Why do so many people want to see Floyd take on Cotto at Middleweight? Sure it would be a good competitive fight but I think the middleweight champion (Cotto) should be taking on the contenders that pose the biggest threat like GGG or possibly Chavez. And I don't want to hear the accuse that Cotto simply doesn't want to fight these big guys simply because they are too big because that is a petty accuse to hide behind when your the champion (not that Cotto has said this or anything but I get the feeling that Roach is trying to instigate a match up with Floyd or Canelo who neither have fought at middleweight). Of course Floyd on paper is the ultimate prize as a victory for Cotto but come on we all know the natural middleweights are bigger then Cotto and are a better opposition in terms of size and power. If Sergio was considered possibly too big for Cotto (which he is already a small middleweight who comes in around 157) then how can the champion Cotto be considered as the best in middleweight. Cotto showed a flawless performance against Sergio even though I think Sergio is not near the same fighter as he used to be, but in terms of legacy and respect Cotto has shown it thus far taking on all comers. I just hope his presence at middleweight in the future doesn't revolve around him fighting guys that are less powerful then him like Floyd and Canelo for instance. My idea of Cotto reaching the next level for his legacy is fighting guys that he can't muscle around and relying specifically on boxing skills with bigger opponents like I don't know maybe GGG.
Naw man all of his fans were singing Pedros praise when Cotto was winning, then when he loses all of the sudden he needs a new trainer...and when he loses again once he fights a live body Roach will be blamed and fired
Cotto looked good with the Cuban for the Margarito fight, and then gave Floyd a tough fight, but he looks FANTASTIC with Roach who said it best himself, Cotto has been training himself since his uncle left, even with Steward training him. If you can't see a difference in Cotto's mentality then there is something very wrong with you. It isn't a new Cotto at all in reality, he just looks like the guy he did until the Margarito fight. Pretty much full of himself and really all fighters are meant to be that way, they should feel unstoppable and I think for the first time since the Margarito loss Cotto feels that way again.
Cotto doesn't have any noticeable improvements in speed, a bit in power but he didn't look blazing fast in there. He had great timing as usual, but again ignoring the new/old school is nothing more than being delusional he has improved under Roach. Boxing is as much mental as it is physical, Cotto's biggest issue has been his mentallity after the Margarito fight and Roach is the first one to truly address that IMO.
It's funny that all these cotto haters hate to mention that Sergio's knee was ok until he took three left hooks to the head, and even after that Sergio danced around the ring all night,, now yuri Forman had a bad knee but Sergio was good,, if you get hit in the head by a hard puncher and your knees buckle its not because you have bad knees morons
Yes! Yuri was legit crippled. He was literally hoping around the ring. Sergio got hit with a monster left and was saucey the rest of the round. And then got up and basically ran not hopped around the ring till he got stopped.
But....but....but his knees were bad!!!
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Knees were bad, but he CAN SPRINT from one end of the ring to the other in a dash on which he showed that his knees were good to go!
No problem with the knees.
I'm not sure if there is an underlined current of hate for Miguel or what but I don't see a problem with him getting a shot at either Floyd, Canelo, or GGG. Here's how I see it.... Under Roach's guidance it appears that Cotto isn't reinvented just that he is back to what made him such an offensive force when he first jumped in to the championship rankings. I also believe that he has gotten a lot of his confidence back and that alone can some times make the difference between what appears to be a faded champ and a rejuvenated one.
If Floyd and Cotto step in the ring a second time for Cotto's MW title then I have no problem with a rematch. The fight remains relevant as long as Cotto holds the Lineal title. Facts are Facts, if Mayweather wants to further cement his legacy and if Cotto is such an easy win then Floyd should jump at the chance just like Cotto did against Martinez.
A gold miner digs for gold, a boxer fights for championship belts its an easy decision for him and a easy boost to his legacy so I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd jumped at the chance.
This was the version of Cotto we were all dying to see Floyd fight over 5 years ago. It made for an interesting go round the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd vs. Cotto 2. It wasn't a massacre in the first fight, and Cotto actually did ok. With the few changes I would like to see if Cotto could make it more competitive.
Its not the worst fight that could be made for these two pugilistic Champions, Floyd's had some wars against some not so great opposition so I'm sorry if it makes a Cotto vs. May 2 appear to be lucrative for both fighters.
Great post!
I'm not sure if there is an underlined current of hate for Miguel or what but I don't see a problem with him getting a shot at either Floyd, Canelo, or GGG. Here's how I see it.... Under Roach's guidance it appears that Cotto isn't reinvented just that he is back to what made him such an offensive force when he first jumped in to the championship rankings. I also believe that he has gotten a lot of his confidence back and that alone can some times make the difference between what appears to be a faded champ and a rejuvenated one.
If Floyd and Cotto step in the ring a second time for Cotto's MW title then I have no problem with a rematch. The fight remains relevant as long as Cotto holds the Lineal title. Facts are Facts, if Mayweather wants to further cement his legacy and if Cotto is such an easy win then Floyd should jump at the chance just like Cotto did against Martinez.
A gold miner digs for gold, a boxer fights for championship belts its an easy decision for him and a easy boost to his legacy so I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd jumped at the chance.
This was the version of Cotto we were all dying to see Floyd fight over 5 years ago. It made for an interesting go round the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd vs. Cotto 2. It wasn't a massacre in the first fight, and Cotto actually did ok. With the few changes I would like to see if Cotto could make it more competitive.
Its not the worst fight that could be made for these two pugilistic Champions, Floyd's had some wars against some not so great opposition so I'm sorry if it makes a Cotto vs. May 2 appear to be lucrative for both fighters.
Very interesting comments. Completely agree with you, specially the bold Red.
No. Only your idol Pac do that. Remember his 8th division title?
Manny vs Cotto ...... that too would not be right so take one of these :bottle:
but we both know that the more likely at this point in time is Floyd vs Cotto due to Cotto and Manny ties with Roach.
I'm not sure if there is an underlined current of hate for Miguel or what but I don't see a problem with him getting a shot at either Floyd, Canelo, or GGG. Here's how I see it.... Under Roach's guidance it appears that Cotto isn't reinvented just that he is back to what made him such an offensive force when he first jumped in to the championship rankings. I also believe that he has gotten a lot of his confidence back and that alone can some times make the difference between what appears to be a faded champ and a rejuvenated one.
If Floyd and Cotto step in the ring a second time for Cotto's MW title then I have no problem with a rematch. The fight remains relevant as long as Cotto holds the Lineal title. Facts are Facts, if Mayweather wants to further cement his legacy and if Cotto is such an easy win then Floyd should jump at the chance just like Cotto did against Martinez.
A gold miner digs for gold, a boxer fights for championship belts its an easy decision for him and a easy boost to his legacy so I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd jumped at the chance.
This was the version of Cotto we were all dying to see Floyd fight over 5 years ago. It made for an interesting go round the first time. I wouldn't mind seeing Floyd vs. Cotto 2. It wasn't a massacre in the first fight, and Cotto actually did ok. With the few changes I would like to see if Cotto could make it more competitive.
Its not the worst fight that could be made for these two pugilistic Champions, Floyd's had some wars against some not so great opposition so I'm sorry if it makes a Cotto vs. May 2 appear to be lucrative for both fighters.
In my opinion this fight would not be a whole lot different than the first fight.
Not a total shut out, but a UD for Floyd.
Cotto has not exactly re-invented himself, he has just reverted back to his strengths as a boxer which got him to the top in the first place.
Both Floyd and Cotto would carry the weight well so it would be basically a re-match at MW instead of WW.
I think that in the first fight Cotto showed Floyd too much respect and didn't take the risks needed to keep Floyd on the ropes, even with Roach as trainer I can't see Cotto making any real changes to his game plan that Floyd can't work out by the middle of the fight.
I am a Cotto fan and would pay for this fight, but in all honesty I'd look forward to Cotto VS Canelo more.
It's funny that all these cotto haters hate to mention that Sergio's knee was ok until he took three left hooks to the head, and even after that Sergio danced around the ring all night,, now yuri Forman had a bad knee but Sergio was good,, if you get hit in the head by a hard puncher and your knees buckle its not because you have bad knees morons
Yes! Yuri was legit crippled. He was literally hoping around the ring. Sergio got hit with a monster left and was saucey the rest of the round. And then got up and basically ran not hopped around the ring till he got stopped.
Under Roach??? wtf does that even mean?? he is the exact same fighter.. he beat Rodriguez and a 39 year old Martinez with 2 bad knees who had been inactive over a year...wtf is so different now?
You haven't noticed a different Cotto since he began fighting under roach??? Shame on you if u haven't.
39 years old and inactive for two years? That would be the mosley that fought floyd
It's funny that all these cotto haters hate to mention that Sergio's knee was ok until he took three left hooks to the head, and even after that Sergio danced around the ring all night,, now yuri Forman had a bad knee but Sergio was good,, if you get hit in the head by a hard puncher and your knees buckle its not because you have bad knees morons
Under Roach??? wtf does that even mean?? he is the exact same fighter.. he beat Rodriguez and a 39 year old Martinez with 2 bad knees who had been inactive over a year...wtf is so different now?
Being that Floyd scared azz don't want none of manny, this attacking style cotto would be the best fight for Floyd,, Floyd fans are the most delusional bunch of aholes ever,,if Floyd fought in the 80's he would have about 4 losses right now
they are lineal and the lineage can be traced back thru time..like it or not they are lineal with 0 dispute
Sorry but real fans don't buy that crap only idiots like you do
Naw man all of his fans were singing Pedros praise when Cotto was winning, then when he loses all of the sudden he needs a new trainer...and when he loses again once he fights a live body Roach will be blamed and fired
Not once did he sit on his punches and commit to them while under Diaz. Go back to the Margarito rematch, it was a fun fight, I was there, but if he had really worked that body, he could have really poor him down.
He isn't a reinvented fighter under Roach, he's just more back to the basics that made him one of the best in the world a few years ago. I mean even Roach said this much.
And this back to basics approach is what us Cotto fans are happy with, because it's what most likely made him our favorite fighter all those years ago.
Hey man look, we all thought he was done after the Trout fight. He was fat, out of shape and was more gassed than usual after like 4 rounds. I honestly thought he'd get a farewell fight in PR and call it a day, but he's got one last lease on boxing life. He took a fight that 70% said he would lose and he won, and nobody on this board can take that away nor take back your predictions. The circumstances are irrelevant, since plenty said that a 50% Sergio is still to big and strong.
Plenty said that if Trouts average self can make Cotto look bad, imagine Sergio. So Cotto proved that he's not quite done. I don't know how long this ride will last, it could be over the next fight, don't know and don't care, but I'm enjoying the hell out if it. So War Cotto. Bring on GGG, May, Pac, Bradley or whoever. Line em up and Cotto will go fight, he may win, or he may not, is fans of his don't care because at least he was willing to try.
Yeah, it is becoming a mockery ...
Nowadays, you just pick a title and negotiate the weight.
Weight-classes are so yesterday!
and then for their trilogy, they will fight for a vacated 168 title!
I was pulling for Cotto to beat Martinez except for one scenario.
Cotto at 155 vs Floyd at 151 for the middleweight title ...... what a joke!
Yeah, it is becoming a mockery ...
Nowadays, you just pick a title and negotiate the weight.
Weight-classes are so yesterday!
Cotto whips his ass in a rematch. Make it happen :boxing:
The Roach/MacMillan/Cotto connection is unstoppable.
I hope you're joking ......
Floyd was picking Cotto apart and the only reason Cotto got any of his shots in was because Floyd was on the ropes just chillin like he always does.
I'm guessing many don't care to re-watch the fight for reference, because its all there. Cotto was so embarrassed that he left the ring totally frustrated.
A second fight would be easier for Floyd because he knows for certain where the shots need to be and where they are, because Cotto's fighting style hasn't changed one bit.
And as a matter of fact, both he and Floyd have diminished physically over the last few years - so I don't see how any Trainer can change the effects of father-time. (Just doesn't work that way)
Cotto whips his ass in a rematch. Make it happen :boxing:
The Roach/MacMillan/Cotto connection is unstoppable.
You've got to be kidding me.....What makes you think Mayweather doesn't adapt his style to avoid Cotto's left hook? Roach sure did a great job with Provodnikov....oh wait that's right Provodnikov just relies on throwing power shots and his defense sucks as to why he got out boxed by ****in Algieri. Amir Khan with roach got tko'd by Garcia of all people. Manny with roach got knocked out by Marquez. It's a reoccurring thing with Roach, his fighters are too offensive minded and walk into shots because they're too concentrated on getting off first. Manny has slowed down with his offense and he is definitely more defensive minded since getting KO'd by Marquez so I do see that Manny has improved under Roach. Bottom line though to say Cotto, Roach, and Macmillan?? are unstoppable sounds pretty ridiculous especially after Cotto fighting the almost 40 year old Martinez who has two really bad knees at this point and hadn't fought in a year. When Cotto walks through GGG then I will agree that he is unstoppable at Middleweight for the foreseeable future.