I pretty much agree with the overall consensus that Lara did some good things but not enough to win the fight, Canelo was mostly the one making the fight all night, Lara moved a ton and did more thna move other times, and he somewhat took advantage of the rules moreso then mastering them.'
However, in his defense I will say that I dont think he wanted to fight like that. IDK what it is because Canelo is not a one punch KO artist but I havent seen a guy swing like him since Foreman or Tyson. Just looks like every punch is about to chop you in half. He looks huge in the ring. I never ever watch a fight and say a guy is on the juice (and I in no way think Canelo is either) but he just looks different then everyone else in boxing right now when he's swinging. He looks so much more stronger & powerful.
I argued with people after they said Angulo took a dive. I said No, that fight ended in the first 10 seconds when Canelo through that vicious hook that was a shock to AA's system. He thought he would be the hard hitting bully but that very 1st punch was something he never felt before and it stayed that way. Lara met Caneo in the center of the ring and for the first 10 sec it almost looked like he was going to be the aggresssor but very quickly Canelo was again throwing bolo punches
You could tell it was freakin Lara out a lil bit and it hurt everytime it landed, especially in the body. Some people are on there bike because of pressure but with Canelo its different. He's like a physical machine right now where its shocking guys systems. I think he did what he felt he had to do. He never really dealt with anything like that before. He dint want to fight like that but felt he had no choice and could maybe steal some rounds in the process. Canelo is getting older and more experinced. He's still not super great but he's a handful and those shots hurt or are different from what the oppponent anticipated
My take....
Lara landed more punches and landed the solid shots, period. Whether he did it standing on his head or moving around, it doesn't matter. Alvarez missed most of the time and the body shots he did land were few and far between. People say you can't win a fight running away, you also can't win a fight simply walking forward eating punches and missing away!
canelo won in my opinion..he brought the fight to lara, and had him runnning around the ring. i saw no ring generalship from lara, just one two and run.
You have TMT in your name, your opinion already holds no value.
If this fight was for Lara's title most dudes would be saying Canelo didn't do enough to stop the champ's style.
canelo won in my opinion..he brought the fight to lara, and had him runnning around the ring. i saw no ring generalship from lara, just one two and run.
Face the fact that Lara was hit hard to the body in the middle rounds and the fight was changed from that point on. Hell, Canelo hit him with only 15 punches to the head and cut his eye and swelled him.
And punches landed, well neither fighter did well over 12 rounds. 200 punches between 2 JMW way below average.
After the first round I thought maybe Canelo hadn't learned from the Mayweather fight. But then he came out and forced the action and it was his fight. I like how he seemed to know that once he got close Lara was going to try and turn him so Canelo would just throw a right. Sometimes it missed but sometimes it landed beautifully and threw off Lara's timing and pace. Lara knew coming in what he had to do to get a win and he wasn't willing to do it. He and his team have no one to blame but themselves.
i agree 100% lara knew coming in he had to take it to canelo and he couldn't. i don't remember lara stadning his ground one time throughout the whole fight. i only remeber lara throwing one kind of punch..the one two which is pathetic if he is so gifted and brilliant throw an uppercut on the inside..lara is a disappointment..i never liked him, and the fact that people on this site were saying floyd was ducking lara makes this fight mean more then it really should.
Lara did move TOO MUCH to be honest and I don't even know why, Lara was moving before Canelo threw punches.
I don't know if it is Lara or his trainer Ronnie Shields because most of Shields fighters fight like this (Charlo Brother Fight The Exact Same Way) and yes it is frustrating because they do it when it is UNNECESSARY!
Even Mayweather at times during the fight gets in the pocket and picks his opponents apart instead of using his legs for ALL 12 Rounds like Lara did.
Lara when he made Canelo miss...which he did A LOT, he should have been countering and throwing something but instead he would make him miss then walk all the way across the ring just looking back and Canelo :nonono:
He blows CANELO away leaving NO DEBATE if he would have done some clean work on the inside and in the middle of the ring instead of just COMPLETELY fighting off of his back foot for ALL 12 ROUNDS. He was catching Canelo and was getting "Oohs and Awws" from the crowd in the first few rounds but then it became all back foot fighting WITHOUT THROWING PUNCHES (or just one punch and get to safety) and the smart thing Canelo did was just OUTWORK HIM or made it LOOK as if he was outworking him. Canelo stopped head hunting and started focusing on the body which was a smart adjustment on his part and he did slow Lara down with those body shot.
Lara must blame himself!
Or maybe he doesn't let his hands go because he knows he will get hit in return.
He does this in every fight, regardless of opponent. It's a flaw that has followed him throughout his career and screwed him over multiple times. He wasn't shelling up scared, he was measuring and measuring and measuring, but by the time he let loose he'd already endangered his ability to win the round.
I don't think Lara was worried about Alvarez's offense as much as he has that stupid problem of waiting for the perfect single shot rather than trying to score and win rounds convincingly. It's so frustrating to watch him, knowing he'd easily win some rounds if he lets his hands go, but he won't.
Lara executed the gameplan to a T, but he had the wrong one. He needed to be more like Trout and less like himself. It's possible that increasing his output would've gotten him caught, so he simply didn't take the risks. It's ridiculous how the fight just slipped through his fingers. When Mayweather throws more punches, you did something wrong.
I don't think Lara was worried about Alvarez's offense as much as he has that stupid problem of waiting for the perfect single shot rather than trying to score and win rounds convincingly. It's so frustrating to watch him, knowing he'd easily win some rounds if he lets his hands go, but he won't.
Or maybe he doesn't let his hands go because he knows he will get hit in return.
I don't think Lara was worried about Alvarez's offense as much as he has that stupid problem of waiting for the perfect single shot rather than trying to score and win rounds convincingly. It's so frustrating to watch him, knowing he'd easily win some rounds if he lets his hands go, but he won't.
Cutting the ring is not always the best idea, Margarito never knew how to cut the ring either, or maybe he didn't want to.
One thing about cutting a ring against a guy with such great footwork and sharp punches is that you're exposing yourself for even more counters. Smart work by Alvares, he made a few errors when he tracked down Lara to try to think with him and paid for those but he learned.
Margarito would just walk through punches. Terrible comparison. He didn't care about getting hit as long as he got to land. Canelo fights nothing like that.
Oh, from a technical and ability stand-point I agree fully.
I'm talking purely about the power. Canelo threw plenty of body shots at Mayweather, landed a good few and also hit a lot of arms/shoulders and yet despite his huge size advantage, at no point did his strength/power even remotely make an impact.
Canelo looks huge and extremely powerful, but I don't know if he's close to as powerful as he looks.
Mayweather's general toughness is criminally underrated and in interviews since he has said that Canelo hit him with body shots that he can feel to this day.
he didnt look bad in beating trout and he looked as good as anybody could against a guy who refuses to engage
This is where knowing how to cut off the ring comes in to play. Something Canelo has no idea how to do.
I picked Canelo but thought lara won 115-113.
It's not lara's job to make it easy for canelo, it's canelos job to hunt him down and beat him no matter what.
1.) Lara should have known or been told that he will be facing a pro-Mexican crowd and possibly a few pro-Mexican judges as well. There is no way he was going to be given a fight against Canelo fighting the way that he did.
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2.) Lara ran entirely too much. Sure he was landing some very good shots and moving, which is his M.O. but to win against Canelo, you need to be the aggressor and at least give the appearance that you're taking the fight to him. Giving Canelo the aggression edge along with running around the ring is not going to get it done in the EYES of the judges.
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3.)Lara avoided engagements at every opportunity and chose to move and jab. Again, this gives Canelo the edge in the eyes of the judges because it seemed that Canelo came to fight and Lara didn't.
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For some to raise the fact that even a smaller Floyd fought Canelo better and more forceably than Lara speaks volumes -- Because he did!!!
And one would have expected Lara to fight more and run less since he had more size to his favor.
I was rooting for Lara, but IMHO the best man won the fight. And I'm discounting the wide margin given by the favoring judge 117-111 because that wasn't fair to Lara who at best deserved 115-113 or 113-115. This was a fight that was a contrast of styles and Lara's style was less effective in the eyes of the ones who scored the fight. Still it was close and not the one-sided event that the 117-111 score would imply.
Canelo is not a power puncher never has been just let cuz it looks like he's throwing power punches don't mean he hits harder than Kirkland or angulo. I will never be convinced that Angulo didn't sellout in his fight with Opie
After the first round I thought maybe Canelo hadn't learned from the Mayweather fight. But then he came out and forced the action and it was his fight. I like how he seemed to know that once he got close Lara was going to try and turn him so Canelo would just throw a right. Sometimes it missed but sometimes it landed beautifully and threw off Lara's timing and pace. Lara knew coming in what he had to do to get a win and he wasn't willing to do it. He and his team have no one to blame but themselves.
Mayweather is very unique. His mental game is so far over everyone and he's so techniqally sound & precise. Its hard for Canelo to throw bolo stuff on him because Floyd stays close and can beat him to the punch not only because of speed but because of how superior he is to everyone in terms of pure boxing. You could see the mind game that was going on where Floyd would anticipate what Canelo was going to do and shoot his shot right on the money before Canelo. It was almost like a pre counter. It was like he was throwing a counter while getting off 1st. He just knew what Canelo wanted to do and was better at it
Oh, from a technical and ability stand-point I agree fully.
I'm talking purely about the power. Canelo threw plenty of body shots at Mayweather, landed a good few and also hit a lot of arms/shoulders and yet despite his huge size advantage, at no point did his strength/power even remotely make an impact.
Canelo looks huge and extremely powerful, but I don't know if he's close to as powerful as he looks.
Lara got hit in the head a grand total of 15 times in 12 rounds and looked like he hadn't even been in a fight except for the cut . All canelo was doing was coming forward chasing and looking stupid except for 3 rounds he was pressuring well with body shots the rest was laughable. Obvious gift decision and if you are out there you know that's the real consensus sh*t even the experts who people here touted where picking Canelo over Lara had Lara edging it by 2.
problem with this theory is that outside of rnd 1,2,3,lara had 0 clear rnds.he outlanded nelo by 10 punches,so please stop acting like lara put on some clininc