I'm tired of the "Marquez was taking a beating"...

You're embarrassing yourself. I know, you must have got all sensitive as soon as I said the word "Floyd" in a negative way.

I guess that is your problem .... reading. Manny did the same at the lower weights. Used speed, angles and which in turn generated power. Often, the bigger they are the slower they are so Manny was able to take that advantage. As for being suspect, I already told you that anyone and everyone can be suspected. Even the less obvious ones who we later have been caught. Fight #1, #2, #3 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 0 times Fight ........... #4 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 2 times Heredia is a known cheater who admitted to cheating many many times and with many Olympic athletes where we only found out years later. He had admitted that he knows of 20 ways to mask from being detected. He is now Marquez's "conditioning coach". So the suspect ratio increased obviously. Anyone looking at this objectively would come to that conclusion. I like Marquez but hate that he picked Heredia. Always makes me question fight #4. It's too bad because that was my favorite fight between them. Again, Manny may have too but what I saw of him before and now is the same Manny. Even against Bradley, he still has the speed and power just losing a step which goes against what Floyd said. Floyd has indicated its due to being off the PEDs. I think people like Floyd have influenced you about Manny but after all these roadblocks, I would think you would be smarter than that! but I better stop because you don't read past the first line. :rofl: . You're embarrassing yourself.

Pacman is the same Pacman huh. yet he couldn't put Bradley down in 2 fights, even though lesser fighters have on multiple occasions?? But again, Pacman put Marquez down in 2 fights. However both fights at welterweight he couldn't do it. But that's the same guy as the one who blasted through welterweight and put Marques down at lightweight and below?? I don't buy it. Bradley was not looking to good in some of those rounds so Manny's punches did affect him. Manny's punches did hurt Marquez and so on. Manny is not a big puncher at WW. Again, it's his speed. Even when he was younger at WW (Oscar/Cotto) there was no KO. That is why he has not KOed anyone at WW. Plus the fact that most respect him once they feel that his punches are harder than expected. So they fight more defensively. With age and being at WW, it will get harder for Manny to KO his opponents. Can it happen? Yes but the probability is lower when you take everything into account. BTW: Manny vs Marquez ... there was one knock down. You said that Manny couldn't knock Marquez down at WW. Marquez also looked very shaken up and heavy on his legs .....

I guess that is your problem .... reading. Manny did the same at the lower weights. Used speed, angles and which in turn generated power. Often, the bigger they are the slower they are so Manny was able to take that advantage. As for being suspect, I already told you that anyone and everyone can be suspected. Even the less obvious ones who we later have been caught. Fight #1, #2, #3 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 0 times Fight ........... #4 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 2 times Heredia is a known cheater who admitted to cheating many many times and with many Olympic athletes where we only found out years later. He had admitted that he knows of 20 ways to mask from being detected. He is now Marquez's "conditioning coach". So the suspect ratio increased obviously. Anyone looking at this objectively would come to that conclusion. I like Marquez but hate that he picked Heredia. Always makes me question fight #4. It's too bad because that was my favorite fight between them. Again, Manny may have too but what I saw of him before and now is the same Manny. Even against Bradley, he still has the speed and power just losing a step which goes against what Floyd said. Floyd has indicated its due to being off the PEDs. I think people like Floyd have influenced you about Manny but after all these roadblocks, I would think you would be smarter than that! but I better stop because you don't read past the first line. :rofl: . Pacman is the same Pacman huh. yet he couldn't put Bradley down in 2 fights, even though lesser fighters have on multiple occasions?? But again, Pacman put Marquez down in 2 fights. However both fights at welterweight he couldn't do it. But that's the same guy as the one who blasted through welterweight and put Marques down at lightweight and below?? I don't buy it.

Stopped reading from the 1st line. So Pacman goes to 147, blows through bigger guys. Marquez comes to 147 knocked out this same guy, but only Marquez in your eyes can be suspected of peds. I guess that is your problem .... reading. Manny did the same at the lower weights. Used speed, angles and which in turn generated power. Often, the bigger they are the slower they are so Manny was able to take that advantage. As for being suspect, I already told you that anyone and everyone can be suspected. Even the less obvious ones who we later have been caught. Fight #1, #2, #3 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 0 times Fight ........... #4 - Marquez knocked down Manny = 2 times Heredia is a known cheater who admitted to cheating many many times and with many Olympic athletes where we only found out years later. He had admitted that he knows of 20 ways to mask from being detected. He is now Marquez's "conditioning coach". So the suspect ratio increased obviously. Anyone looking at this objectively would come to that conclusion. I like Marquez but hate that he picked Heredia. Always makes me question fight #4. It's too bad because that was my favorite fight between them. Again, Manny may have too but what I saw of him before and now is the same Manny. Even against Bradley, he still has the speed and power just losing a step which goes against what Floyd said. Floyd has indicated its due to being off the PEDs. I think people like Floyd have influenced you about Manny but after all these roadblocks, I would think you would be smarter than that! but I better stop because you don't read past the first line. :rofl: .

His nose was broken you ****ing idiot :pat: the bridge of his nose was obviously broken. NO you dumb fock don't get all BUTHURT WITH ME THAT IS THE ANSWER JMM GAVE YOU IDIOT YOU GOT A PROBLEM TAKE IT WITH JMM NOT ME PUT IT ON VIDEO SO I CAN SEE JMM PUSH YOUR CRAP IN :twak:

Then what is the thread about sonny? If you go out and break someone's nose, what is that? Juan was taking a beating. If you read the op, you'd know kid.:?!:

I'm the ts kid. Now please find where in any post I've ever posted where I said Marquez wasn't getting his share of blows. Thanks in advance for you're no answer. I suggest you go and re read what I said and stop imagining things. Then what is the thread about sonny? If you go out and break someone's nose, what is that? Juan was taking a beating.

Manny has natural abilities that can take him to the WW and do what he does. Manny has power but it's really his speed that does the trick. You look at the Oscar fight, Cotto fight, Hatton fight, even the Bradley fight ..... Manny's punches come from all angles and come quicker than the opponents. Power generated by speed in Manny's case .... but that is Manny. He did that even at the lower weights. Cotto said "he was too fast" ... he didn't say he was too powerful ..... Like I said in the previous post, Manny has yet to KO anyone like Marquez did ..... he beat Oscar with 1000 punches .... and beat Cotto with lightning speedy hands .... then Floyd said it must be the PEDs . Stopped reading from the 1st line. So Pacman goes to 147, blows through bigger guys. Marquez comes to 147 knocked out this same guy, but only Marquez in your eyes can be suspected of peds.

For the record TS I posted a picture of Juan's nose after ktfo6 to a REGISTERED nurse and she said that s*it was broken. Errrrrr he didn't take a beating doe I'm the ts kid. Now please find where in any post I've ever posted where I said Marquez wasn't getting his share of blows. Thanks in advance for you're no answer. I suggest you go and re read what I said and stop imagining things.

FACT on espn they ask JMM did Pac break your nose he SAID NO IT WAS JUST A NOSE BLEED THAT NACHO DIDNT GET TO IN TIME TO STOP WHICH MIGHT HAVE LEAD TO PAC THINKING HE HAD JMM IN BIG TROUBLE His nose was broken you ****ing idiot :pat: the bridge of his nose was obviously broken.

most of the pilipinos think that...even after Marquez knocked him down earlier on the fight. He was worst on the firs fight and we know what happened there.

For the record TS I posted a picture of Juan's nose after ktfo6 to a REGISTERED nurse and she said that s*it was broken. Errrrrr he didn't take a beating doe FACT on espn they ask JMM did Pac break your nose he SAID NO IT WAS JUST A NOSE BLEED THAT NACHO DIDNT GET TO IN TIME TO STOP WHICH MIGHT HAVE LEAD TO PAC THINKING HE HAD JMM IN BIG TROUBLE

For the record TS I posted a picture of Juan's nose after ktfo6 to a REGISTERED nurse and she said that s*it was broken. Errrrrr he didn't take a beating doe

I guess this had nothing to do with the fight being at welterweight and Marquez adjusting to the weight?? I do have a question though. Surely this same logic applies to Pacman storming through solid welterweights with devastating results? until Floyd claimed peds. I mean the exact same thing applies, correct? Manny has natural abilities that can take him to the WW and do what he does. Manny has power but it's really his speed that does the trick. You look at the Oscar fight, Cotto fight, Hatton fight, even the Bradley fight ..... Manny's punches come from all angles and come quicker than the opponents. Power generated by speed in Manny's case .... but that is Manny. He did that even at the lower weights. Cotto said "he was too fast" ... he didn't say he was too powerful ..... Like I said in the previous post, Manny has yet to KO anyone like Marquez did ..... he beat Oscar with 1000 punches .... and beat Cotto with lightning speedy hands .... then Floyd said it must be the PEDs .

Heredia was already working with Marquez in preparation for fight #3 but more importantly is that Fight #3 and fight #4 were different. I guess this had nothing to do with the fight being at welterweight and Marquez adjusting to the weight?? I do have a question though. Surely this same logic applies to Pacman storming through solid welterweights with devastating results? until Floyd claimed peds. I mean the exact same thing applies, correct?

Marquez was BATTERED! This is not up for debate! Pac was knocked COLD! This is not up for debate! Anything about PED's, Lucky punches, alternate endings is pure speculation/rumor and should not be brought up unless they are an ultimate fact.

All the credit for the win goes to Juan! However how it happened had more to do with Manny making mistakes and Juan capitalizing more than Juan setting anything up! Watch it and you'll see Juan shook up pretty good going to his corner then Manny in the nezt round going to a "double feint" then falling inside. When Juan reacted their right shoulders were almost touching and Juan was actually late with the punch but it wound up being "extra short" hahaha!!! Juan deserves the win no doubt about that but to be honest if Manny doesn't faultier with amateurish aggression he would have stopped Juan. That's boxing and that night the best man won. Their match ups were terrific. So much better than Mayweather or Ward or anyone since a primed Mosely. Ray.

I see what you're trying to do, but it won't work. Let me tell you why. Because there was in fact a 3rd fight. And guess what? Pacman was not able to hurt Marquez in that fight. And he did hurt him in the 4th. So trying to imply that Marquez was juiced for the 4th, will not work. Heredia was already working with Marquez in preparation for fight #3 but more importantly is that Fight #3 and fight #4 were different.

Seriously, there are some fights you can't talk about around here and this is one of them. No one wants to actually discuss it, either Pac was dominating and Marquez got lucky or Pac is sh*t and Marquez was never in trouble. No in between.Exactly! Both sides want to discredit the other by belittling the efforts by both fighters or outcome of the fight or other insinuations - and agendas aimed at protecting one side don't allow for the entire picture to be looked at.