Height - Hearns is a mere 2 inches taller than SRR.
Speed - At least equal at 147
Power - SRR at 147 is regarded as one of the most powerful punchers and he had power in both hands.
The only real advantage I give Hearns is height and SRR was long himself.No one hit harder than Hearns at 147, no one. He has the edge there. I'm not saying he would win, but that kind of power can render anyone at 147 senseless.
i have a question: what fight do most feel sugar ray leonard showed the most slippage before norris?
The fights after hearns,,, I believe it was bruce finch, and then Ray sat out for awhile a cameback vs Kevin Howard.. Howard fight showed that the glory days were gone for Leonard
again, i think hearns shaky chin, and stamina would fail him against robinson...nobody even knew hearns could box, until srl creamed him in the early rounds of their first fight...lolAt 147 Hearns had only one loss, it was only at higher weights that Hearns chin was affected. The fight being discussed is with Hearns at 147. And Robinson had his best fights at 160.
It's a pretty even fight, with the biggest gap between them in the chin department. Hearns' wasn't the worst but it was nowhere near SRR's
SRR= ATG chin:boxing:
Good question. Id have to think about it. What's your answer?:boxing:
between lalonde and hearns 2..i would have to revisit both...i want to say lalonde because he wasn't nowhere near ray's skill level and scored a legit knockdown on ray really fighting one-armed (permanent shoulder problem i think), but he was a much bigger dude...
Hearns Height, reach, speed, and power would have spelled fits for SRR at 147.
Height - Hearns is a mere 2 inches taller than SRR.
Speed - At least equal at 147
Power - SRR at 147 is regarded as one of the most powerful punchers and he had power in both hands.
The only real advantage I give Hearns is height and SRR was long himself.
i have a question: what fight do most feel sugar ray leonard showed the most slippage before norris?
Good question. Id have to think about it. What's your answer?:boxing:
Between Hagler and Leonard. Leonard in his prime could match Robinsons Speed and a prime Hagler could match in power. Either would have been great fights
Hearns Height, reach, speed, and power would have spelled fits for SRR at 147.
again, i think hearns shaky chin, and stamina would fail him against robinson...nobody even knew hearns could box, until srl creamed him in the early rounds of their first fight...lol
I didn't know that^^^^:boxing:
well, i know he says it on an hbo telecast...i would have to dig up the tape to call exactly which one, but i know he has online interview where he rates marv, here's a clip i just found:
STEWARD: I believe that “Marvelous” Marvin Hagler is the best middleweight ever. I know we all look at Ray Robinson. I think Ray Robinson was pound-for-pound the greatest fighter period when covering all divisions, but when you just focus entirely on the middleweight division I would have to say that “Marvelous” Marvin Hagler was the best. I thought that Ray Robinson’s greatest days, which we didn’t have film for, was when he was welterweight. We saw him fight for the middleweight title for the first time when I think he was about 30 or 31 years old then when he fought LaMotta. Even though he had some great wins and was winning fights and losing fights and regaining titles, I think that Marvin Hagler’s consistency as a middleweight champion and as a middleweight coming up where he was fighting all of those tough fights in Philadelphia, and on the road, and Ray Seales and all of those type of Olympic fighters, and winning, winning, winning, winning without any fanfare. Then as a professional champion I thought he was a consistent performer in every way.
The loss to Ray Leonard, which was still controversial, was the only loss during his reign that he experienced. He was just consistent. A lot of times we talk about Carlos Monzon. I think that Marvin’s great chin, his work ethic, and consistent style of fighting would have been a problem for Monzon because I don’t think Monzon fought that many great fighters that were in their prime. I mean I was very impressed with the Nino Benvenuti fight and maybe one or two others, but Hagler fought so many good fighters, young fighters, old fighters. In Philadelphia I saw him put on one of the best boxing clinics ever when I saw him beat Bennie Briscoe. I went over there just personally to see that. It was phenomenal and even though Bennie had slipped a little bit it was still a great display of boxing skills.
I watched Marvin since 1973. That was the first time I saw him in the National Golden Gloves. He lost in the tournament and he came back a few months later in the National AAU and he fought at 165 even though he was really nothing more than a 156 pounder, and he was a small one at that. He won the National AAU Championship and that was the same year that Ray Leonard was in the tournament and Aaron Pryor and all of those fighters. I saw him turn professional without any great fanfare and I followed him very closely and he just amazed me how he was continually winning fights, and especially fighting some of the guys in their home towns. I just think his consistency in his performances in the middleweight division was the same as Ray Robinson was in the welterweight division. That makes Hagler, in my mind. the greatest middleweight champion.
The question was who would pose the biggest problems for SRR. Hearns might present some issues but SRR was 5'-11" so the height advantage wouldn't be all that big.
i'd say srl @ 147 and hagler @ 160...both those guys could box and brawl and win...plus both had excellent chins and great stamina...
hearns would have height and reach, but was only a threat when guys couldn't take the vaunted right hand, and robinson by all accounts had a granite chin...plus he could snatch a body, and that was always a hearns weakness...
interesting tidbit manny steward always felt hagler could beat robinson @ 160