Can someone please explain in detail how Cotto is a top 5 ATG of this generation??

I don't think it's really debatable that the top 5 of this generation are.... Tie 1. Pac Tie 1. Floyd 3. Hopkins 4. Marquez 5. Cotto Kessler is Froch best win and Froch is one of the very few British fighters I actually like. Bute was the most overrated fighter in the last 10 years IMO. Groves is domestic and not all that great. He barely beat Degale and his biggest accomplishment is knocking Froch down. Jermain Taylor was a decent win at the time I guess, Abraham is decent too. Bradley is not better then Cotto. Cotto would beat him at any stage. Alexander was hot when he KO'D Urango who was never elite and after that his career has been extremely disappointing. Holt is Holt for god sake, Witter again is a good domestic fighter, decent win but never elite. Casamayor should NEVER be mentioned from his resume. Casamayor was a blown up lightweight who last was relevant when Marquez KO'd him and had no business being at 147. He was extremely past it at this point. Provodnikov almost beat him but besides Alvarez, who has Ruslan beat? He'll be remembered for giving Bradley a war when Bradley was desperate for attention and sold out to slug with him. Pac easily beat Bradley twice. Marquez is Bradley best and really only world class win. Let's not forget Bradley ducked a red hot jr. welterweight division to fight a past it blown up irrelevant Casamayor as welterweight TUNE UP.The Marquez win was by far the greatest thing he's ever done which gives him a better win then Cotto but he has no depth. Bringing up the Pac robbery and Casamayor only shows how desperate and low your hatred for Cotto is willing to go. Wlad has no amazing win just a long list of mediocre wins in an extremely weak era. HW is heating up so maybe he can gain some credibility back. Meanwhile..... People tend to forget events leading up to fights. A lot of people thought Cotto was done after Margarito and Pac and even thought Foreman would out hustle a SHOT Cotto. Quintana was even suppose to box circles around him. Hell so was Judah. The Judah win put him on the map and on the road to stardom. Even Delvin Rodriquez was thought of as this huge durable challenger for Cotto. If you look back to polls I remember TONS of posts about how people wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Delvin not only beat but stopped Cotto. Delvin was extremely durable and never caught a beat down before like the one he was about to receive. After the Trout fight again people thought he was done. Cotto stopped him in 3 and these same people tried play It off as it was "suppose" to happen. Even before the Martinez fight everybody was saying how Martinez would brutally stop this guy. Cotto had no right to step into the ring with him. Cotto was suppose to catch a horrible beating. YET AGAIN he defies the odds and brutalizes Martinez. Then people want to all the sudden bring up the surgeries. I don't want to debate this fight anymore, a lot of questions will be answered in Sergios next fight. I'll wait for that. Now onto Cotto ' s highlights. The Mosley fight was one of the best fights that year going in that boxing fans were looking forward too. Mosley was in no way past it or fading. He whooped Collazo right before and gave Vargas 2 brutal one sided beatings. This was by far Cottos biggest test to date. Mosley thrived on come forward aggressors and the fans were ready for this was but Cotto had a trick up his sleeve. He knew he couldn't just go toe to toe with Mosley and he showed tremendous boxing skill and versatility as he BOXED his way to a hard fought razor thin war of a win over Shane. Mosley went on to put Mayorga to sleep and give Margarita one of the biggest brutal beatdowns in boxing history. Enter Joshua Clottey who had went to hell and back with prime Margarito, took his best shots and narrowly lost. He came back to embarrass Corrales who didn't really have much left, and was on his way to beating Judah easily. Not to mention he was on his way to beating Baldomir too for the title. This was a huge test for Cotto after the Margarito lost. We were suppose to see how much he had left against a solid elite contender who was on the rise. Cotto went to hell and back plus he had to dig deep to pull out this victory. Not to mention in his jr welterweight run he went through some straight KILLERS! He won the belt off undefeated Pinto who has only went the distance twice in all his career wins , went to War to overcome Corley who had just went war with prime Zab and Floyd before he became a good journeyman, he went through hell and back to take out undefeated Torres who only went the distance twice before fighting Cotto and put a beating on Randall Bailey who's considered one of the P4P hardest punches in the SPORT. So yeah he never got to fight Hatton but he went through some killers at 140! So again Cottos whole career has been about defying the odds. It's always been about proving doubters like you wrong. They had questions about his chin at 140 and he took out some of the toughest SOB'S there. At 147 it was about can he get to the next level and be able to box bigger guys he can't overpower and he did that in a great fight against Mosley, again against Clottey. Even after the brutal beatings at the hands of Margarito and Manny he still went up a weight class and became champion before giving Floyd Mayweather one of the greatest boxers of our time arguably HIS TOUGHEST fight to date. Trout caught him on a bad night BUT STILL when you thought he was done he OBLITERATES Delvin Rodriquez who was suppose to give him a 12 round war if not beat him! Then again with all the cards stacked against him he went up to 160 when 75% of the boxing world who weren't Cotto fans thought he was walking into a maasacre, he destroyed Sergio and made history! So yeah, forgive me if I believe he's the 5th best fighter of this generation.

:lol1: You're really not that smart are you? Have you not read you dumb monkey on me putting him top 10 EASILY? What about the part that he could potential be at top 5? :dunce: I may of gone overboard with Darchinyan, totally forgot he has an "L" against Walters. Unlike many morons who only rate a guy off his prime, I'm not one of those sooooo yea, I can see Cotto maybe passing him. But remember, Cotto is 2-2 in his last 4 fights as well. Oh oh oh but he top 5 atg this gen you hater!! :lol1: Cotto does not pass 1. Pacquiao 2. Mayweather 3. Hopkins 4. Wlad 5. Marquez You dudes are drinking that Kool Aid big time. Oh and guess what?!?! I'm only a true fan of one of those guys, Wlad. I'm also giving credit to someone I truly dislike(Hopkins/Mayweather). Marquez and Pac annoy me a lot of the times too. Maybe even more than Cotto. You are the one who BEFORE the fight made the thread that said "Does Cotto even deserve credit for beating Sergio Martinez?". That's EXACTLY what I'm referencing. Darchiniyan does have an underrated resume to most who haven't followed this sport very long. He had very good wins at 112, but nothing remotely touches Cotto's wins over Mosley or Martinez. I can see JMM over Cotto, barely. Wlad? He's the HW champ, but his competition doesn't allow for a very good wins. Cotto's win over Mosley is better than any win on Wlad's resume. Wlad is top 10 of this era, but I can't see him over Cotto. And the fact that you constantly have to defend yourself as being a hater should tell you that you are acting like a hater. :lol1:

What propelled Cotto was Quintana. Absolutely. Like I said earlier, Carlos was the heavy betting favorite in that fight and was being touted as the next great Puerto Rican boxer by nearly everybody who followed the sport. You can't expect most NSB'ers to know that, though. An overwhelming majority of them didn't start watching boxing until De La Hoya.Mayweather or Pacquiao/De La Hoya. Actually No.... When he beat Torres in what was a hell of a fight, HBO started featuring him in the main events, when he fought Torres it was the main undercard bout on the card headlined by the Wladimir Klitschko-Samuel Peter. He was no longer a Undercard fighter after that Torres fight. Then His Destruction of Paulie at MSG opened his doors to be the mack daddy at MSG. Quintana was a not as popular in Puerto Rico he had fought nobody and beat nobody before fighting Cotto. Cotto Was a champ and had defended his belt several times. He had also Chop Chop, Pinto, Baiely, Ndou on his resume. Trust me I lived on the Island at the time this fight happend no one gave Quinatana any chance to win. Cotto was the Man after that performance against Torres.

You know, now that you say that, i totally agree with you. Ward or Froch go ahead of him on my list, didnt even think about those two. Im still not feeling Marquez over the past 10 years. You do realize Marquez beat Barrera in 2007 right?

No not even close. Hopkins Pacquiao Ward Mosley Donaire Wlad Wonjongkam Marquez Floyd Froch Vazquez etc You know, now that you say that, i totally agree with you. Ward or Froch go ahead of him on my list, didnt even think about those two. Im still not feeling Marquez over the past 10 years.

Cotto is not a top 10 boxer over the past 10 years? No not even close. Hopkins Pacquiao Ward Mosley Donaire Wlad Wonjongkam Marquez Floyd Froch Vazquez etc

If you think Cotto is a top 10 fighter of the last 10 years you do not know boxing plain and simple Cotto is not a top 10 boxer over the past 10 years?

If you think Cotto is a top 10 fighter of the last 10 years you do not know boxing plain and simple

Havent really thought about this but Manny Floyd Hopkins Marquez Wlad Cotto? Seriously. Besides knocking out Manny, what has Marquez really achieved over the past 10 years. Very serious question. I might say the 5 would be......... Floyd Manny Klitchsko x2 And either Hopkins or Cotto. You could probably throw Vitali in with these two and these 3 battle it out for the last 2 spots.

I rate Cotto, right up their with Donaire... Both great fighter but lost to the more well rounded opponents. Still only in my top 20 for the past decade

Havent really thought about this but Manny Floyd Hopkins Marquez Wlad Cotto?

I'd love to see a Cotto vs Jones resume . If we were to do the past 20 years into the 80's Cotto doesn't break the top 20 or 30.

What I'd like to ask Mr. Fantastic regarding his rankings is why he'd rank Marquez above Cotto. They honestly pretty close in my opinion in terms of accomplishment (though I prefer Marquez's style and consider him technically superior), but Marquez has lost to much lesser competition than Cotto has with the losses he took against Norwood and John. I don't think there's any shame in either man's losses, but I'm curious as to how he'd break down the distinction between the two. Overall resume....yes I do count those losses too. Marquez has been doing it for a longer time, hence more wins to add to his victories list(as well as loses). Now let's say Marquez's first 39 wins to Cotto's 39 wins, I would pick Cotto. As I mentioned, Cotto has more fights in him left than maybe Marquez so he does have a chance currently. I'll have some free time tomorrow to really break it down into more detail if you'd like?

What I'd like to ask Mr. Fantastic regarding his rankings is why he'd rank Marquez above Cotto. They honestly pretty close in my opinion in terms of accomplishment (though I prefer Marquez's style and consider him technically superior), but Marquez has lost to much lesser competition than Cotto has with the losses he took against Norwood and John. I don't think there's any shame in either man's losses, but I'm curious as to how he'd break down the distinction between the two.

What propelled Cotto was Quintana. Absolutely. Like I said earlier, Carlos was the heavy betting favorite in that fight and was being touted as the next great Puerto Rican boxer by nearly everybody who followed the sport. You can't expect most NSB'ers to know that, though. An overwhelming majority of them didn't start watching boxing until De La Hoya.Mayweather or Pacquiao/De La Hoya.

Does anyone remember Ricardo Torres? He was knocking MOFOs out. And that is one of Cottos most underrated wins. Made him a star. I don't know any other fighter at 140 that wanted to fight Ricardo Torres at the time Cotto fought him. It's what propelled Cotto. http://i36.tinypic.com/25im3p3.gif What propelled Cotto was Quintana.

You keep putting Marquez up there which I don't have a problem with.. True warrior. But then turn around and say Cotto can't be that great cause he's 2-2 in his last 4 fights... Well buddy.. Marquez is 3-2... So if you're gonna take that stance with Cotto I believe you should be fair and take Marquez down then too... Just saying... 3-2 is better than 2-2. :D Last 4 fights Marquez is 3-1...seeing what you trying to do was easy to tell a mile away. Both of them are 7-3 in their last 10 fights. And in those last 10 fights, Marquez's wins are more impressive than Cotto's. Just like Marquez's overall resume, still triumphs over Cotto. But Cotto can have the chance to change that. What if tomorrow he fights Ward and wins? Currently no, tomorrow maybe. Now tell me how a person with hate can say that? Fantastic sure is mad Cotto won. lawl!! Actually I'm laughing my ass off. Seeing how a love for a boxer can blind dudes from seeing reality. I think Marquez is good but slightly overrated. We are talking about the past 10 years. .. either people have a short memory or just don't watch fighters outside of their delusional fan base. Arguments could be made for Vernon Forrest. Paul Williams. Andre Ward. Carl Froch. Vitali Klitchko has had a more illustrious career than Cotto! Cotto lands in top 15 or 20 of the past 10 years. I'd love to see a Cotto vs Jones resume comparison. Cottos win over mosley tramples floyds wins over ortiz, hatton, mosley, guerrero, maidana, jmm Maybe, but please explain as to why.

If you're gonna start dropping names like Paul Williams or Andre ward then please explain as to how they've had a more illustrious career please.. Cause Paul Williams definitely did absolutely nothing... nothing to warrant him being better than Cotto at all.. Now you're reaching.... Williams had just of big of wins as Cotto if nor bigger outside of the fact hus career was cut short. A win over a old Mosley, old Martinez, a broken Clottey, weak ass Foreman and already battered Margarito doesn't warrant a better career than Paul. Also if try to argue that Cotto's past 10 years look better than the unified undefeated champ who took out all the top guys in his weight class, is ridiculous and down right ignorant.

Does anyone remember Ricardo Torres? He was knocking MOFOs out. And that is one of Cottos most underrated wins. Made him a star. I don't know any other fighter at 140 that wanted to fight Ricardo Torres at the time Cotto fought him. It's what propelled Cotto. http://i36.tinypic.com/25im3p3.gif

We are talking about the past 10 years. .. either people have a short memory or just don't watch fighters outside of their delusional fan base. Arguments could be made for Vernon Forrest. Paul Williams. Andre Ward. Carl Froch. Vitali Klitchko has had a more illustrious career than Cotto! Cotto lands in top 15 or 20 of the past 10 years. If you're gonna start dropping names like Paul Williams or Andre ward then please explain as to how they've had a more illustrious career please.. Cause Paul Williams definitely did absolutely nothing... nothing to warrant him being better than Cotto at all.. Now you're reaching....