Why the hate for haymon?

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Thanks for the article I forgot about that, respect the fact your bringing actual evidence to support your opinion.I guess we won't agree about Haymon but whatever it's all good. I'm not 100% sure Stevenson will make more fighting Hopkins over Kovalev but I think signing with Haymon gives him more options and the potential to make more $ and at his age that's probably the best move for him. Agree with what you said about Dawson But I think at the time it was a huge win for him and his career in my opinion, that's the first fight Hopkins clearly lost since Jones there is no debate in my opinion. but he f.ucked it all up got smashed by Ward and 1 punched by Stevenson, so whatever momentum he had he lost. Hopkins is my favorite boxer So Persoanlly Id rather see Hopkins fight Stevenson to add to his legacy but lets be honest. Steveson probably viewed a fight with Hopkins easier, possibly more $, more belts, and a chance at notching a HOF on his belt. Things Sergei doesnt offer plus Kovalev is prime and has nuclear power in his fists. Right now there's 3 legit names in the LHW ( Hopkins, Strvenson, Kovalev) it just seems Kovalev is the one being left out at the moment. I like Kovalev so I hope the winner of Stevenson/Hopkins faces him. I just want Sergei to take on some legitimate opponents to see if the hype is real. Sorry for the length and I'm getting way off point on the Original Thread but your rebuttals were top notch so I needed the space to attempt counter them and give my opinion. Dude, I get why fighters sign with Al Haymon. It makes sense for them most of the time. But for us fans, it sucks. I'm not necessarily saying it's bad for their business, I'm just speaking from the fans point of view. There's too many fighters who don't mind taking easy fights and Haymon encourages that while getting them huge pay days for doing it. I could respect the opinion of fans who support the financial decision the boxers make because at the end of the day, it's not us fighting...I'm just saying it's not good for the fans because we don't get the fights we want. And that's all I really care about, as selfish as it may sound.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=6728123 There was a lot of talk in 2011 and 2012 about HBO going over budget. There's probably more fights but this was one I rembered off the top of my head. Feel bad for anyone who paid for that no contest. Well I'm just saying it's not guaranteed he'll make more fighting Hopkins. The fight will generate more revenue but if he's forced to take a smaller cut it might be less than getting a larger cut of a fight that generates less revenue. And I get that about Chad Dawson, but I'm saying that beating Hopkins didn't do anything for him. He lost to Pascal before Hopkins. Then he lost to Ward and got KO'd by Stevenson. It made his win against Hopkins seems less impressive. Dawson has a pretty bad resume when you look at it. His best wins are against guys way past their prime. Every time he stepped up and fought someone prime he got destroyed. Stevenson best win is Dawson. Beating Dawson and Hopkins isn't going to help enhance his legacy too much Look I get Kovalev doesn't have a good resume at the moment, but can we compare what both Hopkins and Kovalev have done the last 3-4 years? They've both been fighting similar guys. Overall Hopkins is better, but recently? It's not Thanks for the article I forgot about that, respect the fact your bringing actual evidence to support your opinion.I guess we won't agree about Haymon but whatever it's all good. I'm not 100% sure Stevenson will make more fighting Hopkins over Kovalev but I think signing with Haymon gives him more options and the potential to make more $ and at his age that's probably the best move for him. Agree with what you said about Dawson But I think at the time it was a huge win for him and his career in my opinion, that's the first fight Hopkins clearly lost since Jones there is no debate in my opinion. but he f.ucked it all up got smashed by Ward and 1 punched by Stevenson, so whatever momentum he had he lost. Hopkins is my favorite boxer So Persoanlly Id rather see Hopkins fight Stevenson to add to his legacy but lets be honest. Steveson probably viewed a fight with Hopkins easier, possibly more $, more belts, and a chance at notching a HOF on his belt. Things Sergei doesnt offer plus Kovalev is prime and has nuclear power in his fists. Right now there's 3 legit names in the LHW ( Hopkins, Strvenson, Kovalev) it just seems Kovalev is the one being left out at the moment. I like Kovalev so I hope the winner of Stevenson/Hopkins faces him. I just want Sergei to take on some legitimate opponents to see if the hype is real. Sorry for the length and I'm getting way off point on the Original Thread but your rebuttals were top notch so I needed the space to attempt counter them and give my opinion.

This really bothers me too. The amount of tune up fights Haymon fighters take up on Showtime Championship boxing is horrible. Garcia-Herrera was a showcase fight gone wrong. Thurman-Diaz, Stevenson-Fonfara, Hopkins-Shumenov, Peterson-Jean, Porter-Malignaggi, etc. None of these fights were competitive on paper. This is what Showtime has turned into and we as fans shouldn't be applauding this. It sucks. Gary Russell Jr is finally stepping up in competition and it was pretty much forced by the sanctioning bodies. Haymon fighters are just glorified tune up artists. If they do fight each other, win or lose they're back fighting nobodies.

are you serious :rofl: :rofl: Of course it helped his legacy. I've read some stuff on here but that was gold! You know what, you're right. Chad Dawson's legacy of barely beating middle aged men and losing every time he fought a prime fighter was definitely enhanced when he decisioned 47 year old Hopkins

I don't see it that way. Can you name 1 fight that wasn't made because of lack of budget with HBO or one fight that got put to PPV because of the budget problems. Haymon gets his fighters the most $ that's a good thing in my mind. No body hates Drew Rosenhaus because of the contracts he negotiates. I've stated earlier Haymons probably a douche like the rest of people in boxing but his job is to get his clients maximum money. My opinion he"ll make more with Hopkins fight. Even though I think he was getting 2/3 if he fought Kovalev. Dawson Parlayed that into a Ward fight and a Stevenson fight if he did better in either his legacy would be good it's not just 1 name that cements your place but the culmination of names in your career IMO. Your right I shouldn't have called them bums but definite lower class competition no elite names or borderline legit names. I don't know hoW you rated Cleverly but I never thought he was much, B class C class fighter held a belt but his resume isnt good either. That's his best name and that isn't much. I like Kovalev just think he's over rated untill he fights bigger names. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=6728123 There was a lot of talk in 2011 and 2012 about HBO going over budget. There's probably more fights but this was one I rembered off the top of my head. Feel bad for anyone who paid for that no contest. Well I'm just saying it's not guaranteed he'll make more fighting Hopkins. The fight will generate more revenue but if he's forced to take a smaller cut it might be less than getting a larger cut of a fight that generates less revenue. And I get that about Chad Dawson, but I'm saying that beating Hopkins didn't do anything for him. He lost to Pascal before Hopkins. Then he lost to Ward and got KO'd by Stevenson. It made his win against Hopkins seems less impressive. Dawson has a pretty bad resume when you look at it. His best wins are against guys way past their prime. Every time he stepped up and fought someone prime he got destroyed. Stevenson best win is Dawson. Beating Dawson and Hopkins isn't going to help enhance his legacy too much Look I get Kovalev doesn't have a good resume at the moment, but can we compare what both Hopkins and Kovalev have done the last 3-4 years? They've both been fighting similar guys. Overall Hopkins is better, but recently? It's not

So, you condemn one and excuse the others? There's no need for temper tantrums. No matter your justification, you are giving a pass to one party doing something negative in the sport whilst bashing another party for doing the exact same thing. No need for name calling man, it's an internet forum. No I'm not giving a pass to one and bashing another. I'm bashing both but on different levels. If a journeyman has a fight against a tomato can, is he still doing something wrong. If he champion is fighting a tomato can he is doing the exact same thing but on a different level. The same goes with Haymon and other managers

Over paying for fights effects us fans, directly. When they do we either get less fights or more PPV fights. So don't act like this shouldn't be an issue for the fans. It is. The only thing Bernard brings more to the table is belts. Stevenson will be forced to be the B-Side in a fight against Hopkins. It's no guarantee he'll make more money fighting Hopkins than he would with a 50/50 split against Kovalev. Legacy? What did beating Hopkins do to Chad Dawson's legacy? Not a damn thing. I like how you say all he's done is beat bums. Most people considered his fight with Cleverly a 50/50 fight. Kovalev dominates a guy he wasn't supposed to and now all of a sudden people act like that was supposed to happen. I don't see it that way. Can you name 1 fight that wasn't made because of lack of budget with HBO or one fight that got put to PPV because of the budget problems. Haymon gets his fighters the most $ that's a good thing in my mind. No body hates Drew Rosenhaus because of the contracts he negotiates. I've stated earlier Haymons probably a douche like the rest of people in boxing but his job is to get his clients maximum money. My opinion he"ll make more with Hopkins fight. Even though I think he was getting 2/3 if he fought Kovalev. Dawson Parlayed that into a Ward fight and a Stevenson fight if he did better in either his legacy would be good it's not just 1 name that cements your place but the culmination of names in your career IMO. Your right I shouldn't have called them bums but definite lower class competition no elite names or borderline legit names. I don't know hoW you rated Cleverly but I never thought he was much, B class C class fighter held a belt but his resume isnt good either. That's his best name and that isn't much. I like Kovalev just think he's over rated untill he fights bigger names.

I would rather be in Brandon rios or Tim Bradley's promotional situation than porters. Both made more in their first PAC fight than Maidana a haymon client got to fight Floyd. They got more than Ortiz or Guerrero got as well. Bradley's minimums are very high. Not all of the top earners are haymon fighters. Bradley is obviously a more established fighter than Maidana. The thing is Maidana did not earn only $1.5M he got Argentina TV kick back too from what I've heard was between $3-4M. So he did alright. And with a rematch he'll probably earn around $6-8M. Rios on the other hand I'd say is pretty much capped at what he made against Manny. Broner, Thurman, Porter all will earn a lot more than Rios has. Rios most likely isn't making more than $600k for his next fight. So for 2 fights lets assume he made $4m/2=$2m/fight and anything under 2m brings the average down more. Bradley got his deal because TR knows they need someone decent at 147-154 once Manny steps out. I'm not a huge Broner fan but he creates controversy and he can sell himself very well. Don't be surprised if we see him headline a PPV within the next few years where hes earning around $4-6m/fight. So to conclude, yes where Porter,Thurman,Broner stand right now TODAY, Bradley has a much better deal earning him more. BUT Bradley is also 6 years older than Porter and Broner. Ask yourself this...When Bradley was 24 was he headlining and making the same amount as Broner? Thurman? Porter? Danny Garcia? Those guys have potential and in 4,5,6,7,8 years their earnings will far surpass Bradley and Rios.

Yeah, throwing Broner in with Maidana was really protecting Broner :ninja: Haymon actually advised broner NOT to fight maidana. He's an advisor. His job is to get his fighters low risk / high regard fights. Once again, beneficial to his fighters but sucks for us fans as we'll get a good fight here and there thrown in between a bunch of over matched tuneups. .

Guerrero called out Broner in his face and nothing came out of it. You'd think that that scene about Guerrero confronting Broner out in the open would have made a good promotional pitch. If that was Dana White he would have taken advantage of that gem. Not this Haymon clown. He's too over protective of his children.

Wrong again fool.... Haymon's over protectionism is killing boxing. Haymon makes sure the guy putting in all the work and taking the punches gets paid. Plain and simple..... If you were a fighter would you prefer to payout 27% of your money or 10%????????? Oh damn a fool wouldn't know that answer. ....

bunch of retards on this forum... Haymon is a sports agent. Thats all... he's not a promoter. He negotiates contracts with networks and promoters for the sake of THE FIGHTER. He creates the smartest business plan for the fighter. All his fighters get dates and get $$$. His fighters don't have to listen to him. He advised Broner not to fight Maidana, but Broner did anyway. Ultimatly who a fighter fights is up to them with the advising, suggestions and plans brought to them by Haymon. If I was a professional boxer the first thing I would do is sign on with Al Haymon. Anyone who tells or says they wouldn't is full of shtt. As Floyd said "I'm a prize fighter dummy...I fight for money..a prize" I'd rather be making what Broner makes than Jesse Vargas.... Haymon advises his clients to not sign multi-year contracts with promotion companies so they have leverage. Extremely smart move. I would rather be in Shawn Porters promotion situation (fight by fight) than Andre Wards.... I would rather be in Brandon rios or Tim Bradley's promotional situation than porters. Both made more in their first PAC fight than Maidana a haymon client got to fight Floyd. They got more than Ortiz or Guerrero got as well. Bradley's minimums are very high. Not all of the top earners are haymon fighters.

Thats what HBO does to build fighters it put them in with lower class opponents for them to beat down and look good. They did it to Berto/Broner/GGG/Kolalev But you don't like Haymon because he gets his fighters more $. Unless you work for HBO why should it matter who gets what .if anything GGG / Kovalev should get better managers. I wouldn't mind watching the Stevenson / Kovalev fight but right now Bernard/ Showtime bring more to the table with belts/ $/ Legacy then Kovalev does. Sergei hasn't done anything except beat bums and have earth shattering power. If they both keep winning then I don't see why this fight wouldn't get made. If there's enough hype and $ involved it'll probably get made. But in the meantime Sergei should take on legit names not just feast on C class fighters Over paying for fights effects us fans, directly. When they do we either get less fights or more PPV fights. So don't act like this shouldn't be an issue for the fans. It is. The only thing Bernard brings more to the table is belts. Stevenson will be forced to be the B-Side in a fight against Hopkins. It's no guarantee he'll make more money fighting Hopkins than he would with a 50/50 split against Kovalev. Legacy? What did beating Hopkins do to Chad Dawson's legacy? Not a damn thing. I like how you say all he's done is beat bums. Most people considered his fight with Cleverly a 50/50 fight. Kovalev dominates a guy he wasn't supposed to and now all of a sudden people act like that was supposed to happen.

What about Lara and Canelo? Probably a top 3 important fight of the year right there and guess who is one of the managers for that one? Porter and Brook is far from a tune up fight as well. Thurman is also getting ducked by a lot of guys, again, Haymon can't force these fighters to fight that guy. Omg seriously? Lara Canelo? He manages Lara, not Canelo (the money maker in the equation). Obviously he is going to make that fight. He has a guy that isn't a draw at all and is getting a seven figure payday against the 3rd biggest draw the sport, of course he's going to make that fight, he's not the one taking the risk. Canelo is the one taking the risk in that situation. He can get the same money against a much weaker opponent with a bigger name, instead he's fighting the guy who deserves it most. THis is how you manage a career. If Canelo was with Haymon and Lara wasn't I doubt this fight gets made

So condemn Haymon and excuse the others? That doesn't seem right at all. Are you fu cking serious? You're a moron who is obviously just a Haymon defender for no reason. I just listed a chart of **** he does wrong and that's what you respond to. Also don't act like you caught me in something. I fu cking bolded it for you. I think all managers suck, I just think Haymon sucks the worst. He sucks worst bc he manages all the guys that fans care to see. I don't care (as much) if Kathy Duva isn't giving the fans what they want to see with Curtis Stevens. I do care (alot more) when Al Haymon does the same thing with almost every fighter I want to see

Those fighters get paid way less and take up less budget for HBO though. Plus they're foreign fighters who are trying to build up a name in the USA. It's not the same thing as these established fighters who get paid 7 figures per fight and only fight twice a year to take tune ups no one wants to see. Bad comparison And Stevenson made a business decision... So what? It still sucks for boxing fans and we have every right to complain about it. Kovalev-Stevenson is a way better fight than Hopkins-Stevenson. Thats what HBO does to build fighters it put them in with lower class opponents for them to beat down and look good. They did it to Berto/Broner/GGG/Kolalev But you don't like Haymon because he gets his fighters more $. Unless you work for HBO why should it matter who gets what .if anything GGG / Kovalev should get better managers. I wouldn't mind watching the Stevenson / Kovalev fight but right now Bernard/ Showtime bring more to the table with belts/ $/ Legacy then Kovalev does. Sergei hasn't done anything except beat bums and have earth shattering power. If they both keep winning then I don't see why this fight wouldn't get made. If there's enough hype and $ involved it'll probably get made. But in the meantime Sergei should take on legit names not just feast on C class fighters

No, I just realize how STUPID some of today's boxing fans are, everybody just picky sides and acting like groupies and using absolutely NO LOGIC and COMMONSENSE! You're the one not using any logic here. You're unnecessarily bringing Mayweather into this for no reason. You have Kathy Duva filing a law suit saying Haymon is acting as promoter and manager. Did that happen because he managed Mayweather? No. It happened because Stevenson signed with Haymon. Max Kellerman put Al Haymon fighters on blast a couple years ago. Was that because he managed Mayweather too? No, it was because he was getting his fighter's these TV dates that no one cared about. Nothing to do with Mayweather

Yeah because HBO puts on nothing but elite match ups now, GGG vs Stevens/ Macklin. Kovalev vs Caparello/Agnew . Ruslan vs Algeri, Andrade vs Rose this new philosophy of HBO of putting on great match up is working wonders The best fighting the best no doubt. People stating because of The Berto/ Soto fight are literally retarded. Yeah the judges we're probably favoring Berto like every single A side in the history of boxing. Berto made it a competitive fight with 1 arm and would have blown Soto out if healthy. And it's not like Sofo wasn't rewarded with the win.he Got a Thurman fight and is getting a Alexander fight both Haymon fighters. It's better then at TR were someone like Rigo wins upsets the apple cart and is rewarded with nothing but negative press and Sh.!tty worth nothing fights. And for Stevenson he made a business decision he fought the same fight he was supposed to on HBO and he'll most likely face B-hop a ATG/ living legend, a fight that will probably make more $ and get 4/5 belts in the division. As opposed to a fighter who has beat absolutly nobody and at this point is all hype. Why did Kovalev settle for Caparello instead of a higher quality opponent but he doesn't get criticized. Those fighters get paid way less and take up less budget for HBO though. Plus they're foreign fighters who are trying to build up a name in the USA. It's not the same thing as these established fighters who get paid 7 figures per fight and only fight twice a year to take tune ups no one wants to see. Bad comparison And Stevenson made a business decision... So what? It still sucks for boxing fans and we have every right to complain about it. Kovalev-Stevenson is a way better fight than Hopkins-Stevenson.

They were about to rob Karass in that fight. Unfortunately, Haymon forgot to bribe the ref. That's one of the most egregious moments in boxing. Berto was complaining as if he got robbed of the fight by the ref. Then later after the winner announcement we found out that the 2 judges had Berto winning in the fight. Meaning, Karass would have been robbed had it not for the stoppage.