This is a fight that could have happened and if it had I can almost gaurentee a great fight! At 154 I have Trinidad all day, at 147 I give him the edge too but Mosley was a hell of a fighter (just watched back Shane vs ODH 1 this morn) at his best and would have gave Tito serious trouble and no doubt would have dropped him too
His only good win was against Oscar, and he was roiding for those fights. He admitted it himself.
Mosley "admitted" it for the 2nd DLH fight in 2003, at 154.
He has more good losses than good wins at 147. Mosley was only dominant as a lightweight. He's one of the ATG lightweights.
Mosley's oppositon was at best, decent.
He lacks the resume to be an ATG lightweight.
Beating DLH in 2000 at 147 is SO much better than anything he did at 135.
He was supposed to get killed against Margarito, how was that not a good win? How was prime Collazo not a good win?
For real, plasterito is mosley's 2nd best win at 147, and that was better than any of his 135 lb wins.
Mosley's best opponent at 135 was Philip Holiday for crying out loud.
Fighters like Leija and Molina were decent wins.
Golden Johnson
Demetrio Ceballos
Wilfredo Ruiz
Eduardo Morales
This is not the work of an ATG lightweight. Mosley left the division before he could establish himself as an ATG there, he went to 147.
This isn't 168 or cruiserweight where a weak resume can get you high on the all-time list. Lightweight has a real long history to it with great fighters.
I think a lot of you are forgetting the difference in handspeed here. When two guys go to war the man with the faster hands has a big advantage.
Tito had long arms and was deceptively quick. And Mosley was there to be hit -- Vernon Forrest had mediocre hand speed and tagged him plenty. I have no doubts Tito would land.
This is a hard fight to analyze. Both men struggled with 'boxers' which neither guy truly was in this case. It'd be a hell of a fight, tactically a war of attrition. Gun to my head I'd probably pick Trinidad.
Shane has an amazing chin, and in his youth, fantastic reflexes and speed coupled with some decent power. Tito had ko power in both hands, a relentless approach, and a willingness to always exchange.
I think Shane's lack of defence would be his downfall against Tito. The man always came forward, even when he was getting bombed out from Vernon. He still couldn't figure out to hold his hands up, and/or hold on/smother shots. Shane always believed his best defence was his offence and he never seemed to have a Plan B/C, etc...
By contrast, Oscar knew when to run, hold, spin, engage laterally with Tito. Can you see SSM employing any of these tactics? I can't. The man seemed to know one direction -forward.
And coming forward against Tito would be suicide. Shane might score an early knock down but eventually, he'd get ground down and then Tito's decapitating left hook would land and we would've seen Shane get KO'D.
His only good win was against Oscar, and he was roiding for those fights. He admitted it himself.
He has more good losses than good wins at 147. Mosley was only dominant as a lightweight. He's one of the ATG lightweights.
He was supposed to get killed against Margarito, how was that not a good win? How was prime Collazo not a good win?
Despite having more losses at 147 than good wins, those were against Forrest, Cotto(Draw IMO), Mayweather and Pacquiao. Trinidad wouldn't even dare step foot against Vernon Forrest. Mosley fought the much tougher opposition in their careers.
De La Hoya 2x
Forrest 2x
Winky 2x
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Cotto
Margarito
Canelo
Mora
Mayorga
Collazo
Vargas 2x
Molina
Leija
Sorry but that resume looks a lot tougher to get wins against than this:
Hopkins
Winky
De La Hoya
Vargas
Mayorga
Whitaker
Camacho
Joppy
Campas
Carr
Blocker
I believe Trinidad would have won, but Mosley doesn't go out without going for the gusto.
Damn I wish this fight happened! Probably better for Mosley's career that it didn't though.
I think Shane could have made Tito look terrible at 147... But Shane was completely underwhelming at 154 compared to 147 and down.
Although Tito had power, Oscar took it fine and I have no reason to believe Shane wouldnt have done the same seeing as he had an atg chin.
If Shane had a less than stellar beard I could see Tito really keeping that agressive version of Shane at least temporarily off him. Lets not forget Shane has retarded power too in addition to that rare athleticism.
IMO, I really feel Oscar and Shane were a small step above Tito. I loved Tito so it could be a try too hard to justify him winning but I cant think of a scenario where he beats Shane at 147... Tito could be tagged and dropped...i cant see how he'd go a whole fight vs Shane and not hit the canvas at least once and I dont see anyone stopping a 147 Shane...
Hell, I'm not sure there's more than a couple names who coulda stopped a 147 Shane EVER.
Considering how little success Mosley has had outside of 135, I'll take the bigger and more devastating north of 147 Trinidad.
Mosley's best success, or biggest wins, were at 147. His opposition was so-so at 135.
I'll give mosley a decent chance at 147, but definitely not at 154.
In a super fight between two bombers with great chins, I would pick the guy with the superior handspeed and that is Shane Mosley. Plus I liked how in their primes, Mosley looked better against important common opponents like De La Hoya and Winky than Trinidad did. Especially the rematch of the Winky fight, that fight was competitive, Shane even hurt Winky because he got ****y with what his chin could take and paid for it.
I would pick Trinidad at 154. Mosley was never impressive there IMO.
At WW, it's a tougher call. Mosley is more of a slugger than a boxer, and would get hit hard. Shane could take a good shot but could shell up, like he did versus Forrest (and Winky and Floyd, although he was 9-10 years past his WW peak).
I wouldn't count out Mosley though. Needless to say, he's a better fighter than the likes of Carr, Campas, and a 1999 Whitaker.
I've seen mosley at times use angles and box more, I think he would have to fight in that manner.
Tito by TKO at any weight. Shane had no head movement, and wasnt as good defensivly. I mean Mosley was losing to Rivera at 147 back in the day. Tito was to accurate and powerful for shane, who liked to trade when ever he got tagged, and you dont stay in front of tito trinidad and get away with it.
I thought Tito was ducking Mosley then but he barely make the 154 limit against Vargas, Mosley was in position to face Trinidad had he won in the rematch with Winky Wright.
Wow, I think me and you were the only one to remember this. Kudos to someone who knows his boxing.
I thought Tito was ducking Mosley then but he barely make the 154 limit against Vargas, Mosley was in position to face Trinidad had he won in the rematch with Winky Wright.
Mosley would have went to war with Tito.
You don't go to war with Trinidad and finish the fight
Tito knocks him out at both weights
Fight would be a classic with knockdowns galore