Do fighters and trainers hide certain aspects of their game?

He's definitely not just a boxer but I think nowadays he moves in and out more than he used to. Hes somewhat more cautious. I think his head movement has dropped, especially in the Bradley 2 fight. A lot more about fighting for foot position.

I would say he boxes more, but he still posses the rapid fire "out of no where" punching ability. Like that one 7-8 punch combo he threw at Bradley while Tim laid on the ropes. Its hard to say hes just a "boxer" style because Manny tends to stay in that "caution" range instead of spending majority of his time in the "safe zone" range of his opponent. Manny is just always at the right distance to move and punch at the same time so its befuddling to describe his style. Even if he moves he'll still contort his body to land a punch that it makes opponents especially those who haven't fought him once a bit hesitant to punch. He's definitely not just a boxer but I think nowadays he moves in and out more than he used to. Hes somewhat more cautious.

has Lara ever body punched I don't remember him doing it Here and there. Nothing if big significance I think. I guess he's more a no than a yes. :lol1:

Roach transformed Manny like no other fighter I have ever seen. Im no old timer either but I havent seen any fighter transform so drastically. Post KO, would you say he's boxing more now? Or just my imagination? I would say he boxes more, but he still posses the rapid fire "out of no where" punching ability. Like that one 7-8 punch combo he threw at Bradley while Tim laid on the ropes. Its hard to say hes just a "boxer" style because Manny tends to stay in that "caution" range instead of spending majority of his time in the "safe zone" range of his opponent. Manny is just always at the right distance to move and punch at the same time so its befuddling to describe his style. Even if he moves he'll still contort his body to land a punch that it makes opponents especially those who haven't fought him once a bit hesitant to punch.

I'm sure they hide the strategies...but come fight night, some things will work, some won't. So, you gotta have plan a, plan b...all the way to plan Z. Also, you have to be able to switch styles if things aren't working. Im not just talking about strategy tho. I'm talking about a style of fighting that we have never seen or thought they would be able to implement.

I think Manny's current style became apparent after the Diaz fight at Lightweight. From there he was just a different fighter, a boxer-puncher instead of a slugger. Roach really developed Manny's right hand. Roach transformed Manny like no other fighter I have ever seen. Im no old timer either but I havent seen any fighter transform so drastically. Post KO, would you say he's boxing more now? Or just my imagination?

I'm sure they hide the strategies...but come fight night, some things will work, some won't. So, you gotta have plan a, plan b...all the way to plan Z. Also, you have to be able to switch styles if things aren't working.

I believe the most skillful out there are able to hide certain parts of their game until its needed. That is the hallmark of skill - have the capability to learn something, perfect it.. and then be able to execute it flawlessly when called upon. Maybe you practice something a million times, but only have the need to use it here or there. bhop was a good example it doesn't just go for the most skillful, because the sport in general is as much about subterfuge than anything else. Hiding and deceit is a big part. and that's not to mention almost all fighters are evolving and getting better, so who knows what someone can bring to their next fight. so even for those who are considered less skillful, you might see them hiding and holding back on specific punches, combinations or movement so that they remain unpredictable and keep fighters guessing from minute-to-minute, round-to-round. Salido is someone who comes to mind. very complicated fighter anyway, I'm not sure what shields and Lara could have up their sleeve Good post. Im guessing body punching and combination punching? Combinations is something people think Lara can't do. Everyone thinks he's a 1-2 fighter? Is he? We'll find out if thats their plan. Could it be their inside game? Does Lara have an inside game? Or one better than he has shown?

I think Manny's current style became apparent after the Diaz fight at Lightweight. From there he was just a different fighter, a boxer-puncher instead of a slugger. Roach really developed Manny's right hand.

I believe the most skillful out there are able to hide certain parts of their game until its needed. That is the hallmark of skill - have the capability to learn something, perfect it.. and then be able to execute it flawlessly when called upon. Maybe you practice something a million times, but only have the need to use it here or there. bhop was a good example it doesn't just go for the most skillful, because the sport in general is as much about subterfuge than anything else. Hiding and deceit is a big part. and that's not to mention almost all fighters are evolving and getting better, so who knows what someone can bring to their next fight. so even for those who are considered less skillful, you might see them hiding and holding back on specific punches, combinations or movement so that they remain unpredictable and keep fighters guessing from minute-to-minute, round-to-round. Salido is someone who comes to mind. very complicated fighter anyway, I'm not sure what shields and Lara could have up their sleeve

I think for any fan to judge a fighter's plan based off such little video released through media workouts is just dumb. Those videos are at max like what 45 minutes long? If you think about it they train everyday for at least 2 months, and they probably train a minimum 2 hours each day as well. So there is definitely a lot behind the scenes the fans dont see. I'm sure many coaches that like to think have many unseen talents through their brainstorming. There must be many things Nacho, Roach, Angel/Robert Garcia have not shown us. Look at Floyd, Floyd does the same mitt work and jump rope every damn media workout so bonehead fans always think its some brand new **** because its so flashy to them. But you can almost guarantee while the cameras aren't there they are putting in real practice and not just the routines for the media. How else would of Manny evolved from the double jab left hand fighter he used to be? We see the outcomes of these hidden tactics but we as fans rarely get to see the planning in action. You're right. But I don't think Manny was hiding anything. I really think that motherfker really didnt know anything else but a straight left. :rofl: Unless I read the last part of your post wrong. But how about his current style tho?

I think for any fan to judge a fighter's plan based off such little video released through media workouts is just dumb. Those videos are at max like what 45 minutes long? If you think about it they train everyday for at least 2 months, and they probably train a minimum 2 hours each day as well. So there is definitely a lot behind the scenes the fans dont see. I'm sure many coaches that like to think have many unseen talents through their brainstorming. There must be many things Nacho, Roach, Angel/Robert Garcia have not shown us. Look at Floyd, Floyd does the same mitt work and jump rope every damn media workout so bonehead fans always think its some brand new **** because its so flashy to them. But you can almost guarantee while the cameras aren't there they are putting in real practice and not just the routines for the media. How else would of Manny evolved from the double jab left hand fighter he used to be? We see the outcomes of these hidden tactics but we as fans rarely get to see the planning in action.

Oooohh I think one of the perfect examples is Mares. People thought since he was a brawler that Ponce would kill him due to size and power. But what did Mares do? He SURPRISED everyone and actually boxed.

Robert Garcia should take note, the dude lets Elie Seckbach record almost anything at his gym. But I think especially during media days, they hide certain aspects. While some fighters/trainers dont watch tape, there are others that will religiously view opponent tape and get all the information they can. Im not just talking about media days tho. Like I said, people see fighter A fight certain way their whole career then when an opponent comes along people say well, the way he fights he'll never beat this guy. Then come fight night they completely transform their style. Danny didn't completely transform his style but he did something no one thought he could or would do. Nope you're not overthinking it, your correct, allot of people do tarnish a fighter with the same brush when they see him fight the style that they're used to, and when it becomes ineffective they say oh he's one dimensional. That's true in some cases i.e Provo, and Rios, However like with Garcia, he showed he had to box rather than counter (like he usually did) against Matthysse, Crawford too boxes usually but the boy hides his bombs and they're always there at his disposal if needs be. There are plenty more examples I guess, now as much as I hate Broner I think when the pressure is on, and he actually comes forward he has some skills, its when he adapts to his BS Mayweather style he looks terrible. I think with Broner though its not hiding he's just too plain stupid to know any better. :lol1:

Ive seen some highlights of him throwing some bombs. Back when he had longer hair. Am I overthinking this? Nope you're not overthinking it, your correct, allot of people do tarnish a fighter with the same brush when they see him fight the style that they're used to, and when it becomes ineffective they say oh he's one dimensional. That's true in some cases i.e Provo, and Rios, However like with Garcia, he showed he had to box rather than counter (like he usually did) against Matthysse, Crawford too boxes usually but the boy hides his bombs and they're always there at his disposal if needs be. There are plenty more examples I guess, now as much as I hate Broner I think when the pressure is on, and he actually comes forward he has some skills, its when he adapts to his BS Mayweather style he looks terrible. I think with Broner though its not hiding he's just too plain stupid to know any better.

Robert Garcia should take note, the dude lets Elie Seckbach record almost anything at his gym. But I think especially during media days, they hide certain aspects. While some fighters/trainers dont watch tape, there are others that will religiously view opponent tape and get all the information they can.

I dont think they hide it but I think they work on alot of things and different fights have different game plans. One that comes into mind was Hopkins. Pretty much always a mauler but surprised everyone by coming out boxing against Tito. Tito clearly wasnt prepared for that and just knew Hopkins would try to manhandle him and go toe to toe. I dont think Hopkins was hading that side of his aresnal. He just never had to use it but he respected Titos power and they saw how Oscar outboxed him so they felt X had the goods to do the same. Similar how MAB changed over the 2nd half of his career and became a top notch elite pure boxer when alot of people thought he was just a non stop fighting machine. He showed he had great poise & technique that made his career also last longer Thats what Im talking about. But isnt that the same thing? If you're not using it then you're hiding it. Another example is Gamboa. He was a tazmanian devil in there but then from the Ponce fight on he was all technical.

I dont think they hide it but I think they work on alot of things and different fights have different game plans. One that comes into mind was Hopkins. Pretty much always a mauler but surprised everyone by coming out boxing against Tito. Tito clearly wasnt prepared for that and just knew Hopkins would try to manhandle him and go toe to toe. I dont think Hopkins was hading that side of his aresnal. He just never had to use it but he respected Titos power and they saw how Oscar outboxed him so they felt X had the goods to do the same. Similar how MAB changed over the 2nd half of his career and became a top notch elite pure boxer when alot of people thought he was just a non stop fighting machine. He showed he had great poise & technique that made his career also last longer

I think some boxers do, take for example Crawford, I have sneaky feeling he's going to show us all what he's about this weekend. Crawford is believed to be a boxer, rather than a boxer/puncher but people mistake his ability to KO people aswell, he has a mean right hand and its severely underrated. He stated himself he isnt interested in pleasing the fans, he comes to win, but he know's he doesn't want to end up like Rigo so he has got to show something which will attract views. Ive seen some highlights of him throwing some bombs. Back when he had longer hair. Am I overthinking this?

I think some boxers do, take for example Crawford, I have sneaky feeling he's going to show us all what he's about this weekend. Crawford is believed to be a boxer, rather than a boxer/puncher but people mistake his ability to KO people aswell, he has a mean right hand and its severely underrated. He stated himself he isnt interested in pleasing the fans, he comes to win, but he know's he doesn't want to end up like Rigo so he has got to show something which will attract views.