Pacquiao on the c side of his career?

If we look at it that wyay you have to consider that Marquez ONLY fought Bradley because Bradley had the welterwight title and Marquez was chasing the 5th title in 5 divisions, he would have won it from Pacquiao if Pacquiao didnt get robbed in the first Bradley fight so Maqruez Bradley would have never happened, That robbery altered the P4P list. I cant act like Bradley was really that good, so if he lost to Pacquiao, never fought marquez and then fought Ruslan who was fresh off of ESPN firday night fights... Bradley doesnt even sniff top 10 P4P. ^ some true **** right there.. Rios .. Bradley ... These guys show manny is on the c side physically .. I need to see a real top 10 win from PAC

Bradley-Khan would be a good matchup. Damn, hope this cold war BS ends soon. We can debate this all we want. But we wouldn't know anything for sure until these guys face each other. I might be one of the few that believe Arum has no interest in staging anything other than in house fights for his company and simply wanted to get in Oscars ear when Oscar presented the oppurtunity for him to do so, to get rid of Richard and wipe out the competeition.. now Oscar doesnt even know whos under GBP and I bet Arum is smiling especially when the likes of Thurman and others said they would consider Top Rank.

Well you think more highly of Bradley than I do so ofcourse you wont agree since you legitimately believe hes the 3rd best welterweight(even though I disagree) however most just say it to add to Pacquiaos win. I dont think he beats Khan IMO because Khan relies on SPEED while Pacquiao used his boxing ability plus speed to bother Bradley, and you even mention that speed is what did Bradley in. Bradley is tough, I wont argue that, Ward still says that was his toughest fight even though they were like 14 years old. My whole argument was that Pound for Pound was made to rate fighters that were in different weight classes head to head by skill and some mention to resume and popularity, and Bradley wasnt that high on my list compare to Martinez, Ward, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Rigo, Wlad and others. The same people who claim bradley was legit top 3 are the same ones who bashed him saying Ruslan beat him and got robbed prior to the Pacquiao rematch then use that win to justify his P4P ranking after the Pacquiao rematch.. alot of people flip flop and thats fact, not opinion. Bradley-Khan would be a good matchup. Damn, hope this cold war BS ends soon. We can debate this all we want. But we wouldn't know anything for sure until these guys face each other.

Martinez and Ward are in different weight classes obviously. Though Ward and Bradley fought in the amateurs. The Bradley that fought PAC the first 5 rounds in PAC-Bradley 2 is tough to beat. He fought stupid in the 2nd half (last 6-7 rounds of the fight) PAC did make adjustments which Bradley acknowledged. And Bradley got injured. I'm not sure which played a bigger role. Based on what we seen from Bradley against JMM and that first 5 rounds against PAC, ...I'd favor him over any other welter. He hasn't been knocked out before so you'd have to outbox Bradley to win. It's just a matter of Bradley staying disciplined and staying mentally in it. If he's disciplined (as he was a full 12 rounds with JMM), IMO he beats those welters you mentioned (Amir, Porter, Thurman, Guerrero) Well you think more highly of Bradley than I do so ofcourse you wont agree since you legitimately believe hes the 3rd best welterweight(even though I disagree) however most just say it to add to Pacquiaos win. I dont think he beats Khan IMO because Khan relies on SPEED while Pacquiao used his boxing ability plus speed to bother Bradley, and you even mention that speed is what did Bradley in. Bradley is tough, I wont argue that, Ward still says that was his toughest fight even though they were like 14 years old. My whole argument was that Pound for Pound was made to rate fighters that were in different weight classes head to head by skill and some mention to resume and popularity, and Bradley wasnt that high on my list compare to Martinez, Ward, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Rigo, Wlad and others. The same people who claim bradley was legit top 3 are the same ones who bashed him saying Ruslan beat him and got robbed prior to the Pacquiao rematch then use that win to justify his P4P ranking after the Pacquiao rematch.. alot of people flip flop and thats fact, not opinion.

Martinez and Ward are in different weight classes obviously. Though Ward and Bradley fought in the amateurs. The Bradley that fought PAC the first 5 rounds in PAC-Bradley 2 is tough to beat. He fought stupid in the 2nd half (last 6-7 rounds of the fight) PAC did make adjustments which Bradley acknowledged. And Bradley got injured. I'm not sure which played a bigger role. Based on what we seen from Bradley against JMM and that first 5 rounds against PAC, ...I'd favor him over any other welter. He hasn't been knocked out before so you'd have to outbox Bradley to win. It's just a matter of Bradley staying disciplined and staying mentally in it. If he's disciplined (as he was a full 12 rounds with JMM), IMO he beats those welters you mentioned (Amir, Porter, Thurman, Guerrero)

Ok maybe you don't hate PAC. I just figured the way you talk (type) , you sound childish. Making counter attacks calling people worshippers.." you can't even read".... calling people "lame". Attacking other posters like that,... and the basis of your argument... It just seemed typical hater crap. So if I was wrong...SORRY. You just sounded childish to me. That was avalid observation because the poster clearly jumped at me without even understanding what the conversation was about, once I pointed it out its no coincidence he stopped responding, so I dont take that back. Yes people sounded like worshippers because they want to believe Bradley was the 2nd best fighter in the world behind Mayweather just to add to Pacquiaos win, I found that silly.. once again my opinion and people forget P4P is subjective its not even all about resume so that argument is eaisly countered, if the weight is the same, how would said fighters skills match up against the other top fighters in the world, thats the premise of Pound for Pound, not who has the best resume by being gifted wins.. everyone forgets this..if based solely on resume then robbieres completely alter the list, pound for pound if weight was the same I dont think bradley defeats Pacquiao, Martinez, Andre Ward,Mayweather.. therefore I stick to my guns that hes not ranked THAT high in my eyes.

Amir Khan, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Marcos Maidana, heck even Guerrero has a chance against Bradley. The buck doesnt stop at Top Rank, people forget theres other welterweights. We gave reasons why Bradley was ranked... which you keep on disputing.. Not who is capable of beating Bradley. Either way, none of those guys you listed have a win comparable to Bradley's win over another P4P fighter. That's how it works. You beat another P4P fighter who's coming off a hyped win over another P4P fighter... then you get ranked high. Simple.

Do I know you? where did I say I hate pacquaio? You guys are didnt even realize the poster who responded to me started the WHAT IF game so I answered his question, you guys read one post and go on and on without even looking back at what started the conversation. If I dont think bradley was THAT high on the P4P list because he truly lost to Pacquiao thats my opinion, you guys look silly trying to convince me otherwise because P4P is subjective and he wasnt that high on my list. Ok maybe you don't hate PAC. I just figured the way you talk (type) , you sound childish. Making counter attacks calling people worshippers.." you can't even read".... calling people "lame". Attacking other posters like that,... and the basis of your argument... It just seemed typical hater crap. So if I was wrong...SORRY. You just sounded childish to me.

He was ranked #3 after a FOTY win against Provodnikov and beating a P4P fighter in JMM who was coming off the PAC win. It's all about styles. JMM beats PAC. Bradley clearly beats JMM. PAC clearly beats Bradley twice. Other than Floyd and PAC, it's hard to name a welterweight that would beat Bradley. Tim just can't handle PAC's speed over 12 rounds. Amir Khan, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Marcos Maidana, heck even Guerrero has a chance against Bradley. The buck doesnt stop at Top Rank, people forget theres other welterweights.

What are you talking about? you sound like a worshipper.. you are desperately clinging onto the notion that Pacquiao beat a top 3 ranked P4P fighter SO bad that you dont even know what you are mad at. Stop sticking your nose in posts you dont understand and you will sound less stupid. You are forgetting Bardley was gifted the #3 because he was ranked high after being gifted the pacquiao win and it doesnt even matter, I just pointed out how stupid people sound when they say Pacquiao won the first fight then beat a top 3 fighter in the rematch, you dont have to cry about it.. people have opinions just grow up. He was ranked #3 after a FOTY win against Provodnikov and beating a P4P fighter in JMM who was coming off the PAC win. It's all about styles. JMM beats PAC. Bradley clearly beats JMM. PAC clearly beats Bradley twice. Other than Floyd and PAC, it's hard to name a welterweight that would beat Bradley. Tim just can't handle PAC's speed over 12 rounds.

You guys take fanboism to a new level... seriously, Getting all worked up because someone thought Pacquiao won a fight. Thats what it all boils down to.. people jump out like "BUT PAC BEAT A VERY TOP FIGHTER IN THE WORLD HATERRR" when my argument was that pacquiao made that fighter famous by being robbed by him, pacquiao is one my favorite fighters but you guys make it disgraceful to be a fan of his with the UNBELIEVABLE jock riding he has on these forums, you all make it that if you dont worship him, you are a hater of his. everything they say about the Pacquiao and Mayweather fanboy clubs is true.

wtf is a "c side"? :lol1: I would think being scraped off the canvas like a roadkill was the "c side." http://i.imgur.com/6jydSUS.jpg4

You are rambling on with gibberish..with WHAT if's...blah blah blah. Bad decisions, robberies happen. Bradley clearly defeated Marquez and even with the robbery against PAC, he had a solid resume. Thus, he was clearly rightfully ranked in the top 10. JMM was ranked in the P4P rankings. Thus put..2 and 2 together. You trying to discredit Bradley, just because PAC (whom you hate) beat him. Do I know you? where did I say I hate pacquaio? You guys are didnt even realize the poster who responded to me started the WHAT IF game so I answered his question, you guys read one post and go on and on without even looking back at what started the conversation. If I dont think bradley was THAT high on the P4P list because he truly lost to Pacquiao thats my opinion, you guys look silly trying to convince me otherwise because P4P is subjective and he wasnt that high on my list.

you're confusing everything with hypotheticals. everything is simple and less insane if you just accept the fact that bradley was ranked #3 p4p and #2 best welterweight after beating marquez. pacquiao beat a highly ranked p4p fighter. there is no hypotheticals and what ifs about it. stop being so mad when people recognize the truth. if you learn to recognize the truth yourself then maybe you might be less mad. now i'll leave it at that. find peace in the truth. What are you talking about? you sound like a worshipper.. you are desperately clinging onto the notion that Pacquiao beat a top 3 ranked P4P fighter SO bad that you dont even know what you are mad at. Stop sticking your nose in posts you dont understand and you will sound less stupid. You are forgetting Bardley was gifted the #3 because he was ranked high after being gifted the pacquiao win and it doesnt even matter, I just pointed out how stupid people sound when they say Pacquiao won the first fight then beat a top 3 fighter in the rematch, you dont have to cry about it.. people have opinions just grow up.

You cant even read. I said if Pacquiao didnt get robbed in the first bradley fight, and marquez won the title when he knocked out Pacquiao which means Bardley marqeuz wouldnt have happened, then Bradley wouldnt have been a top 10 P4P fighter. Ofcourse he DID fight Marquez, but he asked "What if Bradley officially lost" that question already took the conversation into La La land because bradley officially won so I answered his question accordingly, we were playing the what if game and I responded, stop responding because your IQ is dropping.. you are mad for no reason, get your wet wipes. You are rambling on with gibberish..with WHAT if's...blah blah blah. Bad decisions, robberies happen. Bradley clearly defeated Marquez and even with the robbery against PAC, he had a solid resume. Thus, he was clearly rightfully ranked in the top 10. JMM was ranked in the P4P rankings. Thus put..2 and 2 together. You trying to discredit Bradley, just because PAC (whom you hate) beat him.

almost all credible boxing publications had bradley ranked #3 p4p. to say he wasn't even top ten p4p is pure hate and you need to get that fixed for your own sanity. You cant even read. I said if Pacquiao didnt get robbed in the first bradley fight, and marquez won the title when he knocked out Pacquiao which means Bardley marqeuz wouldnt have happened, then Bradley wouldnt have been a top 10 P4P fighter. Ofcourse he DID fight Marquez, but he asked "What if Bradley officially lost" that question already took the conversation into La La land because bradley officially won so I answered his question accordingly, we were playing the what if game and I responded, stop responding because your IQ is dropping.. you are mad for no reason, get your wet wipes.

You're a lame. You're mad at someones opinon, If I was hating Pacquiao all Id have to do is discuss the Algeri fight, stop crying noone is pissing in your idols cereal. yes, i can dislike Bradley and not give him credit, Im not a sheep I dont have to like him because the media tells me to, I can form my own opinions.

bradley didn't become #3 p4p for getting a gift against manny. he was placed at #3 p4p after beating the former #3 p4p/fighter of the year marquez. why does it make you so mad to recognize the truth? pac beat #3 p4p ranked bradley. every credible boxing publication had bradley ranked in the top 3-4. LOL.. pretty much sums it up right here.

Why would I be mad? You know P4P isnt official right? Its completely subjective I just dont give Bradley THAT much credit on MY list. Pacquiao beat Bradley easily.

If we look at it that wyay you have to consider that Marquez ONLY fought Bradley because Bradley had the welterwight title and Marquez was chasing the 5th title in 5 divisions, he would have won it from Pacquiao if Pacquiao didnt get robbed in the first Bradley fight so Maqruez Bradley would have never happened, That robbery altered the P4P list. I cant act like Bradley was really that good, so if he lost to Pacquiao, never fought marquez and then fought Ruslan who was fresh off of ESPN firday night fights... Bradley doesnt even sniff top 10 P4P. why are u twisting the question? just answer it. if bradley did lose to manny but he went on and beat ruslan and marquez so where should he be ranked prior to the rematch with manny?