Post your list, however many fighters you wish
Here is my top 20:
Using mostly fighters from SAA's epic list, here is my top 20 of the 21st century, subject to change:
1. pacquaio
2. hopkins
3. mayweather jr.
4. wladimir
5. juan manuel marquez
6. erik morales
7. marco antonio barrera
8. oscar de la hoya
9. vitali klitschko
10. joe calzaghe
11. felix trinidad
12. andre ward
13. shane mosley
14. winky wright
15. sergio martinez
16. Guillermo Rigondeaux
17. Miguel angel cotto
18. Jose Luis Castillo
19. Timothy bradley
20. Diego Corrales
new list as of 11/06
1. pacquaio
2. hopkins
3. mayweather jr.
4. wladimir
5. juan manuel marquez
6. erik morales
7. marco antonio barrera
8. oscar de la hoya
9. vitali klitschko
10. joe calzaghe
11. andre ward
12. shane mosley
13. winky wright
14. miguel angel cotto
15. guillermo rigondeaux
16. jose luis castillo
17. diego corrales
18. timothy bradley
19. sergio martinez
20. wonjgongkam
ward resume breakdown of past 5 years:
kessler only previously beaten by calzaghe and was favoured to win super 6. dominating performance. 2 points deducted for fouling on my score. 8
allan green - dominating win against an over matched guy 5
bika- rough and tuff win vs a wild awkward style 7
abraham- 2nd favourite to win super 6 with a big punch. 8
froch - v good win vs a v good fighter and fought with a broken hand 9
dawson- ko a guy who jus beat bhop but 3 points docked for fighting weight drained version 7
edwin- best available opponent at 168 who ward hadnt already beat. edwin also came in overweight. 6
overall score:
50
Rigo should be a lot higher on your list then. Dude has amazing skills and he beat Donaire when he was top 3 p4p. Has Ward beat anybody that was on the p4p list?
donaires overrated and ward has the best resume of any fighter in the past 5 years
I'd have to bookmark this for later and read the pages. All I know is that Calderon should be on everyone's list. It's a shame he fought at such a small weightclass. He's simply one of the best pure boxers ever man, hyperbole not withstanding. Him vs Lopez would have been legendary
Trinidad, Jones, ODLH dont belong, they did most of their work in the 90's and by 2004 they all fell off.
Mosley had all his losses this century and only big wins he had were Margarito, shop worn Mayorga, Vargas, Collazo...He did resurrect his career and had the big win over ODLH
Mosley is maybe bottom 20. I agree with this post.
Trinidad, Jones, ODLH dont belong, they did most of their work in the 90's and by 2004 they all fell off.
Mosley had all his losses this century and only big wins he had were Margarito, shop worn Mayorga, Vargas, Collazo...He did resurrect his career and had the big win over ODLH
The title was not on the line against the debuters and i'm certainly not putting any value in those wins. His record in the 21st century is 60-3-2, only a handful were debuters.
Looking past the debuters, quite a few of those defenses were questionable.
Now on to my next beef, how is he ranked higher than Morales? A win over Pacquiao alone sh*ts all over Wonjongkam's resume. Then he also has a win over Maidana (who gave Mayweather his toughest fight to date) well past his prime.
oh ya fk, he lost to hopkins in 2001, yea he shouldnt be there. gotta move everybody up now and add someone in. :notworthy
edit: added wongjongkam and took out tito
What do you think of Calderon or donaire?
oh ya fk, he lost to hopkins in 2001, yea he shouldnt be there. gotta move everybody up now and add someone in. :notworthy
edit: added wongjongkam and took out tito
Even his welter reign is overrated. Oba Carr, Campas, Blocker,
He had a near Prime Pea there, Quartey, Lopez, Forrest, Page, etc. and he didn't fight one of them and Delahoya made him look stupid.
Very overrated fighter but King wanted a latino to fill the void when Chavez went down.
His prime weight was in 1997
oh ya fk, he lost to hopkins in 2001, yea he shouldnt be there. gotta move everybody up now and add someone in. :notworthy
edit: added wongjongkam and took out tito
ive got him 11th but mines a tentative list. can you explain why he shouldnt be there in terms of comparing him to the guys around his weight at the time and his ability ?
He only beat Joppy and a shot Cherifi at middleweight.
Do you agree trinidad shouldn't be in therre?
ive got him 11th but mines a tentative list. can you explain why he shouldnt be there in terms of comparing him to the guys around his weight at the time and his ability ?