Miguel Cotto= Injustice

I have a dry humor about me as well, so what? It doesn't change a thing. I mean, if you are going to write, you have to think about your audience. Your audience is: A. Half Pac fans B. Seeking entertainment C. ADD patients. So, writing a flat line novel that feigns impartiality, is bereft of wit, and that even cries pitifully about Pac being on ped's when he beat Cotto, misses the point in so many ways. My point in my original post is I enjoy watching Cotto fight, but to have the level of dedication to Cotto you feign not having would take more than just enjoying watching him fight. It means you are in accord with his odd "idiosyncrasies", we'll call it. Since we're being nice. Are you not? I don't know how anyone could sit down and write all of that unless they have a Cotto poster on their wall. So my overall reaction to this thread is one of morbid curiosity and bewilderment. Lol. I swear his eyes go completely blank when he does that. I wouldn't be surprised if monitors hooked up to him registered him as brain dead every time he goes 3rd person mode. LOL, you really believe I want to be a writer don't you? I have a wonderful enjoyable life. I can't complain with what I have. Sports media make me sick. Most of them are a bunch of trolls, that criticize people for a living that are doing something productive with their lives. I can continue and bring down the job of the writers and journalists, but I'm not goin to do that. Everyone needs to hustle and try to make a living. The reason I decided to make this thread is because I'm in the middle of nowhere taking a break from work. I was watching ESPN First Take (ironically) and got bored to death. I was taking a sht and I remembered that Sergio vs Cotto is this Saturday. I thought to myself, I need to tell this fools that are non believers, Cotto's credentials inside the ring because he gets treated like the black sheep of boxing. Other fighters have ducked a bunch of fights and took shortcuts to get to the top and are praised like ATGs. I'm a Sergio Martinez fan also, he's another fighter that doesn't get the respect he deserves. I should make a similar thread about him :lol1:. If you think that it was hard for me to type all that *****, no it wasn't. Sometimes I think too fast for my own good. I don't spend much time browsing this website or the internet in general. I don't even know why I created an account here. It must have been slow a$$ boring day, the day I created this account. But anyway nice talking to you :wave:.

OMG, too much to read here. Not that interested, but I respect your opinion. I just don't see what he's done to be a hall of famer. He beat Paulie and Judah, that was good. Margarito beat him bad and there is no evidence he had plaster wraps, just like we can't say Pac was on PED's without evidence. You can think what you want, but that is not fact and we can be wrong. Cotto beat Margarito in the rematch, but Margarito's eye was already damaged by Pacquiao. Who has Cotto even really beat? He's a good fighter and likable personality, but I wouldn't say he's hall of fame worthy to those that believe he is. The reason I agreed he is a hof'er is the quality of opposition he has faced. Pac, Mosley, Floyd, and now Martinez. That's a who's who of powerhouse names. I also believe a fighter can distinguish themselves, even in defeat. Cotto is such a case. All jokes aside I hope he accounts for himself well in his losing effort against the Middleweight king.

Dare I say a big reason Cotto is as famous as he is, get's the revenue he does and is surely on his way to HOF status is due to him being Puerto Rican and having a super duper fan base? I think one can make that argument without being called a hater, yes? In fact, being that he lost his most crucial fights, wouldn't that be the only explanation for him still being "the A side" these days? His fan base, no? I think if he were Nigerian there wouldn't be as many Avi's with his face around these parts that's for sure. Agreed?

I decided to make this thread because I think a lot of people don’t give Cotto the respect he deserves. A lot of critics say that he shouldn’t be in the hall of fame or that he’s a borderline hall of famer. They talk about him like he’s just another fighter. I’m not a groupie or a blind fan that supports everything a fighter does. I breakdown Miguel’s entire career, so if you don’t like to read fack off, just kidding :grouphug:. This ATG stuff, my hands are sore after typing all this *****. Damn, I should start a career as a writer. I can make better articles than all this wanna be tough keyboard warriors, zero objectivity puppets………….let me stop, someone may get butthurt. I think Cotto’s resume at JWW is underrated. A lot of people talk like he fought a bunch of mediocre fighters and his championship run in that division is garbage. I couldn’t disagree more, he fought like 5 undefeated fighters in his run at JWW and not only that, he won those fights in impressive fashion. To me for a young contender or champion coming up that proves a lot more than beating old, shot and smaller fighters. When you fight young undefeated fighters they are hungry, more resilient and they have something to prove. In the process you learn more as a fighter because you’re having tougher fights very early in your career. But of course in this internet era no matter against you win or how you win, people (media and fans) won’t give you credit. A lot of them criticize him because he won a couple of vacant titles, but if he beat a champion for his title they would have said he just beat a paper champion or a weak title holder. To me winning a vacant title shouldn’t matter that much, what should matter most is against who you defend that championship because a lot the champions of today and the past have won vacant titles. He beat an undefeated Malignaggi (world champion in 2 divisions), undefeated Maussa (world champion) and undefeated Torres (world champion). I remember at that time I wanted Cotto to fight Vivian Harris, who at that moment was one of the top guys in the division, but he got beat by Maussa. I also wanted him to fight Junior Witter another young fighter and one of the top guys. I believe they negotiated that fight but it didn’t come through because of an injury or because they offered Witter the fight on short notice, something like that. Torres beat a prime Kendoll Holt who was like the Lamont Peterson of this era. I know many of you will think that what I’m going to say is blasphemous, but in terms of skills Ricardo Torres reminds me of Lucas Mathysse. Both are big punchers with pretty good skills, the only difference between them is exposure. Mathysse has a big company like Golden Boy behind him that puts him on main events on premium cable channel and in every press conference start saying stuff like he’s gonna be the next Pacquiao, the machine, the beast, etc., and the media and fans start feeding into that ****. Cotto also has wins over decent fighters that were still in their prime like Lavamore Ndou (world champion), Corley (world champion), and Bailey (world champion in 2 divisions). It makes me laugh when people give Ricky Hatton credit for beating Ben Tackie (who wasn’t even a world champion) and for his horrible performance in his WWE match against Urango. A lot of people don’t remember that Cotto and Hatton were supposed to fight each other for the vacant WBO title. They were ranked # 1 and # 2, but Frank Warren said that he wasn’t interested in making that fight and they were going in another direction. I even remember the british reporters talking about how Hatton wasn’t ready for that fight, even though he had like 20 more fights than Cotto. Cotto’s team said, that if Hatton’s team proposed the best offer to make the fight in the UK they were willing to go to England with no problem. So don’t blame Cotto for that fight not happening. I believe if that fight happened in the last couple of fights of Cotto’s JWW run it would’ve been an interesting fight because Cotto was killing himself to make weight and Hatton had the ability to hurt him. But if they fought in the first part of Cotto’s career at JWW or in the WW division, it wasn’t even a contest who was the better fighter. Cotto is much more skillful and on top of that is bigger and stronger than Hatton. Kosta Tzyu wasn’t going to fight Cotto either. He was looking to retire and his choices were limited. He had the option to fight a young veteran in Mayweather (who wasn’t a big star at that time), a young up and coming champion in Cotto (who wasn’t a big star in the US either) or a young up and coming champion in Ricky Hatton (who was a big star in the UK). His decision was pretty easy, he chose to make a huge event in Europe with Hatton and made a lot of money. I don’t blame him, if I was his promoter I would’ve done the same thing. Overall, I think Cotto had some good and decent wins at JWW. Cotto fought the majority of the top fighters in that division, and as a fan that’s all you can ask. That’s how he became a great fighter. If you beat and especially dominate B and C class fighters that doesn’t make you a B or C class fighter, that makes you an A class fighter. If you beat another A class fighter in his prime that’s how you become an ATG. So there’s a difference between an A class fighter and an ATG. Kosta Tsyu didn’t became a great fighter by beating a bunch of ATGs or A class fighters during his reign of terror. He had a lot wins against decent and good fighters; he’s biggest accomplishment was beating an undefeated Zab Judah. Wladimir Klitshko is another example, he’s considered an A class fighter and I agree. But people think he’s an ATG and he’s beating a bunch of C class and some B class fighters. I can mention many more examples, but I don’t want to stay here all day. A lot of people say that Zab Judah is one of Cotto’s best wins and I completely disagree. Judah was just a name and he was coming off back to back losses. I mean you could say that Tzyu broke him mentally and Cotto destroyed him physically and pretty much he was done after that. Maybe that was a decent win but I don’t give him much credit at all for beating Zab. I think his win over an undefeated Quintana is underrated. Quintana beat an undefeated Joel Julio in a fight that he was a huge underdog and nobody expected him to win, so you gotta give him credit. He also had a clear victory over Paul Williams. I truly believe if it wasn’t for injuries, inactivity, bad management he would’ve had a better career. He was an awkward southpaw with pretty good skills and also had some pop in his punches. Cotto also has clear victory over Shane Mosely. I heard a few people say that the fight should’ve been a draw or Cotto should’ve lost, but that’s being a straight up hater. Yes it was a close competitive fight, but Cotto won at least 8-4. You can make a case that Mosely 5 rounds at most. If Mosley fought the exact same type of fight against Mayweather, he would’ve lost via shutout and the Mayweather groupies would brag about how dominant he was. Cotto outboxed, outhustled and outlanded Mosley throughout the fight. People don’t give him credit how good he was defensively in that fight. You could argue that Mosely was lil bit past prime, but he wasn’t done as a fighter by any means. Before fighting Cotto he dominated Fernando Vargas, Luis Collazo and after fighting Cotto he destroyed Margarito. I also think Mosely was on steroids when he fought Cotto, he probably used steroids the majority of his career. You gotta be naive to think, he only he used steroids against DLH. Even against Margarito I’m sure he was on the juice. You could see the difference in his body between his fights against Margarito and Mayweather. OMG, too much to read here. Not that interested, but I respect your opinion. I just don't see what he's done to be a hall of famer. He beat Paulie and Judah, that was good. Margarito beat him bad and there is no evidence he had plaster wraps, just like we can't say Pac was on PED's without evidence. You can think what you want, but that is not fact and we can be wrong. Cotto beat Margarito in the rematch, but Margarito's eye was already damaged by Pacquiao. Who has Cotto even really beat? He's a good fighter and likable personality, but I wouldn't say he's hall of fame worthy to those that believe he is.

Ummmm what? :lol1: I'm talking about Cotto's accomplishments inside the ring and your talking homosexuality, marriage, servants. I feel like I deserve a reward after reading all your slag. I was fcking around when I said I should start a career as a writer, sarcasm baby. You are right, I don't have what it takes to be a writer. The writers are a bunch of puppets that keep their mouths shut when they don't agree with somenthing, just to be on the good side of the promoters and fighters. I have a dry humor about me as well, so what? It doesn't change a thing. I mean, if you are going to write, you have to think about your audience. Your audience is: A. Half Pac fans B. Seeking entertainment C. ADD patients. So, writing a flat line novel that feigns impartiality, is bereft of wit, and that even cries pitifully about Pac being on ped's when he beat Cotto, misses the point in so many ways. My point in my original post is I enjoy watching Cotto fight, but to have the level of dedication to Cotto you feign not having would take more than just enjoying watching him fight. It means you are in accord with his odd "idiosyncrasies", we'll call it. Since we're being nice. Are you not? I don't know how anyone could sit down and write all of that unless they have a Cotto poster on their wall. So my overall reaction to this thread is one of morbid curiosity and bewilderment. See the bolded. I find it so hilarious when he does that :lol1: Lol. I swear his eyes go completely blank when he does that. I wouldn't be surprised if monitors hooked up to him registered him as brain dead every time he goes 3rd person mode.

If you take off the guys he lost to(and will lose to on saturday) it's a much less impressive resume TBH. Nuff' respect though. That's a valid point, but even if you did take them off the list would still include multiple champions across weight divisions, and the point I was making is that if you take any other top fighter on the list and run their record down, you wouldn't be able to say that they fought everybody they should have. Hell, the top two on his list of opponents have yet to, and most likely never will, fight each other. Mayweather never fought Margarito either, went out of his way to make sure of it for a couple of years. Cotto is the only guy that can say he fought all of the top opposition there was for him to face, including Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Just in case anybody tries to question his resume, let's run down a quick list of former/current champs or world title challengers Cotto has fought during his career: Mayweather Pacquiao Mosley Judah Margarito Malignaggi Quintana Trout Mayorga Maussa Ndou Bailey Corley Pinto Torres Rodriguez Branco Martinez(as of Saturday) And I may still be missing some... He has taken on all comers, and has never let anything get in the way of negotiating a fight. No other fighter on the list of his opponents can make the same claim. Cotto=HOF.. It's not even a question. If you take off the guys he lost to(and will lose to on saturday) it's a much less impressive resume TBH. Nuff' respect though.

For the OP. You are not concise or witty enough to be a boxing journalist. I barely struggled through all that slag. I feel I deserve a reward or something, I literally feel like I'm the only one that read all that. Cotto did not win 5 rounds against Mayweather, any way you slice it. I'm a fan of Cotto's, as I am a fan of many boxers. I find his 3rd person way of referring to himself highly annoying, and also question the fact he flaunts himself in a physical capacity in 24/7's to a mythical female boxing fan base (don't think many females sitting down ordering ppv's and they mostly just go to the events to be seen), and presumably homosexuals. It seems like a sellout of sorts, a fringe corruption to his marriage, which consequently makes me question his integrity and moral character. This is all further validated by Martinez alleging that Cotto treats people like servants. None of this would be important if I'm just watching a fight and enjoying the style match ups..the guts.. The glory ect. . But to have the level of dedication that you profess to Miguel "Angel" Cotto, I would need to be in some sort of accord with how he conducts himself, which I am not. Sorry. He is a hof'er though. I'll agree with that. See the bolded. I find it so hilarious when he does that :lol1:

Just in case anybody tries to question his resume, let's run down a quick list of former/current champs or world title challengers Cotto has fought during his career: Mayweather Pacquiao Mosley Judah Margarito Malignaggi Quintana Trout Mayorga Maussa Ndou Bailey Corley Pinto Torres Rodriguez Branco Martinez(as of Saturday) And I may still be missing some... He has taken on all comers, and has never let anything get in the way of negotiating a fight. No other fighter on the list of his opponents can make the same claim. Cotto=HOF.. It's not even a question.

Anybody that thinks Miguel Cotto does not belong in the Hall of Fame has completely lost their mind. This man is a 4 time world champion in 3 different divisions, with the possibility of a fourth division title this Saturday. And he has accomplished all of this while fighting the best that boxing has had to offer in his era. He has never ducked anybody, always comes to fight, and has never made excuses when he lost a fight. There are plenty of fighters in the HOF with more questionable resumes than that of Miguel Cotto. There is no way anybody can reasonably say he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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I think if you say Cotto doesn't get into the HOF partially due to his popularity you're being disingenuous. I mean, there isn't a particular fight or win that gets him in so some of it definitely has to be attributed to his consistent, supportive and ever loving fan base. Without Ward, Gatti wasn't getting in to the HOF. That's clear as day. We can't do that with Cotto though. Margarito hardly suffices in that regard.

For the OP. You are not concise or witty enough to be a boxing journalist. I barely struggled through all that slag. I feel I deserve a reward or something, I literally feel like I'm the only one that read all that. Cotto did not win 5 rounds against Mayweather, any way you slice it. I'm a fan of Cotto's, as I am a fan of many boxers. I find his 3rd person way of referring to himself highly annoying, and also question the fact he flaunts himself in a physical capacity in 24/7's to a mythical female boxing fan base (don't think many females sitting down ordering ppv's and they mostly just go to the events to be seen), and presumably homosexuals. It seems like a sellout of sorts, a fringe corruption to his marriage, which consequently makes me question his integrity and moral character. This is all further validated by Martinez alleging that Cotto treats people like servants. None of this would be important if I'm just watching a fight and enjoying the style match ups..the guts.. The glory ect. . But to have the level of dedication that you profess to Miguel "Angel" Cotto, I would need to be in some sort of accord with how he conducts himself, which I am not. Sorry. He is a hof'er though. I'll agree with that. Ummmm what? :lol1: I'm talking about Cotto's accomplishments inside the ring and your talking homosexuality, marriage, servants. I feel like I deserve a reward after reading all your slag. I was fcking around when I said I should start a career as a writer, sarcasm baby. You are right, I don't have what it takes to be a writer. The writers are a bunch of puppets that keep their mouths shut when they don't agree with somenthing, just to be on the good side of the promoters and fighters.

Darn Son! You are on a roll with ATG posts and responses! If I could I would Green K you again!!! 5T Donation coming your way and a Superman Gift for outstading contributions! Keep it up! It's ok my man :lol1:

For the OP. You are not concise or witty enough to be a boxing journalist. I barely struggled through all that slag. I feel I deserve a reward or something, I literally feel like I'm the only one that read all that. Cotto did not win 5 rounds against Mayweather, any way you slice it. I'm a fan of Cotto's, as I am a fan of many boxers. I find his 3rd person way of referring to himself highly annoying, and also question the fact he flaunts himself in a physical capacity in 24/7's to a mythical female boxing fan base (don't think many females sitting down ordering ppv's and they mostly just go to the events to be seen), and presumably homosexuals. It seems like a sellout of sorts, a fringe corruption to his marriage, which consequently makes me question his integrity and moral character. This is all further validated by Martinez alleging that Cotto treats people like servants. None of this would be important if I'm just watching a fight and enjoying the style match ups..the guts.. The glory ect. . But to have the level of dedication that you profess to Miguel "Angel" Cotto, I would need to be in some sort of accord with how he conducts himself, which I am not. Sorry. He is a hof'er though. I'll agree with that.

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Sylvester Stallone is in the HOF.... Something is terribly wrong if Cotto doesn't get in.... And yes, the notion that Cotto doesn't belong is preposterous.

Agree with this. People fell in love with Cotto for whatever reason. Obviously Puerto Ricans, but his resume is nothing special. If he makes the HOF it's because his fame. Come on buddy, you need to stay away from the bad weed. This has to be one of the dumbest post all year in this message board. Red K.

Why should he be inducted? Iv been following long enough to have seen cotto lose his biggest fights. But I get it, your rican. Guys like mayweather, pacquiao, Marquez are HOF worthy. Cotto is a level below. Red K and reported for racist comments. We don't need racist individuals on this message board.

Man please tell ME your from Europe? Where TF have you been or better yet how long have you followed boxing? MC not an H.O.F.ER? :soapbox: PRPP:boxing: Why should he be inducted? Iv been following long enough to have seen cotto lose his biggest fights. But I get it, your rican. Guys like mayweather, pacquiao, Marquez are HOF worthy. Cotto is a level below.