The WBC belt MUST be kept away from the Klitschkos

In what respect? In other divisions today, fights get made because the money is there as an incentive. In the HW division, there is no incentive. In fact, there's a disincentive to take risks because none of the guys want to lose a potential mandatory spot to Klitschko, the lottery ticket. Amir Khan can make $1.5m fighting Collazo, Kubrat Pulev can't make that against Chisora, so why risk his mandatory spot? in the meantime he has to wait around fighting nobodies. You are claiming that there's fewer fights among contenders at HW today compared to previous eras, which to my knowledge is a myth.

Are you kidding me? Listen. You can have your opinion. I think its retarded, but to each his own. Retarded? That was kind of uncalled for... Oh and you let my have my opinion? Gee, thanks, now I will be able to sleep at night.

The one champ per weight class only works if there was one belt and that champ fights the next best consistently instead of taking his pick from the weakest of 5 mandatories and weak voluntaries in between while the rest of the division waits around fighting for peanuts against overmatched opponents. This actually makes sense. With all these belts, each with their own mandatories, the champion can pick the fights that are lowest risk with highest reward. People have to wait on him to eventually choose them and the wait can be long. Look at Pulev or also look at how long Vitali kept putting off the Stiverne fight.

You claim that too huh? If you took the time to actually check it out, I'm confident that you'd find little difference between various decades. You are putting forth a myth! In what respect? In other divisions today, fights get made because the money is there as an incentive. In the HW division, there is no incentive. In fact, there's a disincentive to take risks because none of the guys want to lose a potential mandatory spot to Klitschko, the lottery ticket. Amir Khan can make $1.5m fighting Collazo, Kubrat Pulev can't make that against Chisora, so why risk his mandatory spot? in the meantime he has to wait around fighting nobodies.

What's better for the ordinary fan? A unified champ on the other side of the world whose fights are always at 4 AM, or a paper champ whose fights they can actually attend or watch live on TV? Are you kidding me? Listen. You can have your opinion. I think its retarded, but to each his own.

Precisely. Ordinary fans. I mean what is more recognizable: 8 champions or 17x4 Champions? What's better for the ordinary fan? A unified champ on the other side of the world whose fights are always at 4 AM, or a paper champ whose fights they can actually attend or watch live on TV?

No, the fans lose when the top heavyweights won't fight each other and they won't fight each other when there's no money to be made. You claim that too huh? If you took the time to actually check it out, I'm confident that you'd find little difference between various decades. You are putting forth a myth!

Please elaborate. What exactly do the fans lose? I mean, ordinary fans, not obsessed purist hardcore fans? Precisely. Ordinary fans. I mean what is more recognizable: 8 champions or 17x4 Champions?

I understand you guys want a black american champion for personal self esteem reasons but doesn't knowing there's another guy out there who is the actual champion you're begging to protect him from kind of defeat the whole point? It's like being the big badass tough guy in a senior bingo hall. You understand nothing. An African American champion who fights tomato cans to protect his suspect chin is just as bad as a Ukranian champion doing the same to protect his proven glass jaw. Besides, who says Wilder defeats Haitian born Stiverne? I don't care who has the belts, as long as he beats the best out there to get them, and ducks no one. Additionally, he must not grab, hold and wrestle his way out of getting hit.

Yep. The more titleholders you have, the more money there is to be made. That's standard alphabet logic. The socalled governing bodies get rich. The fans lose because of a multitude of Champions. 17 divisions with and more than 4 Champions per division is the potential. No, the fans lose when the top heavyweights won't fight each other and they won't fight each other when there's no money to be made. There's no money to be made because Wlad holds all the titles and he's picking guys like Mormeck, Pianeta, Wachand Leapai to defend against. If Wlad fought the best consistently I wouldn't have so much of an issue with him holding all the belts but he doesn't, he fights twice a year and one of those bouts is usually against a rank outsider. How is that good for the division? Yes, they can, but belts are powerful marketing tools, and it's not always healthy if one guy has them all. See Weebler's post or my previous posts in this thread. They don't get that, they think fighters are going to take risks against each other for peanuts. Bermains best win before Arreola was Austin and he barely won and looked like sh1t, nobody at all considered him a good fighter or top HW. Thompson just fought pulev without a belt, so its possible. Its the fighters faults that they're not fighting 1 another, the fights could be made. That was for a mandatory spot - to get at the money (Klitschko). Wlad still hasn't fought him so Pulev is back to the position of most top HWs - fighting nobodies so as not to sacrifice a rankings spot. If Stiverne isn't good enough then someone will take it off him, be it a Pulev, Fury, Jennings whoever but at least we'll get to see some fights.

Remember that ol good time when the WBA belts (super or regular) weren't "unified" ? Haye defending his belt against the likes of Harrisson or Povetkin facing a geriatric Rahman brought so much excitment in the division...:trink26:

Yea, its not healthy for those who fight nobodies in the hope of being called up for a vacant title shot. You know whats a better marketing tool? Beating the champ, taking all his belts and being the undisputed champ. Nope apparently being a fake champ is better Ok, agree to disagree. Looks like I can't get my point across. Maybe because I'm not a native English speaker.

Yep. The more titleholders you have, the more money there is to be made. That's standard alphabet logic. The socalled governing bodies get rich. The fans lose because of a multitude of Champions. 17 divisions with and more than 4 Champions per division is the potential. Seriously weebler bro. You cannot be serious? Please elaborate. What exactly do the fans lose? I mean, ordinary fans, not obsessed purist hardcore fans?

The Klits are not responsible for the sanctioning bodies being d*cks. They are not responsible for the dearth of HW talent.

Yes, they can, but belts are powerful marketing tools, and it's not always healthy if one guy has them all. See Weebler's post or my previous posts in this thread. Yea, its not healthy for those who fight nobodies in the hope of being called up for a vacant title shot. You know whats a better marketing tool? Beating the champ, taking all his belts and being the undisputed champ. Nope apparently being a fake champ is better

People should read this post and actually take note if they want to see good heavyweight fights. Only trouble is that the poster making the claim is speaking without knowing what he is talking about.

The fights actually get made. They're all lining up to fight Stiverne now. The belt and title changes everything, and brings money in. You think the likes of Thompson, Haye and Fury etc would want to fight Bermane before? No, they were sitting on their hands hoping for Wlad to look beyond Pianeta and Leapai and towards their direction. Bermains best win before Arreola was Austin and he barely won and looked like sh1t, nobody at all considered him a good fighter or top HW. Thompson just fought pulev without a belt, so its possible. Its the fighters faults that they're not fighting 1 another, the fights could be made.

that's not the argument, the argument is there is no money in the HW division because the titles are all in the hands of one guy who defends against the likes of Pianeta and Leapai while others are scared to fight each other for fear of missing out on a mandatory shot (see Pulev right now). Let Stiverne keep the belt, and we see good heavyweight title fights. Take it off him and the division dies again. I'm a boxing fans, I want the best HW contenders to fight the best. That's not going to happen if Wlad takes the belt and the money out of the game and into his backyard to fight the Leapais of the world. Yep. The more titleholders you have, the more money there is to be made. That's standard alphabet logic. The socalled governing bodies get rich. The fans lose because of a multitude of Champions. 17 divisions with and more than 4 Champions per division is the potential. Seriously weebler bro. You cannot be serious?

You do know fighters can still fight without paper belts, right? Yes, they can, but belts are powerful marketing tools, and it's not always healthy if one guy has them all. See Weebler's post or my previous posts in this thread.

The problem is that some guys here are religiously obsessed with unification and one champ per weight class, and they can't understand that it's not always the best thing for fans, fighters and boxing in general. The one champ per weight class only works if there was one belt and that champ fights the next best consistently instead of taking his pick from the weakest of 5 mandatories and weak voluntaries in between while the rest of the division waits around fighting for peanuts against overmatched opponents.