Canelo, the critics, the failure to realize:

Canelo needs work and i think he will get better, hes young and has time to improve, if he doesnt improve he will lose eventually and soon, thing thats good about him is this... he is fighting top competitionhe is not going to improve, he is 24 years old but has being fighting for almost 10 years and he hasn't learn by now,

Well. They do. Canelo is the future cash cow and the fighter of choice if a guy wants that payday, so there is a long queue for guys who wanna fight him, so you do have to do something to ''earn'' that fight. So does Andre Ward, Carl Froch, Sakio Bika and Arthur Abraham have to earn a shot at Chavez Jr? It's the same principle, these guys are already at the same level or actually above Chavez despite his greater marketability. They don't have to earn anything.

Anything to discredit Floyd eh lmao. No, I give Canelo credit. Personally, I thought he beat Lara and Trout. Where I take issue is the notion that anyone has to "earn" the right to fight him, particularly not those who have been doing it a lot longer and been winning more convincingly. Trout was more proven when he fought Canelo, he didn't have to earn it. Same goes for Lara, and the same goes for Carlos Molina and to Kirkland. Canelo is not above these guys, he's the same level, if not slightly below due to inexperience.

i hate when people say I am "insert nationality here " in order to validate their score. anyway respect canelo's ambition to take on all fighters probably needs a new trainer and lara didnt throw enough because he didnt want to risk getting caught, otherwise he would've fought more like he did against angulo and trout. The only reason canelo takes on anyone is because he knows his daddy oscar bought him the judges already

canelo is iight

Who are these people? People wanted to see Canelo vs. Trout because Trout earned it by beating Cotto. People wanted to see Canelo vs. Lara because Lara earned it by beating Trout and Angulo. It has nothing to do with their styles. What has Kirkland done to earn his shot besides sit on his ass, criticize his trainer and ***** about boxing politics? If you want these action fighters to get big opportunities then they need to earn it just like everybody else does. Since when did anyone have to earn a shot at Canelo? he's not even a champion and arguably lost three of his last four fights. It's not much different to earning a shot at Chavez Jr and no one ever says that. The guy doesn't even fight in his supposed weight class.

I agree. Where was Canelo's aggression in the fight? All I saw was him getting outboxed all night. "The body shots doe" they mostly landed on his arm. I scored it 8-4 Lara and I am Mexican. In my opinion, Lara could have done better. He didn't throw enough. He could have easily dominated Nelo but it is what it is. i hate when people say I am "insert nationality here " in order to validate their score. anyway respect canelo's ambition to take on all fighters probably needs a new trainer and lara didnt throw enough because he didnt want to risk getting caught, otherwise he would've fought more like he did against angulo and trout.

I agree. Lara was way too negative, no way to spin it. With that said, if one scores the fight favoring the boxer , Lara won. If one decides to penalize Lara for not committing enough, which is not part of the official criteria but still has an impact , then one can see it as a draw or a very, very close W for Canelo. But Canelo's aggression wasn't effective, it wasn't even aggression in my opinion, he was literally following Lara. Saul did not outwork Lara, they both threw little. He surely did not outbox Lara. He wasn't dictating the pace , so no ring generalship. If Lara didn't do enough to win the fight in terms of aggression at least he still had the edge in defense, ring generalship and landed the cleanest punches. To answer the TS (new) question about beating Canelo in a fight: probably not too many apart from GGG (and Chavez Jr if he can dehydadrate his arse back to 160 again, which I doubt), but it is rather irrelevant in my opinion. Who can beat Provodnikov, Maidana or even Rios in a 'fight' around their weight classes?. Even an aggressive fighter like Pac used speed and footwork to beat Rios, he wasn't there to trade bombs. TS, no offense, but you remind me of Ruben Guerrero at times , although much more well spoken :D I agree. Where was Canelo's aggression in the fight? All I saw was him getting outboxed all night. "The body shots doe" they mostly landed on his arm. I scored it 8-4 Lara and I am Mexican. In my opinion, Lara could have done better. He didn't throw enough. He could have easily dominated Nelo but it is what it is.

Great point! But this is not how fights are scored. I agree. Lara was way too negative, no way to spin it. With that said, if one scores the fight favoring the boxer , Lara won. If one decides to penalize Lara for not committing enough, which is not part of the official criteria but still has an impact , then one can see it as a draw or a very, very close W for Canelo. But Canelo's aggression wasn't effective, it wasn't even aggression in my opinion, he was literally following Lara. Saul did not outwork Lara, they both threw little. He surely did not outbox Lara. He wasn't dictating the pace , so no ring generalship. If Lara didn't do enough to win the fight in terms of aggression at least he still had the edge in defense, ring generalship and landed the cleanest punches. To answer the TS (new) question about beating Canelo in a fight: probably not too many apart from GGG (and Chavez Jr if he can dehydadrate his arse back to 160 again, which I doubt), but it is rather irrelevant in my opinion. Who can beat Provodnikov, Maidana or even Rios in a 'fight' around their weight classes?. Even an aggressive fighter like Pac used speed and footwork to beat Rios, he wasn't there to trade bombs. TS, no offense, but you remind me of Ruben Guerrero at times , although much more well spoken :D

Lara lost the fight more than Canelo won it. The fight was Lara's, he needed to let his hands to more to win convincingly. Great point! But this is not how fights are scored.

Lara lost the fight more than Canelo won it. The fight was Lara's, he needed to let his hands to more to win convincingly.

Marquez can actually cut off the ring though, sure Canelo and Marquez throw some beautiful flowing combinations but hell, Marquez can press the action better than Canelo can. Back to the trainers; I don't think Eddie and Chepo can teach Canelo a thing new. He's slightly improved, he should keep them in camp but he needs a world class head trainer. Nacho/Garcia can improve Canelo. He's not going to get better under the Reynosos Yeah you have a point that Marquez is more efficient and that's because he's got much better footwork. My point he's still not as good as when his opponent is pressing the fight and not the other way around. Alvarez seems too loyal to dump his trainers he truly feels comfortable with them. I wouldn't mind seeing him with a guy like Garcia or even Roach.

Canelo has steadily been fighting guys more his size and has only looked "good" against an absolute shot punching bag. A one legged Martinez is 100x's the fighter that Angulo ever was especially the shot to sh*t version that Canelo fought. Before that he was completely shut out by Mayweather and could have lost to Trout and Lara. Yea, one could say they were all bad style matchups they weren't JWW and WW's. There is a big difference between a 4 division champion like Cotto, who just beat down the MW champion and Canelo. Who, by the way, has had 3 catchweights, 3 bought off judges and hasn't looked great in 3 of his last 4 fights but the Cotto fans are the delusional ones lol.

Lara disappointed but it does not mean he definitively lost the fight. Neither was the fight a robbery. After watching the fight twice I cannot give Canelo the win. The night of the fight I had it 115-113, I saw it earlier today and had it 116-112 Lara. This will come as no surprise to many but emotion and feel-good don't win rounds as a credible judge. Neither do you score ineffective aggression. Alvarez landed amazing body shots at times but also many of those landed on Lara's hip and where partially blocked. Lara's defense and footwork which made Canelo miss and at times look ridiculous is severely overshadowed by the fact that he didn't "throw more". In the end you score a fight round by round and 117-111 WAS a bias card from a fellow judge if not a corrupt one.

I'm glad Lara lost for fighting like such an idiot.....but surely people know that Lara gave the fight away beacuse he took 0 risks and went too negative....right? I mean Canelo did the absolute minimum to get that decision.Shame that Lara will never be able to get over that ****ty mentality of taking no risks....he'll keep losing fights he should win

Yes, doesn't mean he can't beat them. He struggles cutting of the ring but we just saw him beat a very good boxer. Time will tell if he can improve. Look at Marquez we all know he struggles when he has to force the action. The dude is a legend and has one of the greatest trainers in some time yet that's not his strength as a boxer. Marquez can actually cut off the ring though, sure Canelo and Marquez throw some beautiful flowing combinations but hell, Marquez can press the action better than Canelo can. Back to the trainers; I don't think Eddie and Chepo can teach Canelo a thing new. He's slightly improved, he should keep them in camp but he needs a world class head trainer. Nacho/Garcia can improve Canelo. He's not going to get better under the Reynosos

So we should expect Canelo to struggle with a boxer if every match up? His ability to adjust isn't that great. A new trainer wouldn't hurt either. Chepo and Eddie can only bring him so far Yes, doesn't mean he can't beat them. He struggles cutting of the ring but we just saw him beat a very good boxer. Time will tell if he can improve. Look at Marquez we all know he struggles when he has to force the action. The dude is a legend and has one of the greatest trainers in some time yet that's not his strength as a boxer.

Imo he did learn from the Mayweather fight, when Lara was running he went to the body all night and got the nod. Should have tried that against Mayweather, where as he didn't and lost. Idk i like Canelo more than Lara but i don't think he learned from the Floyd fight. Canelo actually got Floyd to the ropes and stared throwing combinations that all missed and got countered with shots with his shoulder-roll defense and elusiveness from Floyd. Lara on the other hand just shells up so he's easier to hit.

Against Mayweather he was force to cut off the ring and arguably was shutout. He also had to cut off the ring against Lara and did enough to earn a competitive win. He obviously had to improve even in the slightest at least mentally to no get frustrated. The Trout fight was a much different stylistical fight where he boxed instead of being the aggressor. Like I said he's not Angulo/ Margarito we shouldn't expect him to excel at that style. Styles make fights . So we should expect Canelo to struggle with a boxer if every match up? His ability to adjust isn't that great. A new trainer wouldn't hurt either. Chepo and Eddie can only bring him so far

I think the Canelo hype has really leveled off since Mayweather. I haven't seen anyone in the longest of time calling him "the future of boxing" or anything similar. We all know he's a young guy with limits, I at least respect him for wanting to take on all comers. This is a guy who asked for Trout, Mayweather, Lara, and yes even Kirkland and Williams at one point. He may not be the best ever but he definitely has balls.