I have NEVER been a fan of Chavez but man you guys dont even know the business. He is the ONLY fighter as of late, to not fall for the extension trick. You guys dont realize how he just duped Arum and Im personally SHOCKED he out of all people DIDNT fall for it.
They use the extension trick to bamboozle big name fighters into never leaving the company. They do this by dangling big fights in front of them, and tricking them into resigning.
Ghost and Bradley BOTH fell for it, and werent smart enough to know the business side of the game. These promoters wait until you get a big fight, they dangle it in front of you, and make you sign the extension or else they wont give you that fight.
6 million for GGG with the extension is WAAAY different from 1 fking million without the extension. They lowballed Chavez because their bitter and made up an excuse about how they would lose money if they built him up then let him leave the company.
He's already built up and the fight itself would have made everyone rich.
Golden boy tricked Ghost that way. Floyd needed Ghost so Ghost didnt have to sign an extension to get a Floyd fight.(I almost wonder if Floyd was in on it. Remember when he tweeted about fighting Alexander? And remember the negotiations took forever? Its a good chance that he and gbp were in cahoots to get him to resign.)
He signed the contract to get the Floyd fight but who else was Floyd going to fight? Thats Ghost's fault for not realizing it.
Bradley did the same thing. Pac needed Bradley more than Bradley needed him. Who is Pac going to fight? Mike Alvarado, Rios, and JMM 6 & 7? Pac is so dry on opponents, that Bradley could have even demanded a high guarantee and STILL not have signed the extension. They would have had no choice but to do what Bradley wanted but Bradley is a moron. He could have fought Pac, then went to GB and fought all the real fighters in the division. Now he will fight bums at TR like Rios and Alvarado trilogies.
I have NEVER been a Chavez supporter but man look at how this kid just shocked Arum. I have a LOAD of respect for this kid. He just tricked the biggest crook in boxing and you guys dont even realize what type of move he just pulled. Arum NEVER saw this coming.
He so bitter he trying to give Chavez FIVE MILLION LESS for fighting GGG WITHOUT the extension. The fight itself was going to make so much money for Arum and Chavez. All the talk about building Chavez up was just a BS excuse because the kid was going to actually lose the fight and his stock was going to plummet. Props to Chavez for both WANTING the fight, knowing his worth, and crapping on Arum's parade. And btw, Chavez is a MUCH more bigger name than GGG. GGG hasnt even fought half the competition Chavez has fought.
he pulled one over on himself so no i'm not impressed with idiocy.
Oh I get it, your one of these Chavez Haters. Im not going out of my way to hate on this fighter, or that fighter. Chavez is a smart business man. Out of all the fighters to figure out the extension scam, he was the one who did.
No its brilliant that he didnt fall for the same o'l same o'l extension trick. Promoters pull this stunt to keep you resigning forever, and ever. He didnt want to resign and he didnt fall for it the way he was supposed to.
Your not impressed that the fighter pulled one over the suit? Im very impressed. Arum is scrambling it seems.
he pulled one over on himself so no i'm not impressed with idiocy.
Gamboa got screwed out of that big JuanMa fight twice. Then he pretty much got traded for Jessie Vargas (future Pac opponent). Just another example of Arum letting a big fight stagnate.
It's not the end of the world. Time will tell if it's brilliant or plain stupidity. This is another Gamboa disaster waiting to happen, imho. Let's see.
Gamboa didnt dupe the extension plot. He just pulled out of a fight and was bought out of his contract. But time will tell.
It's not the end of the world. Time will tell if it's brilliant or plain stupidity. This is another Gamboa disaster waiting to happen, imho. Let's see.
You dont understand ts
Either way Chavez must stay until oct 2015
Arum is asking for two fights in THAt period, nothing wrong with that, Chavez can leave if he wants but of he earns 17m before he does go, it benefits him
Irs clear Chavez is probably being given like 10m by haymon and the rat Richard to sit on his ass until next year and do nothing
You seem confused ts, nobody is being duped bar you lol
Arum is asking for an extension. He will stay and fight bums and now leave the company after the contract expires.
Bradley and Ghost fell for it, why didnt Chavez?
We dont even have any facts that Haymon or Richard is involved yet. I never said it was a good idea for Chavez btw.
How do you think the promoters keep fighters resigning forever and forever? The extension trick. Arum thought Chavez was going to do what Bradley's dumbazz did. Chavez just shocked him and me both. I been waiting on a fighter to figure this out.
so you think he's better off with arum and would make more money yet you think its brilliant that he didn't take the deal? bi-polar much?
No its brilliant that he didnt fall for the same o'l same o'l extension trick. Promoters pull this stunt to keep you resigning forever, and ever. He didnt want to resign and he didnt fall for it the way he was supposed to.
Your not impressed that the fighter pulled one over the suit? Im very impressed. Arum is scrambling it seems.
You dont understand ts
Either way Chavez must stay until oct 2015
Arum is asking for two fights in THAt period, nothing wrong with that, Chavez can leave if he wants but of he earns 17m before he does go, it benefits him
Irs clear Chavez is probably being given like 10m by haymon and the rat Richard to sit on his ass until next year and do nothing
You seem confused ts, nobody is being duped bar you lol
Yea with the extension. Which is what he didnt want; To resign. See to you he is supposed to resign. Like Ghost and Bradley, because the promoter offers you such a crappy deal without it. The fighter came and tricked the suit.
And btw, I dont think he will be rewarded for doing this. I think he's better off WITH Arum. Its just the fact that he didnt fall for the oldest promoter scam in the history of the game. The extension trick. He was SUPPOSED to resign, and now Arum looks lost and confused.
so you think he's better off with arum and would make more money yet you think its brilliant that he didn't take the deal? bi-polar much?
what extension? for christ sake do your research! chavez has a contract until 2015 october, understand?
the contract was that he guarantees one more fight after ggg, THERE WAS NO EXTENSION.. he refused to sign a contract worth a minimum of 12m and a maximum of 17m for 2 freaking fights!
now, all that will happen is that chavez will not fight until his contact expires which is 15 months away
An extension is an extension. One more fight, two more fights whatever. He didnt fall for it like Bradley and Ghost did.
Why cant he sign for a fight and thats it? Why "Okay we will give you the fight, but sign this extension first."? He's the only one who basically tricked the suit.
I dont believe Chavez will sit on the shelf tbh. If he wants to leave the company thats his choice. Arum has no reason to be mad about a fighter moving in a new direction.
Why is he complaining still about trying to make Chavez stay? How come when Chavez turned it down he didnt say, "Okay." How come he couldnt let Chavez do what he wanted and that be it?
He seems hellbent on making Chavez do something that he already said no to.
And as I pointed out, this may work AGAINST Chavez. Thats not my point.
The point is, he was supposed to fall for it, and for once, the fighter duped the suit. Bradley, Ghost, all fell for it. I bet Marcos signed one to get Floyd just like Ghost did. I bet Khan will fall for it too.
this whole thread is stupid, ts does not know what is going on and is guessing, chavez was not offered an extension on his contract, he was offered a contract which promised he had to fight one more time before his contract expires
Yea an extension. Whether one fight or two fights. Arum automatically assumed Chavez was going to sign it the way all fighters do.
The fighter duped the suit.
OK so how long is the extension then?
I dont know but an extension is an extension. I thought one of the deals was for 1 more fight or 2 more fights.
He didnt want anything having to do with the word extension. Its just so crazy how the fighter duped the suit.
you are so so wrong
tr pays way better than gbp. your maths are messed up too
7m to fight gg with 1 more fight before his contract goes was the offer to chavez, if he won against ggg, that 1 fight would have been 10m, if he lost 5m
chavez would never make more money with anyone else
look at chino, he made fcking 1.5m vs floyd, that is daylight robbery, richard and haymon are scumbags, they need to be jailed and hopefully will be after mainevents and golden boy sue their asses for their double handed deals, chavez has been tricked by haymon and co, he will suffer in the future
Who cares what TR pays? They have 5 bums for Bradley to fight. Golden boy has the real fighters and plenty of them. Bradley is wasting his prime on 6 fights with Rios and Alvarado? I dont see how anyone can debate that at all. They have no one for the #2 ww to face. NUMBER 2 WW will never actually face the best ww's.
Im not wrong on anything here bro.
As far as Chino is concerned I thought he was being sued so they listed his paycheck as lower than he was actually getting paid. I thought he was getting 3 mill. If they should be jailed, they should be jailed for fraud since they are helping him mask his actual paycheck.
Not only that but should Chino be paid more than Bradley?
Bradley is, well Bradley a very important fighter. Chino is a good fighter and earned his shot but he just got here. While Bradley has been important for years.
Bradley would get paid more to face Floyd than Chino did.
As far as Chavez, he would probably do better with Arum. But that wasnt my point. Arum wanted him to resign just like he wanted Braldley to resign. So he used the extension trick, and Chavez just shocked the hell out of him by not signing it.
He's probably the first fighter I can think of off the bat that didnt fall for it. Something has to be said about him outsmarting Arum. The fighter duped the suit, and you dont think thats impressive? like I said before, it may not pay off.
But thats not my point. Its the fact that he didnt take the extension the way he was supposed to. The way all fighters do.
Not everyone is like pacquiao..chavez is not gonna wear arums skirts like a lil b1tch..pac is staying with arum because he owns him for all those weight drained damaged goods he fought at catch weight.
this whole thread is stupid, ts does not know what is going on and is guessing, chavez was not offered an extension on his contract, he was offered a contract which promised he had to fight one more time before his contract expires
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$17 million for two fights is a trap. $1.5 million to fight Mayweather is hitting the jackpot.
Sickening...
Maidana better get a fair trade if the rematch happens, Mayweather is scum.
Yea with the extension. Which is what he didnt want; To resign. See to you he is supposed to resign. Like Ghost and Bradley, because the promoter offers you such a crappy deal without it. The fighter came and tricked the suit.
And btw, I dont think he will be rewarded for doing this. I think he's better off WITH Arum. Its just the fact that he didnt fall for the oldest promoter scam in the history of the game. The extension trick. He was SUPPOSED to resign, and now Arum looks lost and confused.
what extension? for christ sake do your research! chavez has a contract until 2015 october, understand?
the contract was that he guarantees one more fight after ggg, THERE WAS NO EXTENSION.. he refused to sign a contract worth a minimum of 12m and a maximum of 17m for 2 freaking fights!
now, all that will happen is that chavez will not fight until his contact expires which is 15 months away
you are so so wrong
tr pays way better than gbp. your maths are messed up too
7m to fight gg with 1 more fight before his contract goes was the offer to chavez, if he won against ggg, that 1 fight would have been 10m, if he lost 5m
chavez would never make more money with anyone else
look at chino, he made fcking 1.5m vs floyd, that is daylight robbery, richard and haymon are scumbags, they need to be jailed and hopefully will be after mainevents and golden boy sue their asses for their double handed deals, chavez has been tricked by haymon and co, he will suffer in the future
17 million for 2 fights?
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$17 million for two fights is a trap. $1.5 million to fight Mayweather is hitting the jackpot.
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