, he dominated all three of them.
Canelo barely beat Lara and Trout, and got schooled by Floyd.
ali, tyson, patterson, benitez, sal sanchez, hearns and floyd were more accomplished at 23 off the top of my head.
there are many more out there though. fighters turned pro much younger back in the day and accomplished a lot more early, part of the reason fighters have more longevity today.
but considering his era its rather impressive canelo has achieved so much so young since he is competing against guys older than him but still in their physical prime.
If you credit Mepranum for Estrada you have to count guys like Mosley, Cintron, and Baldomir for Canelo. And Canelo beat Miguel Vazquez (135 pound champ) twice early in his career.
Canelo: Lara, Angulo, Mayweather (Loss), Trout, Mosley, Cintron, Baldomir, Vazquez x2.
Estrada: Mepranum, Melindo, Viloria, Gonzalez (Loss), Sanchez Jr. (Loss)
I give Canelo the edge in resume so far, but both him and Gallito are two of my favorites. They're both willing to take on anybody.
We should get fireworks in their next fights with Estrada vs. Segura and Canelo vs. Kirkland.
I see your point, oh then we can add Ardin Diale to Estrada. So i guess Estrada and Canelo can be seen in a similar manner in terms of accomplishments. Sure Floyd and Lara are amongst the best skilled boxers in the world but so are Viloria(at the time) and Roman Gonzalez. Trout and Melindo are similar wins except Trout was defending and Melindo was attempting to dethrone, and Angulo/Mepranum are both limited fighters who can pull off some upsets with their given assets. Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr is the Miguel Vasquez of Estrada's career, etc.. etc.. PFP I gauge Estrada over Canelo as an over all fighter but I retract my comments and stand corrected. God job on your post and valid points of argument.
Amazing what Canelo has done at Age 23 has anyone done as much as him current or past greats?
Wilfredo Benitez has the best resume ever in boxing for youngsters..
At 23 IF Mayweather was choosing the same fights that Canelo is same age etc...
Mayweather would of lost once or twice by then and that is most definitely a fact.
This post right here shows your lack of knowledge about Floyd..he is considered by many as the best 130 fighter ever
again if its only one win then you can make the case, but even canelo beating lara is just as complicated and with much more less reward than estrada taking on viloria... thats the difference i see, estrada had nothing to lose vs viloria , and canelo was on a lose lose situation vs the likes of trout or lara..
but i repeat i think estradas win is great, but he needs continue fighting elite fighters...
He has been. He beat Viloria when he was given little to no chance in doing so, and in a dominating fashion. He fought Roman Gonzalez and lost, not an excuse but he had to drop down to 108 to get the fight, a weight he wasn't comfortable in and is a major drop in the lower weights. He lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr in his earlier fights and he went on to be a champion at 115 and is a big fish in a small pond(Tete got in dat ass doe). Milan Melindo was ranked and was a great undefeated fighter whom also had nothing to lose and everything to gain against Estrada. Very technically sound and genuinely gifted fighter whom Estrada dominated in the second half of the fight. He fought Mepranum and stopped him, he is a journeyman but has a victory over a prime Hernan Tysonito Marquez and is now fighting and defending his crowns against Giovani Segura in September. If anything Estrada and Canelo are in the same boat or I slightly edge Gallito.
Canelo - Trout, Floyd, Angulo and Lara
Estrada - Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr, Roman Gonzalez, Viloria, Melindo, Mepranum and soon to add Segura.
yeah.. Divine has a decent foundation for his argument.
okay so buster douglas has that one win, but look at all that wlad has done and accomplished. if canelo can unify multiple titles like wlad and be considered (without a doubt) the #1 guy in the division, dominating all top contenders for his belts then yes his resume will trump estrada's one win against viloria, but canelo hasn't done that and never was close to doing that.
his WBC belt was gifted to him, he won the WBA regular belt which is a mediocre belt, and he never deserved the ring belt either.
canelo barely scraped by against lara and trout (many people thought he didn't really deserve neither) and he didn't even won one round against floyd. angulo was coming off a loss and not ranked in the top ten at 154, and everyone else were bloated and past prime jww's and ww's. that's not a very good resume when you look at it.
Trout and Lara lost so get over it The Floyd loss was a scam to fool the idiots who have no clue in what weight draining does to a fighter I cut weight one time I was boxing like a dead man lost got knock down. I move up in weight and never lost an amateur bout again so until Floyd and Canelo ever fight again 154or 160 with no catch weights. Why do you think Canelo said 155 to Lara and to fight at 152 the guy was a zombie
Many fighters have accomplished more by the same age. Billy Conn, Wilfred Benitez and Mike Tyson are just a few that jump to mind. This is not a bad reflection on Alverez though. I love the way he fights and his willingness to take tough fights. He's certainly a throw back fighter himself.
Salvador Sanchez, at age of 23 he already was a legend and HOF
At the age of 23, Floyd already had wins over Corrales, Manfredy, and G. Hernandez, three of the top guys at SFW. and he dominated all three of them.
case closed...
At 23 IF Mayweather was choosing the same fights that Canelo is same age etc...
Mayweather would of lost once or twice by then and that is most definitely a fact.
Amazing what Canelo has done at Age 23 has anyone done as much as him current or past greats?
Wilfred Benetiez age 17 world champ Pipino Cuavas world Champ age 18 Mike Tyson world champ age 20 what did all these people have in common they were all has Been's by age 25
hes good and has room to grow but 2 of his biggest wins have been controversial, i was at the trout fight and it was closer than close! he lost to Lara but i woulda accepted a draw he just needs to keep getting better, if this is as good as he will be, he will lose eventually! hes fighting the top in his division though!!
okay so buster douglas has that one win, but look at all that wlad has done and accomplished. if canelo can unify multiple titles like wlad and be considered (without a doubt) the #1 guy in the division, dominating all top contenders for his belts then yes his resume will trump estrada's one win against viloria, but canelo hasn't done that and never was close to doing that.
his WBC belt was gifted to him, he won the WBA regular belt which is a mediocre belt, and he never deserved the ring belt either.
canelo barely scraped by against lara and trout (many people thought he didn't really deserve neither) and he didn't even won one round against floyd. angulo was coming off a loss and not ranked in the top ten at 154, and everyone else were bloated and past prime jww's and ww's. that's not a very good resume when you look at it.
again if its only one win then you can make the case, but even canelo beating lara is just as complicated and with much more less reward than estrada taking on viloria... thats the difference i see, estrada had nothing to lose vs viloria , and canelo was on a lose lose situation vs the likes of trout or lara..
but i repeat i think estradas win is great, but he needs continue fighting elite fighters...
Salvador Sanchez, at age of 23 he already was a legend and HOF
This^^^^ He was a HOF already at a young age, Sanchez beat the best in his division.
Ruben Castillo, Laporte, LiL red Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, Zoom Zoom.
There where talks of him and Arguello fighting, he was on his way to be a true ATG.
juan francisco estrada's one win against viloria is better than anything canelo has done.
if that is the case then buster douglas has a better resume than klitshko ,we are talking about resumes, not one win.. but that is such an accomplishment too.. anyways what makes this resume special is that canelo generates money and doesnt need any high risk low reward fights but he will take em...
He's 24 , historically doesn't really stand out. In this current era it's hard to think of an active fighter who fought better opposition at his age.
Floyd, Manny, Ioka. Not many but there are enough.
The truth hurts ya'll more than the "loss" hurt me. :lol1:
It must be really disappointing knowing that one of your favorite fighters is a damn fraud. He's getting up there on Fraud Mayweather's level. :lol1:
im not the one crying on the forums, a close boring fight is not a fraud, what is a fraud is what lara did to everyone, people paid hard earned money to watch a fight and lara comes on his bike, i will break your face, if you catch me...