Had Duran vs Barkley happened today; Had Duran been called "Suspicious"?

As to the thread topic, I don't think you can compare Duran's situation with Marquez's deal. Roberto fought in another era, a virtually unregulated time in sports. And there doesn't seem to be any indication he abused PEDs in general, or steroids in particular. There are several signs, circumstantial evidence, that JMM has systematically used PEDs.

Many of the drugs commonly called PEDs nowadays have been around for a long time. Many people seem to think they're somehow new, since their use has been demonized in the sporting community for a relatively short time. Steroids, for instance, have been around since the 1930s. Yet, it wasn't until the so-called "steroid era" in baseball that these and related drugs became widely recognized among the general public. It often takes one greatly publicized event to make everyone aware (and believe they actually are "in the know") with regards to a particular issue. Steroids became a hot topic in baseball, and therefore in many other sports. (At least, that's the way it worked in the U.S.) But the average fan didn't know that, long before steroids became a scourge, amphetamines (another PED) enjoyed widespread use among the players. Major leaguer ballplayers have been using "uppers" for decades (amphetamines have been around since the late 1800s), yet no one really made a big deal about them and other PEDs until the "steroid era." The same effect has been seen in boxing. There's no doubt that some ATGs used different forms of PEDs for years. Why not? There was no regulation. No one was breaking any rules for a long time. Now that PEDs in sports are regarded with disdain, it's natural for some people to retroactively apply today's standards to the old-timers. But it just doesn't work that way. Did Duran use PEDs? There doesn't seem to be any doubt. The quote from the book "Hands of Stone" appears to support that belief. But I don't hold that against Roberto. To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't breaking any rules. Did Roberto's opponents use PEDs? Probably. It's hard to blame them, too. In my opinion, so little was known about PED use among professional athletes a few decades ago, that systematic and truly effective steroid use in boxing was probably unlikely. Hell, Duran himself says he nearly died from that "horse injection" he received.

New England is spot on, no one is using the Alvaardo fight as a measuring stick to claim JMM is cheating. It's the countless other factors, his KO of Pac, a normally iron chinned warrior who JMM barely dented in 36 previous rounds, now at the age of 39 not only drops Pac but drops him HARD and then stops him. Add to that his physique being beyond anything we've seen throughout his career, all of this at a much higher weight than he's used to. And all this had happened just as a man regarded as one of the biggest cheats in american sports starts to work with him. ^^^That's the issue. Have you thought that Pacquiao just might not be the same anymore since he's not totally into the sport 100% anymore and instead of the ancient style of S&C has switched to a modern style of S&C. There are a lot of factors thaat come into play it's not always about PEDs stop jumping the gun on the nonsense you guys sound like a bunch of Mayweather Snrs.

LOL spot on. People would be calling Leonard a coward and Hearns a bum. IMHO the fights and th e fighters were better appreciated back then....

New England is spot on, no one is using the Alvaardo fight as a measuring stick to claim JMM is cheating. It's the countless other factors, his KO of Pac, a normally iron chinned warrior who JMM barely dented in 36 previous rounds, now at the age of 39 not only drops Pac but drops him HARD and then stops him. Add to that his physique being beyond anything we've seen throughout his career, all of this at a much higher weight than he's used to. And all this had happened just as a man regarded as one of the biggest cheats in american sports starts to work with him. ^^^That's the issue.

on NSB, sure he would in the real world, no he wouldn't Duran was an old, but still viable great fighter Barkley was a hard dude who could be solved by a seasoned fighter no reason to automatically say "Duran is on something" other than the fact that it's "in" to do so just for the sake of it

The reality is when any modern athlete achieves anything legendary or breaks any record it's human nature to assume he had extra help. In part athletes are to blame because we've been fooled so often to actually fully trust anyone. It's not fair for those who are competing in an honest way though. there's so much more goingon with marquez career. there's the overhaul of his physique in his 40's the acne the punching power and the real smoking gun: memo heredia. memo heredia is an admitted steroid guru. he has a background in chemistry. his father was a biochemist. he was himself a user of PEDs, becoming a discus champion after using test and HGH. he was a close associate of shunned sprinting coach, trevor graham. he testified in the balco scandal as a witness. here's his wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ángel_Guillermo_Heredia_Hernández the guy is filthy. that's why marquez is not just another modern athlete, and probably the most blatant user of steroids in the history of the sport who hasn't been caught.

IMHO if we have the 80s fights with the internet today.... a lot of posters will call Duran a BUM after getting KOED by Hitman Hearns a lot of posters will call Sugar Ray Leonard as Exposed and overated ducker a lot of posters will probably line up Hearns with the likes of khan for being glass jaw after being KOED by SRL and Hagler and yes if the fight happened today, Duran would be branded suspicious after the fight with barkley LOL spot on. People would be calling Leonard a coward and Hearns a bum.

IMHO if we have the 80s fights with the internet today.... a lot of posters will call Duran a BUM after getting KOED by Hitman Hearns a lot of posters will call Sugar Ray Leonard as Exposed and overated ducker a lot of posters will probably line up Hearns with the likes of khan for being glass jaw after being KOED by SRL and Hagler and yes if the fight happened today, Duran would be branded suspicious after the fight with barkley

Marquez is just a damn good fighter, but the 80's was a generation of drug use.

I don't see anything suspicious about either fight. The Duran-Barkley fight was close and Duran fought a hell of a fight as he has been known to do. I was sure Marquez would beat Alvarado because guys like Marquez, Bradley, Ruslan and Pacquiao are a full class above guys like Rios and Alvarado and will almost always clearly beat them.

The reality is when any modern athlete achieves anything legendary or breaks any record it's human nature to assume he had extra help. In part athletes are to blame because we've been fooled so often to actually fully trust anyone. It's not fair for those who are competing in an honest way though.

I remember watching that fight thinking Duran looked old and fat. No peds or at least unlikely but thats the problem. Bad or non existent testing means you never really know....

Marquez is "suspicious" for beating Mike Alvarado by decision in his 4th weight class, who has lost to lesser fighters than Marquez like Rios and Provodnikov, and almost lost to Prescott. They were similar height, 2 inches apart, and similar size(4lbs apart). Both traded knock downs. But apparently Marquez is suspicious for his win. So which wins of the past would have been called suspicious today? Would Duran vs Barkley be seen as suspicious? Would Henry Armstrong be accused of using PED's? Duran was kind of Blubbery when he fought Barkley so how would that raise suspicious ? Armstrong still went in light he didn't have a Money team that was all caught cheating so your answer is NO!

There should be no suspicion about JMM beating Alvarado. They're not in the same league. Juan is head and shoulders above Mike. The suspicion would be on JMM's body acne.

by posting pictures of some bloke wif dirty socks.. I would end your snowboarding ass with the quickness son. Make another post in this thread...

Duran didn't come out looking like this. http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/77892/Marquez_Alvarado_weighin_140516_005a-5%20(1).jpg LOL wow, he's soooo brolic :rofl: You guys get easily impressed. He looks like the average guy who does a lot of cardio. Making him out to look like Arnold.

Not really, more butthurt than anything else. Ownages are not really allowed anymore, you'd get banned. If they were allowed, I'd run every one out of this site in embarrassment. I've done it before :) by posting pictures of some bloke wif dirty socks..

The fight could have been in 1350s+, during the black plague. I asked if the fight happened today, would he be accused of using steroids. My thread is not asking "Why didn't Duran get called a drug cheat for his Barkley win in the 1980s" which is what you are basically answering to. Duran didn't come out looking like this. http://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/77892/Marquez_Alvarado_weighin_140516_005a-5%20(1).jpg

Anybody that has any sense understands this. I understand this, but it is pointless arguing on an internet forum full of flamers. All you can do is just post your opinion and leave the flamers to do what they do best. On point. Internet logic: My guy doesn't cheat. Only person in the world. Your guy uses PEDs when he wins but is off them when he loses.