After knocking out ricky Hatton, Pacquiao was at his ceiling mark as far as weight classes to me and the wins he had post Hatton did little to enhance his legacy. Cotto was a very good win...Shane, Margo at 150 and 1-1 with Marquez, 1-1 with Bradley....not so much
Junior Welterweight was red hot and had its gatekeepers, contenders, and title holders
Holt, Mattyssee, Garcia, Urango, Alexander, Maidana, Kotelnik, Khan, Rios, Provodnikov, Lamont Peterson, even could have fought both Marquez and Bradley at 140
Manny is a great fighter, a true ATG, but instead of all the weight hopping after 140, I'd have like to seen him clean out a weight class....JWW was deeper than 147
He is p4p top 30 definitely but it would be hardpressed to rank him top ten all time in any weight class. He never stay long enough to establish dominance
none of these guys were a factor after Pac detonated Hatton. Gbp had nothing at 140 nor was there any quality comp in the division
I was saying had he stayed there between then and now....WW has a lot of golden boy fighters as well
The point is Pacquaio is/was better suited for 140 and could have stayed there had some more fights.
Over the past 5 years there have been a lot of talent in that weight class
How could he have cleaned out the division at 140 when the best 5-8 fighters are with GB......he would of been fighting bums at 140 with Top Rank!
none of these guys were a factor after Pac detonated Hatton. Gbp had nothing at 140 nor was there any quality comp in the division
I'll stick by what I've always said. Pac at 140 would beat almost anyone else at that weight in a straight up fight and he would beat 140 Floyd Mayweather.
I agree he beats almost anyone at 140 outside of Pryor, canzoneri, barney ross, benitez, mayweather...tszyu would be a toss up, that right hand oh dear
You do realize that mayweather at 140 was in his prime 27 to 28
Not the floyd of today...he was more offensive coming into his own as a defensive maestro with the athleticism of his youth and was actually hurting, dropping, and stopping guys
I think pac today has better shot, his defense is better, he isnt as reckless and has better ring generalship
Sasakul was far from weak. He had never been knocked out before and was beasting through the flyweight division before he got to Manny. Manny was a huge underdog going into that fight and was losing big before knocking out Sasakul in the 8th.
Yes huge underdog, I bet you were watching back then huh?
I'll stick by what I've always said. Pac at 140 would beat almost anyone else at that weight in a straight up fight and he would beat 140 Floyd Mayweather.
Sasakul was far from weak. He had never been knocked out before and was beasting through the flyweight division before he got to Manny. Manny was a huge underdog going into that fight and was losing big before knocking out Sasakul in the 8th.
Ya but all the other names are better all time. Even some shot fighters they faced. That's the point i was trying to make a lineal title is great but facing a name that will bump your status and resume is better than a lineal.
For his fifth lineal title he would have to beat floyd at 147 or 154
I dont think he can make 135 anymore for a 5th lineal title
I think his lineal titles are 112, 126, 130, and 140
Honestly id rather he stayed at 140 at 147 he has fought ,3 guys who moved up to face him from 140 anyway...rios, marquez, and bradley who was the man at 140.then moved up
Lineal is good to have but sometimes who you fight is even better. I mean they both have one weak lineal champ that they beat.
Pac- Chatchai Sasakul
Floyd-Carlos BaldomirSasakul was far from weak. He had never been knocked out before and was beasting through the flyweight division before he got to Manny. Manny was a huge underdog going into that fight and was losing big before knocking out Sasakul in the 8th.
There are talks of him going down to 140 but the promotional dispute will still prevent a oot of great fights. I think he'll look more potent at that weight.
he would surpass Floyd Mayweather Jr.
at the moment, they both have held 4 lineal titles in their careers.
He actually surpassed Floyd until Floyd "tied" him. Who cares really? achievements get very hazy. Pac beat Diaz for his divisional title. Diaz? Diaz shouldve lost to a shot Morales.
Arum just wasnt able to sell Morales 4.....politics and what not
he would surpass Floyd Mayweather Jr.
at the moment, they both have held 4 lineal titles in their careers.
Lineal is good to have but sometimes who you fight is even better. I mean they both have one weak lineal champ that they beat.
Pac- Chatchai Sasakul
Floyd-Carlos Baldomir