So I just rewatched the De La Hoya-Trinidad fight...

It's not revisionist history, I clearly said that Tito demanded a different weight and wanted a 50-50 split. Let's remember that Tito is/was bigger than Oscar. He didn't want to do the fight at the same weight. All of a sudden you can't make the same weight you did for the same fight you just had? Come on, like Oscar was scared to fight Tito... I never said that Oscar was afraid of fighting Trinidad in a rematch, just that he repeatedly turned down every reasonable offer by the Trinidad camp for one - Which he did. Trinidad had some stupid demands at first regarding weight and a 60/40 split in his favor but his camp eventually offered Oscar a variety of very reasonable setups for that fight which Oscar scoffed at and walked away from. That is absolute fact. I wouldn't say Robbery but I have watched that fight many times, and yes some rounds were close but Oscar won. Even in the moment, everyone around me (which happened to be from PR) said Oscar won. He lost because he gassed and ran the last 3 rounds. I couldn't possibly care any less about what some Puerto Rican fight fans that you watched the fight with had to say about the outcome. It has no bearing on the fight itself nor its outcome. It's like me saying I watched Garcia/Herrera with a bunch of Puerto Ricans and they all said that Herrera won. The fact of the matter is that there is a wealth of myths and an abundance of stupidity when it comes to discussing this fight, historically speaking. Oscar didn't sweep the first 8 rounds. Oscar didn't take Tito to school. And Oscar didn't get robbed. Anybody who makes any of those statements clearly hasn't seen the fight and are just repeating what they've heard others say or, even more frightening, they don't know how to score a fight.

This is one of the fights I use as a barometer of how smart posters are. If you think it was a "robbery" then pack it in.

That was clearly a robbery. Oscar took Felix to church. No it wasn't - and no he didn't. Trinidad swept the last three and zero objectively looking fans can honestly say that Oscar swept the first 9. I scored the fight consistenly 7-5 for Oscar - but I can't be mad at a 6-6 score or even a 7-5 Tito score Either way - I just wish it was Oscar who ended Trinidad's career instead of old Roy - can't stand Trinidad

115-113 Fishnet

Nice bit of revisionist history taking place in this post. For the record, it was De La Hoya who turned down the idea of a rematch. Repeatedly. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=2607266 It's not revisionist history, I clearly said that Tito demanded a different weight and wanted a 50-50 split. Let's remember that Tito is/was bigger than Oscar. He didn't want to do the fight at the same weight. All of a sudden you can't make the same weight you did for the same fight you just had? Come on, like Oscar was scared to fight Tito... I wouldn't say Robbery but I have watched that fight many times, and yes some rounds were close but Oscar won. Even in the moment, everyone around me (which happened to be from PR) said Oscar won. He lost because he gassed and ran the last 3 rounds.

The judges still remembers the Quartey fight. :D

That's how I feel. I scored the fight for him 8-4 but I have no problem with the decision because he didn't fight the full 12 rounds. Think about it, he gave away 33% of the fight. So its really an 8 round fight with Tito given a 4-0 handicap. That means in order for Oscar to win he would have to win 7 of the first 8 rounds on all three judges scorecards. In order to do that you have to completely dominate without a shadow of a doubt that nobody in their right mind can score 2 or more rounds to Tito. You just can't expect to win fights like that. You have no idea what the judges are seeing or looking for. You're right! He banked on himself winning atleast 7 of the 8 rds and gave away the last four rds. Idiot!!! Also was some coward ****!!! Mexicans talk about Lara saying all he does is runs but then cry about Oscar not getting the decision after he literally ran and threw no punches.

You just can't expect to win fights like that. You have no idea what the judges are seeing or looking for. the problem is the judges had nothing to score besides Tito walking 4ward and hitting air

this I never give Trinidad round one. He always uses it as a feeler. So Oscar automatically gets round one. They were back in fourth through round 8. Oscar got on his bike in round 9 and really took off(on his bike) 10-12. Last four rounds go to Trinidad. That leaves 2-8. I seriously doubt anyone can hold there head up with a straight face and say that Oscar sweep those rounds. I assure you he did not. The last three rounds were so obscene its the moment I will never forget in Boxing. I couldn't believe what I was seeing and at the same time I was in glee cause I knew he just lost the fight. I couldn't explain it. All I surmised was that he tired out of his jump in, throw a flurry and jump back out three times around. He couldnt do it for 12 rounds so he got on his bike. It was comical that he said he gave trin a boxing lesson. If that was the case he should have taught him some more rounds 9-12. If he was whipping his so bad and skillfully why not keep doing so? It was so easy right. Yea sell that bridge to someone else. Surprising that no one brings up the issue of 10-8 rounds. When someone loses a round so bad judges can give a 10-8 round. I distinctly recall Oscar not throwing a single punch, running the entire round and Trinidad literally running (seriously) after him and dropping power shots on Oscars face a few times in one of those last rounds. easy 10-8 round. I have never forgiven Oscar for that fight. Billed as the modern (at the time) haggler v hearns and leonard vs Duran and haggler vs leonard. Oscar talked the biggest game leading up to the fight and then pitty patted most of the fight and marathoned the last 4 rounds. Im still disgusted. He should be embarrassed. More so than that time he faked that he couldn't get up with Hopkins. Hes a show man and a con. A robbery it was not. The people robbed were the ones who paid for that fight. And Oscar was the robber. Trinidad delivered and did his best to an opponent who wanted no real part of him. Simple as that.

so what does that make Oscar who ran away during the actual fight??? He literally ran trying to preserve his victory. That was a ***** move and I'm glad the judges ****ed him on the decision like the cross dressing *** that he is! That's how I feel. I scored the fight for him 8-4 but I have no problem with the decision because he didn't fight the full 12 rounds. Think about it, he gave away 33% of the fight. So its really an 8 round fight with Tito given a 4-0 handicap. That means in order for Oscar to win he would have to win 7 of the first 8 rounds on all three judges scorecards. In order to do that you have to completely dominate without a shadow of a doubt that nobody in their right mind can score 2 or more rounds to Tito. You just can't expect to win fights like that. You have no idea what the judges are seeing or looking for.

They should change this section to the "Revisionist History Section" The amount of baffling, eye brow raising, outright made up scenario's I've seen over the years are absolutely insane. Couple that with the rabid Mayweather/Pacquiao obsession and you have the main reasons why I mostly stick to the lounge. EDIT : We should at least add a forum where users can discuss boxing in terms of what actually happened. Anybody posting false information would be immediately banned. I think that would lead to much more mature conversations regarding the current state of the sport and its history.

Wow just watched the fight again, Trinidad got his ass whipped. One of the biggest robberies of the 90's. It's too bad Felix jr didn't have the cojones to take Oscar up on the rematch, fukin coward. One of the worst things a fighter can do is runaway from a rematch after getting a clear gift. so what does that make Oscar who ran away during the actual fight??? He literally ran trying to preserve his victory. That was a ***** move and I'm glad the judges ****ed him on the decision like the cross dressing *** that he is!

Nice bit of revisionist history taking place in this post. For the record, it was De La Hoya who turned down the idea of a rematch. Repeatedly. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=2607266 :lol1: :lol1:

Agreed. There are some situations were 7-5 is possible but that's as far it can go. But that's seldom. A lot these "robberies" are 7-5 fights with a whole lot of close rounds in there. Which means that it's only a robbery if "your guy" didn't get the decision. Like I've said before, boxing fans here approach a conversation like a female approaches an argument - They've overly emotional, quick to cry foul, and disregard anything and everything that contradicts their argument. Boxingscene should be sponsored by Tampax.

Nice bit of revisionist history taking place in this post. For the record, it was De La Hoya who turned down the idea of a rematch. Repeatedly. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=2607266 They should change this section to the "Revisionist History Section" The amount of baffling, eye brow raising, outright made up scenario's I've seen over the years are absolutely insane.

There are certain fights where it can end up being a clear 7 to 5 type of victory, but I think they're in the minority historically. Normally when I see guys going "I had it 7 to 5 for (insert fighter here)" in a highly disputed affair, it's followed shortly by the implication that it's impossible for anybody of intelligence to find just one more round to give to the other guy to make it a draw. Boxing fans are f*cking stupid. It's crap like that that makes me hate this place as much as I do these days. Agreed. There are some situations were 7-5 is possible but that's as far it can go. But that's seldom. A lot these "robberies" are 7-5 fights with a whole lot of close rounds in there.

Wow just watched the fight again, Trinidad got his ass whipped. One of the biggest robberies of the 90's. It's too bad Felix jr didn't have the cojones to take Oscar up on the rematch, fukin coward. One of the worst things a fighter can do is runaway from a rematch after getting a clear gift. Nice bit of revisionist history taking place in this post. For the record, it was De La Hoya who turned down the idea of a rematch. Repeatedly. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?id=2607266

Oscar was winning vs Tito , I can't even lie. He was though by his own admission exaughseted after 8-9 rds and literally ran the rest of the fight. He didn't deserve to win IMO.

Wow just watched the fight again, Trinidad got his ass whipped. One of the biggest robberies of the 90's. It's too bad Felix jr didn't have the cojones to take Oscar up on the rematch, fukin coward. One of the worst things a fighter can do is runaway from a rematch after getting a clear gift.if Tito got his ass whipped then we have to have a talk about what "ass whipped" means.

Dlh imo clearly won the fight. You have to be effective with your aggression. Tito was not effective with his aggression like he usually was in this fight. Tito also came in looking emaciated at the weigh in which I thought weakened Tito a bit. Tito couldn't box, Dlh could. Tito was a pressure fighter who could fight inside, Dlh was a boxer who couldn't fight inside. Btoh lacked right hands but both had exceptional lefthooks, good speed and chins. Dlh picked and chose his wars in terms of when to stalk and when to box and move. This choice to box Tito turned people off. The difference when Dlh fought Shane , Ike Quartey, and Tito was power. He felt he could take those guys shots (Shane and Ike) and got exposed a bit as lacking a natural right hand in those fights which is why those fights were hard. Against Tito, he knew he could not stand and trade, so Dlh used his hand speed and boxed Tito. He gave Tito rounds that Tito won on sheer aggression in the latter part of the fight and Tito was not landing nowhere near how he usually did on other fighters which was expected but also surprising. But Dlh clearly won the fight imo.