I am starting to doubt my boxing...

Measuring distance and tap him a million times on the forehead? impressive..... Wlads jab is top 5 all time. That's universally recognized chief.

Haha, apparently everyone is supposed to posses a Wladimir type jab. Measuring distance and tap him a million times on the forehead? impressive.....

Bit of advice - don't jab to the head in street fights...it's not going to have much impact, isn't going to score you points and you are much better off throwing a jab to the body - the solar plexus to be precise. If you connect solidly, you will have not only the surprise factor (as the natural inclination and assumption of your opponent will be to punch to the head), but also possibly incapacitate or at least wind your opponent. This allows some time to get in close and grapple if you choose, or grab hold behind the neck as he doubles over or leans down and get a few knees into the body...it's a lot less hassle than swinging for the head, leaving yourself open and potentially suffering hand damage if you connect with a sharp bit of the face or perhaps a tooth. Or if you really want to punch, take the opportunity and throw a hook or uppercut. Jab to the head in the street fight? Definite no-no. Moral of the story - there's a much bigger target downstairs....use it. :boxing:

As a younger man I fought in the street. Then I discovered Boxing and realized that in a boxing match you are testing yourself in a safer, more controlled environment. I cannot condone street fighting, too may innocent lives are ruined by trying to prove how bad-ass you are in front of your friends or trying to impress women. My advice is that if you seek violent confrontation in the street you will eventually find it. Or it will find you... But you cannot control what the events that follow. I am not proud of my street-fighting days, but I look back at my boxing with pride and respect. The problem is also that as violent as we were when younger men, there was usually (not always) different horses for different courses. In other words, if we had a beef and we hung out in the same circles we would circle up, throw hands, and shake after. Maybe a ko would happen, maybe a broken nose. If I was going into anothr area I would carry a baseball bat because you could get jumped. On the other hand if someone raped our sister (for example) well again...different mentality different fight. Thing is in virtually all these situations people had a sense of honor and scale. If you knocked me down you wouldn't generally kick me in the head while I was getting up....Even getting jumped on, you would get a bet down but you could generally walk away from it after, maybe with sore ribs and a busted lip. Now a days these kids are watching mma and doing horrible things to each other in fights. Frankly now a days I would not let anyone get a chance at getting a hold of me in a fight...People are really devoid of all judgement. You see punks starting sh1t with a guy and instead of just a punch to the head, or a few, the punk is left unconscious, bleeding, probably with a concussion and never the same....I understand we get what we ask for but thats overkill in my opinion. I tell my kids that its not like my time....no fights and if anyone threatens you do whatever it takes to keep safe.

As a younger man I fought in the street. Then I discovered Boxing and realized that in a boxing match you are testing yourself in a safer, more controlled environment. I cannot condone street fighting, too may innocent lives are ruined by trying to prove how bad-ass you are in front of your friends or trying to impress women. My advice is that if you seek violent confrontation in the street you will eventually find it. Or it will find you... But you cannot control what the events that follow. I am not proud of my street-fighting days, but I look back at my boxing with pride and respect.

Your recollection of the truth is actually a false memory created by your brain to counteract the trauma-induced experience, If you don't realize this now it will destroy you from within. The first step to recovery is admitting defeat, and if it makes you feel any better, there are plenty of people out there who willing drink piss. Do not fret my brethren, keep calm and carry on! Thanks for the inept advice complete stranger

Thank you so much to the both of you, now that I think about it, my problem stems from ego. Like you guys said, having an expection of myself isn't gonna equate to reality and how the world works. In some ways I feel like that Charlie Z clown who overestimates his own skills. I admit, upon self reflection I am a bit of prick now that I think about it and its something I need to work on. Hopefuly this incident will make me a better human being and a better as well as more respectful boxer. If you use it as a catalyst to drive change it will become a positive event. Whilst I understand your angle there are a lot of common notions that we all tap into that hinder us, so this isn't really about your ego as such. And it certainly isn't about you being a prick or a clown (we'll get back to this). It's important to keep in mind that any occurrence is neutral and lacks form or significance until we attach meaning to it. It's that interpretation that makes the event what it is to you. Your feelings on this aren't stemming from the event, they're stemming from how you are interpreting it and the meaning you're attaching to it. We can't always control the events that happen throughout life. How we interpret them though, is entirely down to us. So bearing that in mind you'll see that the issue here isn't the event. On a more immediate level it's the meaning you're attaching to it. Behind that though, is the real gist of the problem. You've allowed yourself to get into the mental habit (and that's all it is) of interpreting events in a manner that make you feel worthless. You're passing judgement, belittling and verbally bullying yourself. A + B = That you're a clown and a prick! You may be doing this partly in the misguided belief that it will motivate you. It wont. Psychologically it will produce low confidence and physically it will induce lethargy. It isn't a moral thing, or a personal failing, it's simply a process that you've picked up from those around you and it doesn't work. It isn't fit for purpose and no amount of effort will ever make it so. Discard it. The first step to doing that is awareness. Catching yourself in those multiple moments throughout the day when you fall into that mental habit. Then, you intervene in a gentle and non-judgemental manner (remember, all you're doing is correcting what has become an automatic response, and it will take time and repetition. Anger and frustration wont aid you here). Intervene by picturing in your minds eye a RED STOP SIGN. Then either replace your negative interpretation with one that is more positive and practical or in the case of verbally belittling yourself simply drop the thought and move on. Do not fully engage and do not argue with yourself. Merely stop & replace or stop, drop & move on. Negative self talk is one of the most corrosive things you could ever subject yourself to. On a practical level, it does not work. There are far more effective ways of motivating yourself and interpreting the world around you. Once you've taken the time to implement this first step, attaching positive meanings will become as automatic as negative ones are at the moment. You will no longer berate yourself or call yourself names. This will increase your confidence because it's what you're doing at the moment that is causing the lack. Once you've done this first step you'll look for other ways to improve. With repetition and patience you'll create a very different world to the one you're creating now and your life will become a hell of lot easier once you've gotten yourself off your back. Other people will give you enough sh*t as it is, don't join in with them.

I never thought about it like that, to be honest with you, one of the reasons why I have lost faith in my self is the fact that I feel intense shame for engaging in a fight that could have been avoided, I let my anger/nerve get the best of me and I feel like a scumbag who doesn't really deserve to participate in boxing and that a person like me is just gonna disgrace real fighters and the culture of boxing which demands people to be strong minded both inside and outside the ring. I get what you are saying... It's often said amongst fighters that their greatest enemy is themselves. And this is true. You could have all the talent in the world... And train diligently.... But if you are in the way of yourself, only personal ruin can follow. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes... If you've found yourself in a fight, the best thing to do is finish it to the best of your ability and seek atonement and contemplate what you can do differently in future situations. I've been around the culture you speak of... And honestly no one in a boxing gym is going to fault you too much for scrapping with a loud mouth that probably insulted your honor... A lot of guys in boxing come from humble beginnings where they have to do what they have to do. There is very little judgment to be found because each guy has his story. If you are in the martial art world, such as Kung fu ect... They do frown on unneeded violence, but both worlds frown more on losing faith in yourself. That is something you have to come to terms with by yourself, can't be taught... But I would say the first step should be ridding yourself of guilt.... That can be a heavy burden. Humiliation is another one. You have some toxic emotion that needs to be dealt with before you can progress in your training.

Any fighting style can work, with the correct mindset and application.... his strength is boxing.. In a fight he needs to play his strengths. . Take his opponent into his world for a bit. I agree with that. I see what you're getting at.

Pick up MMA bro. I woulda shot a double, took him down and pounded him out on the floor. MMA works a lot better in the street than boxing does. Any fighting style can work, with the correct mindset and application.... his strength is boxing.. In a fight he needs to play his strengths. . Take his opponent into his world for a bit.

Exactly! The last thing people give up is admitting that you hurt them.. why you think this big mouth was running his mouth? His mouth was his best weapon (discouraged you and ect) and your FIST remains yours. Remember that fighting is just as mental as it is physical. Don't let a man take your heart with his trash talk just do what you do. Jab... chances are he felt it. But he is not going to admit it to you. Trash talk is just an attempt to disarm you. There IS a reason behind them doing this. And even if they are not hurt, if you catch them with a left hook while they are trash talking, their perceived strength is used AGAINST them. Honestly, if you can land a jab you can land a right. And one of my favorite shots to shake up a larger opponent is a jab/feint jab upstairs, straight right to the gut.. then sit down on a left hook or right uppercut. Any normal Joe will be unmade by this, because they will hunch in over a bit from the spear to the guts you just administered. If they still ain't down from that lead out with a right to the chin... it should connect they will go down. If you gonna fight (which I agree with Bill should be avoided if possible) cultivate persistance.. determination... When you go after a girl do you take the first no for an answer...no you keep on till you win her over! Same with a fight.. One technique didn't work? Pour out your whole arsenal.. He mentally trying to dominate you? Shatter that with shock and awe..show your training and why you are superior to a normal joe.. that is all my friend. I never thought about it like that, to be honest with you, one of the reasons why I have lost faith in my self is the fact that I feel intense shame for engaging in a fight that could have been avoided, I let my anger/nerve get the best of me and I feel like a scumbag who doesn't really deserve to participate in boxing and that a person like me is just gonna disgrace real fighters and the culture of boxing which demands people to be strong minded both inside and outside the ring.

Pick up MMA bro. I woulda shot a double, took him down and pounded him out on the floor. MMA works a lot better in the street than boxing does.

How many times have I seen people make very little of what's being done to them in a physical altercation, only to still get fucked up :lol1: Exactly! The last thing people give up is admitting that you hurt them.. why you think this big mouth was running his mouth? His mouth was his best weapon (discouraged you and ect) and your FIST remains yours. Remember that fighting is just as mental as it is physical. Don't let a man take your heart with his trash talk just do what you do. No it wasen't "him going down" but the fact that me not being able to close the distance and getting pushed back as well getting trash talked after hitting him even though it was a jab. I don't know, Im just looking to hear some feedback since I don't want my mind to assume things. Jab... chances are he felt it. But he is not going to admit it to you. Trash talk is just an attempt to disarm you. There IS a reason behind them doing this. And even if they are not hurt, if you catch them with a left hook while they are trash talking, their perceived strength is used AGAINST them. Honestly, if you can land a jab you can land a right. And one of my favorite shots to shake up a larger opponent is a jab/feint jab upstairs, straight right to the gut.. then sit down on a left hook or right uppercut. Any normal Joe will be unmade by this, because they will hunch in over a bit from the spear to the guts you just administered. If they still ain't down from that lead out with a right to the chin... it should connect they will go down. If you gonna fight (which I agree with Bill should be avoided if possible) cultivate persistance.. determination... When you go after a girl do you take the first no for an answer...no you keep on till you win her over! Same with a fight.. One technique didn't work? Pour out your whole arsenal.. He mentally trying to dominate you? Shatter that with shock and awe..show your training and why you are superior to a normal joe.. that is all my friend.

I fought a guy on the street about 18 months ago in a road rage incident and I can say that things aren't always as they seem. This guy tried to run me into a median and started brake checking me when I got up behind his dumb a55. I threw my middle fingers up at the guy and he pointed to the side of the road. That's all I needed because I was already super pissed at what they idiot had done. He pulls off the road to the right and I came right behind him about 3-4 car lengths back and jumped out. I did this out of anger and realized it was stupid because the guy could have shot me if he had a gun. He didn't so I approached and for a few feet from him asking what the problem was and why he was dricing like a prick. The guy went into how I brake checked him first, etc when I just went the speed limit over a bridge that is known for having police sitting on the other side waiting for speeders. The guys is talking minor crap and I'm doing the same. The next thing you know were pretty close and the guy ends one of his sentences with 'b*tch" with authority. Now, usually I don't start sh*t, I just react violently once threatened, but this guy saying this so close to my face and having such an attitude saying it, thinking I wasn't going to do anything but b*tch, pushed my button just right. I threw the left hook and didn't really mean to land it with full force and the guy pulled back so I missed by a few inches. Once I knew where his head was going to be pulling back I threw a right hand that would have made Tszyu in his prime proud. I connected 100% solid on the cheek of the guy. It wasn't the chin but the way the punch landed I literally looked down at the ground expecting the guy to be there twitching............he wasn't. The guy came forward trying to throw punches but I was winging my own with such speed and accuracy, he could land nothing and just tried to take me down. I used leverage to push his momentum around me and he hit the ground. As he was on all fours I remember thinking I could kick this guy straight in the face and this is over but I just can't be that cruel. Plus, It had been a while since I had been in a fight and wanted to see if I still "had It". As it turns out, I did still have it in spades but as we were fighting I realized that weight makes a huge difference in impact of punches. I literally hit the guy with almost everything I had again and he fell this time but he wasn't seriously hurt and certainly wouldn't have stayed down for ten seconds had I not got on top of him this time. Now, for an additional bit of info, the guy was about 6' tall, same as me but outweighed me by about 20-30 lbs. I go at 200-208 lbs usually and would probably fight at light heavyweight if I boxed. I out boxed the guy easy and landed on him hard enough to fracture my hand but still couldnt seriously hurt the guy. I came away feeling like sh*t because I did that for a stupid reason but what bothered me most was not knocking the guy down or out enough to stop him. He landed nothing that remotely hurt me and I landed just like I wanted each time I threw a combination. I went away feeling like a POS especially when I found out that I lost a priceless necklace in the fight that my brother gave me when I was a teenager. I think it was gods way of telling me to settle down and it's not wlways worth it. The point of the story was to entertain and to help the TS know and understand that things don't always go how they play out in your mind or how you see it on TV........Stick to doing it in a gym as a sport. That's what I'm going to do............ Hopefully. Thanks for reading. It just sounds like you didn't want to fight that's all. There's nothing wrong with that. Your opponent didn't want to either. If he did he would have thrown some punches and not walked off because someone threatened to call the police. You're also putting unrealistic expectations on what you can do with a single jab and tying your self esteem to how well you think you performed in a street fight. You're more than that. You're not the outcome of a sordid little incident in the street. That's not how you define yourself. Plus, what makes you think you should be a good street fighter? Boxing isn't particular suited to it and you don't have any experience. Tyson didn't have any joy against Mitch Green when he tried to box him on the street. He had to use rough house tactics to get the job done, and he's Mike f*ckin' Tyson! Boxing isn't street fighting and you jabbed him because on the level where it matters you didn't want to fight. You care what people will think about you and want to present yourself as a decent human being. You weren't committed to being the kind of w*nker that makes a tw*t of yourself by fighting in the street. That's admirable. You should commend yourself, not berate yourself. When you fight in a ring you don't have to contend with those thoughts, when you fight in the street you do. It takes a little experience to suppress your decency and not be concerned about the thoughts of onlookers. That's not an admirable trait. Thank you so much to the both of you, now that I think about it, my problem stems from ego. Like you guys said, having an expection of myself isn't gonna equate to reality and how the world works. In some ways I feel like that Charlie Z clown who overestimates his own skills. I admit, upon self reflection I am a bit of prick now that I think about it and its something I need to work on. Hopefuly this incident will make me a better human being and a better as well as more respectful boxer.

It's about instincts and reflexes. Dude puts his hands out and you immediately smack them to the side, towards your fast hand and counter with the jab (your fast hand) and come over the top with your right and immediately slide to your right because his momentum will be going in the opposite direction. When he turns around to face you, punch him square in the bridge of his nose before he can attempt to do anything and then grab his adam's apple and squeeze it until he falls to the ground. Then you proceed to walk away like a boss.

Just wanna say that its been I think a year since I posted so its been a while. So to get to the point, I got in to a phyiscal altercation with a guy bigger than me. So I hit him with a jab and he said "lol wtf was that BS" and he started circling around and anytime I would step to get close he would push me back. I kept trying to close the distance but he kept circling around while keeping his distance while having two hands extended forward do I woulden't get close. In the end a bystander threatend to call the cops and we both left. This was few months ago but me hitting him with a jab and he shaking it off really has made me lose faith in myself. I don't know, ever since I been back in boxing I haven't been the same and am losing confident in my own skills. Oh and I know fighting outside is wrong and I deeply regret it and I am deeply ashamed for being partly blamed for the incident. I immediately pictured you fighting Bullet Tooth Tony.

There are some really hateful people in here projecting their insecurities with huge inferiority complexes disguised as superiority. You know me better than my own shrink does. How much do you charge per hour?

Don't worry. Just go find some small dweeb type kid and pummel him, trust me, you'll feel like a champion boxer once you do.

There are some really hateful people in here projecting their insecurities with huge inferiority complexes disguised as superiority.

LMAO! It's pointless to falsify the story, I was there observing the fight unfold from a distance, and it was nothing like how you portrayed it to be. You pulled up behind the guy, exited your Prius, then began approaching him in a passive manner, as you attempted to mutter an apology he rudely interrupted you with a haymaker that immediately separated you from your senses. As your unconscious body lay sprawled out on the road, he proceeded to urinate directly into your mouth; like he was trying to win a prize at a carnival, then he got back into his car and drove off, leaving you to dry out in the summer heat. :lol1: Lol. Good little reply but yea It happened exactly as I wrote it. Glad you read and enjoyed it.