Phil Jackson : "Wladimir Klitschko hits harder than Lennow Lewis"

I don't know how anybody can be taken seriously who bashes WK's defence. His holding is within the rules of boxing, you cannot have boxing without clinching, and many other boxers did it. Povetkin fight was too much, he should have been punished earlier, but this was still a dominant performance. You completely neglected WK's evasive qualities as well and countering skills, all part of the defence. I guess you are pointing to his duck/weave type defence, WK is 6'6" tall, it is no surprise that he doesn't use this. As for infighting, that's a sign that he cannot keep his opponent at bay. WK proved that type of boxing obsolete for a technical giant!

You could argue that Toney was the best defensive Heavyweight, or Ezzard Charles, Walcott etc. Although Toney was pretty in the pocket throwing counters, I don't believe it was his optimum weight class. Joe Louis was pretty damned skilled as well and very efficient with his punches. A lot of these guys moved up from lower weight classes and were able to survive against the giants due to their skill proficiency. If you have Louis win over Carnera in mind, Carnera was a big, unskilled bum.

You could argue that Toney was the best defensive Heavyweight, or Ezzard Charles, Walcott etc. Although Toney was pretty in the pocket throwing counters, I don't believe it was his optimum weight class. Joe Louis was pretty damned skilled as well and very efficient with his punches. A lot of these guys moved up from lower weight classes and were able to survive against the giants due to their skill proficiency.

Enter the later WK, where his skills+range+athleticism affords him the best defence ever put together in professional boxing. I don't get it, where is his inside defense? How can a fighter with the best defense ever put together have a great defense when their only inside defense is to illegally hold? There is a reason he does it every single fight he has no plan b, that IS his defense, and without that he's got nothing. Take it away and he's ****ed. And against what great offensive fighters? Haye was the most gifted, yet he has struggled heavily against tall opponents, couldn't even get his offense off on Valuev. Stand still punching bags like Thompson, Wach, Pianeta, etc.?

This is a good documentary which covers the first Holyfield-Lewis bout and the controversy surrounding it. It's bloody funny watching the snake King trying to sign Lewis at every opportunity. Lewis ended up winning every law suit against Don King in the end. :lol1:

I think holistically, Rahman II was his most complete and dominant performance, his performance against Holyfield in the first bout was my favourite overall performance against a great (and lineal) fighter. A better showing of his boxing ability was his performance against Evander Holyfield the first time they met in ring combat. The judges’ verdict that night (a draw) was a disgrace, as Lewis had surely won ten of the twelve rounds, nine at the very least, and was the victim of an outright robbery. Of course it must be said that a most complacent and unintelligent version of Holyfield showed up that night (not to mention that Holyfield, 36 then, has been on an almost unremitting dip in form ever since), but the way Lewis handled a still multi-dimensional fighter that night was without question his most impressive moment. It was not a perfect performance - Lewis’s over-cautiousness crept in in the 5th round when he had Holyfield on the ropes and failed to fully open up, wary of Holyfield’s legendary ability to battle back from the brink - but is was a commanding one.

If It did happen Lennox Lewis would piss and moan and blame it on a movie he was in and oh I never trained properly... Rahman just caught Lewis cold plain and simple. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/26/article-2315130-003C655E00000258-30_634x440.jpg Not to mention outboxed Lennox the whole fight leading up to it as well. The rematch with Rahman was Lennox's best performance I reckon though.

Only Klittards could try to spin a TKO loss for their hero as a win, because "He was ahead on the scorecards doe". Im not trying to spin it that way. VK did lose this fight "duh".. But it was through luck.

Haha and here's the other end of the spectrum... I don't think WK could ever destroy Lennox. But it's nice to have some balance I guess LOL If It did happen Lennox Lewis would piss and moan and blame it on a movie he was in and oh I never trained properly... Rahman just caught Lewis cold plain and simple. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/26/article-2315130-003C655E00000258-30_634x440.jpg

Even an old man 2014 Wlad destroys a prime Lennox Lewis IMHO Haha and here's the other end of the spectrum... I don't think WK could ever destroy Lennox. But it's nice to have some balance I guess LOL

Only Klittards could try to spin a TKO loss for their hero as a win, because "He was ahead on the scorecards doe".

VK didn't whoop Lewis at all lmao, he was up 4-2, and that's after throwing everything he had at Lewis, VK wasn't going to be able to keep that insanely high work rate up all fight long, and was showing it, he was just as exhausted as Lewis. Lewis absorbed everything VK could throw at him and was still standing, ready to fight. WK is bad, he has 0 defense and can't take a shot, can't fight inside either. He's picking on a bunch of scrubs lmao. Enter the later WK, where his skills+range+athleticism affords him the best defence ever put together in professional boxing. Lewis was blowing WAY harder than VK, body language says the lot. Lewis still didn't have his breath back by time of interview, VK was still eager. As stated, any deterioration of VK was simply due to unlucky cut, without that VK would have been much stronger. Without luck, Lewis loses this fight, even Lewis knew that, hence retirement.

Happy 70th to Emmanuel Stewart by the way...

Any version of Lewis would destroy any version of Wlad. He's a poor mans excuse for a Lewis. Simple as that. Even an old man 2014 Wlad destroys a prime Lennox Lewis IMHO

Really? What about Tucker, Golota, Grant, Vitali, Ruddock amongst others? they didnt have the sAME combination of talent and power as wlad

Lewis definitely showcased his talents against greater opposition more times than Wlad for sure. It's sad actually, because if Wlad had Vitali's mindset he would have been a destroyer. Well Wlad used to fight like Vitali, going for the KO, letting his hands go. Problem is he can't win that way, it's why he lost to Sanders, Brewster, Purrity etc. almost got KTFO by Peter too. He fights careful for a reason, to protect that chin of his, not because he wants to, but because he's got to. He let his hands go against Wach and got rocked.

Those are excellent opponents. But they are not at WK's level, the closest thing LL has ever fought to the level of WK is VK, who spanked him in reality and WK has some features more impressive than VK. Those guys, apart from Vitali would be outclassed and beaten easily against WK, same as his own opponents. And before you mention any of WK's losses, I refer you to the term "punchers chance", same as Lenny's losses. VK didn't whoop Lewis at all lmao, he was up 4-2, and that's after throwing everything he had at Lewis, VK wasn't going to be able to keep that insanely high work rate up all fight long, and was showing it, he was just as exhausted as Lewis. Lewis absorbed everything VK could throw at him and was still standing, ready to fight. WK is bad, he has 0 defense and can't take a shot, can't fight inside either. He's picking on a bunch of scrubs lmao.

Not only was more proven as shown by his full repertoire, his quality of opposition is great. I mean who the fuck beats everyone they faced? It's bloody ridiculous Laced. :lol1: Lewis definitely showcased his talents against greater opposition more times than Wlad for sure. It's sad actually, because if Wlad had Vitali's mindset he would have been a destroyer.

I'm not saying they are as good as Wlad, but they had similar dimensions to Wlad. And I believe that version of Vitali would have beaten any version of Wlad. Too tough and too strong. And spanked him is a bit much, don't be silly. He ended up with 50 stitches. Sure, both have losses. Difference is, Lewis avenged his losses. Not only was more proven as shown by his full repertoire, his quality of opposition is great. I mean who the fuck beats everyone they faced? It's bloody ridiculous Laced. :lol1:

Those are excellent opponents. But they are not at WK's level, the closest thing LL has ever fought to the level of WK is VK, who spanked him in reality and WK has some features more impressive than VK. Those guys, apart from Vitali would be outclassed and beaten easily against WK, same as his own opponents. And before you mention any of WK's losses, I refer you to the term "punchers chance", same as Lenny's losses. I'm not saying they are as good as Wlad, but they had similar dimensions to Wlad. And I believe that version of Vitali would have beaten any version of Wlad. Too tough and too strong. And spanked him is a bit much, don't be silly. He ended up with 50 stitches. Sure, both have losses. Difference is, Lewis avenged his losses.