Canelo Alvarez was given a stylistically marketable fight, for his comeback after his Mayweather defeat! Alvarez was given a fight which should see him offensively go to town and produce a stoppage! which he did, and it got all the fans and media buzzzing! at his great display of offensive ability...
Floyd Mayweather up against Maidana, was made because it was a marketable fight and lets face it! Maidana is a pressure fighter who comes forward! there is no great scientific theory which explains his fighting style! You would think this fight is set up for a Mayweather stoppage or..? dominant performance.
But the fact of the matter he failed, and showed his one dimensional limited offense.
I am not sure why people don't own up to the fact that compared to other past great fighters of his style! his offense is not good enough, and its why guys like Hearns, Leonard, Duran would all beat him in my opinion.
Floyd Mayweather always needs to reset after throwing a punch, or 1-2 punches! and he only seems to throw combinations when a opponent becomes incredible static...
I think Mayweather is one dimensional offensively, if he wasn't he would of beaten Maidana up...
"Even Amir Khan dropped Maidana and had him hurt more times than Mayweather did! because Amir Khan understands that he is not a big puncher, gets creative offensively! puts punches together to the head and body"...................Mayweather seems to not be able to do anything outside of the lead right hand, the lead left hook, the stab/jab to the body, and he will reset after every single one of these gems! oh and the uppercut, where he invites the opponent to come in hidden by his shoulder! These are all great shots but offense is not just about single shots! Mike Tyson was a big puncher, and he still committed to combinations! which makes a offensive more destructive! No way! No way is Mayweather offense at a all-time great level of ability"....
He has counter hooks, lead hooks, counter right, lead rights, I mean he can throw any ****ing punch in the book with perfect form and great accuracy. Not even just those 4.
All he needs to beat all of these fighters is a counter right, lead right, and uppercut once in a blue moon.
He doesn't even neeed to throw combinations to win. That's what he refers to when bringing out his "A game". You all saw what mayweather did offensively earlier in his career, but where did all those punches go?
Guess he's saving them for when he needs them.
Perhaps for a superfight/megafight where he knows he's going to need it...like a....hmmmmmmm....
manny pacquiao? ;)
if floyd ever fights manny pacquiao its going to be the best fight of his career not just because he'd win, but because you'd see him bring out all his weapons just to make pacquiao look bad and ordinary.
I mean come on now, I haven't seen mayweather throw a lead left hook in 6 years. You all think he just forgot about it?
He's got everybody fooled.
I think the TS had made some great points, I don't agree with all of what he is saying and I certainly don't believe that Mayweather's offense is "one dimensional" but it is most definitely limited.
I've said this countless times over the years and it's one of the reasons why I would never rank him above Pacquiao or Hopkins, both these names are close to being complete fighters, not quite on the level of Leonard, Ali, Pep or Robinson but Mayweather is far from what I call a complete or all round fighter.
His defense is very very good but when ever he has gone up against some who has thrown everything but the kitchen sink his way, Mayweather has looked less than stellar, in fact against Maidana and Castillo, he looked far less than an elite fighter (not saying he is). WHy? it's because, against guys who punch, punch, punch and don't let up, there is little Mayweather can do when his defense starts getting penetrated. His straight right hand and check left hook is all he has had.
Some one said that Mayweather from 7-8 years ago was better offensively, the answer is, he wasn't because it's the same thing he did then.
Mayweather basically ceased combination punching when he came up to 147. He became extremely defensive to not put himself at risk of getting hit by naturally larger guys. People have to remember, he's probably the only active fighter who fights within 5lbs of of his walk around weight. That being said, Floyd throws whatever punch is needed for a particular fight. Manny throws the same shots every fight and that tends to work because he is so offensive but with Floyd being a counter puncher, you can see the same variety of shots but in a more sparse number.
All these fighters like Lara, Rigo, Mayweather are one dimensional to me. They can't fight without running, clinching, hugging, distance... Fans of them clearly don't know how difficult it is to move forward and throw punches at the same time, which these runners can't do. You can recall Trout who was forced to chase Lara. Trout who has the same style was so clumsy doing something he's not used to doing. Of course, the poor guy lost. Rigo against Agbeko was one of the most embarrassing fights in boxing history. People were exiting the doors left and right, those who stayed were booing. Rigo was finally moving the forward, except he still had to wait for Agbeko's punches before throwing his. Lol. What a effing style.
Try not to be so close minded.
The frustrating thing about Mayweather. When he lets his hands go and uses combinations, he looks brilliant...but he rarely does this and his happy to just use the straight right hand a lot. It's a great right hand though, he doesn't telegraph it and it's so quick. I'd just like to see him use more combinations because he has all the shots in his arsenal.
This is the only thing about Mayweather's offense that bothers me. Even my lady complains about it. When he let his hands go Maidana was stuck in quick sand.
Mayweather is not one dimensional in his offense.
His connecting was around 50% against Maidana, wasn't it?.
Canelo , who has a much better defense that el Chino, got tagged constantly.
What is happining imo that Mayweather is less active and has to keep the fight at a (even) lower pace to look good.
Canelo is not a guy who likes to work hard, thus Floyd looked great.
Maidana is much worse than Canelo, but threw 800 punches against Floyd 400 and made it look closer than it was.
El Chino is a tough guy, big heart, but is not as good as people are making him. Garcia might have polished him a bit, but I'm pretty sure Maidana vs Alexander would still end the same way.
I think the TS had made some great points, I don't agree with all of what he is saying and I certainly don't believe that Mayweather's offense is "one dimensional" but it is most definitely limited.
I've said this countless times over the years and it's one of the reasons why I would never rank him above Pacquiao or Hopkins, both these names are close to being complete fighters, not quite on the level of Leonard, Ali, Pep or Robinson but Mayweather is far from what I call a complete or all round fighter.
His defense is very very good but when ever he has gone up against some who has thrown everything but the kitchen sink his way, Mayweather has looked less than stellar, in fact against Maidana and Castillo, he looked far less than an elite fighter (not saying he is). WHy? it's because, against guys who punch, punch, punch and don't let up, there is little Mayweather can do when his defense starts getting penetrated. His straight right hand and check left hook is all he has had.
Some one said that Mayweather from 7-8 years ago was better offensively, the answer is, he wasn't because it's the same thing he did then.
What he's trying to say is offensively he doesn't have much of a arsenal. Ur blinded by his speed. He throws no combinations unless u go into a shell. He has a lead straight right that he throws to try to catch u off guard. He has one little uppercut-straight right that he will throw against the ropes. (he only throws that after throw a 1-2 at him. Its part of his little pad routine he does with Roger. And finally he uses the step an fetch punch which is the quick right hand counter over the jab that he can only do against slow fighters. U seen it alot with gatti and with maidana
Floyd also has a great jab. He used it against De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, and Canelo.
One dimensional?
He has offense on the ropes.
He has offensive in the middle of the ring.
He has offense on the outside.
He has offense on the inside.
He can throw EVERY punch in the book with speed and accuracy.
Yet hes one dimensional do you clowns actually watch the fighterss you dummies post about?
What he's trying to say is offensively he doesn't have much of a arsenal. Ur blinded by his speed. He throws no combinations unless u go into a shell. He has a lead straight right that he throws to try to catch u off guard. He has one little uppercut-straight right that he will throw against the ropes. (he only throws that after throw a 1-2 at him. Its part of his little pad routine he does with Roger. And finally he uses the step an fetch punch which is the quick right hand counter over the jab that he can only do against slow fighters. U seen it alot with gatti and with maidana
Who's talking about brawling..?
Was Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Junior, even Mike Tyson & Evander Holyfield....brawlers..? No!
They just weren't one dimensional offensively like Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd Mayweather is not the first fighter in history to avoid a punch all those guys up above at great defense at the top of their game, aswell as a vast offense! Mayweather's offense does not match up to his defense!
what are you talking about? im talking about the people who say this... not wat the thread starter said i was replying to something else but how is floyd one demisional tho, he can fight on the inside, outside, he can dig deep if he has to, he can counter punch, fight off the ropes... what is making u say hes one deminsional?
like teddy atlas said tho sometimes he relies too much on his defense. he was more offensive at 130-135 too...
I agree...
I am not sure why people can't be real with themselves, Mayweather is not a great offensive fighter and i think his offensive has decreased in effectiveness in his last few fights....
"I think he is one dimensional, does nothing outside of single shots, if you want to talk about power..? i think that is limited aswell. For a fighter that is so intelligent, you would think he would understand to put his punches together to stop guys like Maidana in there tracks! But the fact of the matter is he did not do this, because in my opinion he does not have the ability to do so"....
"Amir Khan is not a big puncher, and he put his punches together both head and to body creatively, and he hurt Maidana more times than Mayweather did, and he dropped him! Mayweather never once hurt him or stopped him in his tracks"....
Well his accuracy has to get him some type of props. The man outlanded a guy that through 800+ punches while throwing half as many. He fights off the ropes, center of the ring, or coming forward. That's not the definition of one dimensional.
i just dont understand why people who claim to be boxing fans trash any style they dont like, i dont like brawling but i respect it, i understand their are different styles to boxing and not everybody fights the same i appreciate all styles, one guy even went as far as saying when floyd ducks a punch its a biyyyatch move.... its just a stupid logic when a fighter is a biyyyatch for moving when the glove is coming his way or running when hes using the ring and a strategy to throw his opponent off
Who's talking about brawling..?
Was Sugar Ray Leonard, Roy Jones Junior, even Mike Tyson & Evander Holyfield....brawlers..? No!
They just weren't one dimensional offensively like Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd Mayweather is not the first fighter in history to avoid a punch all those guys up above at great defense at the top of their game, aswell as a vast offense! Mayweather's offense does not match up to his defense!
When Floyd let his hands go Maidana looked like a lost puppy.
When Floyd used his legs Maidana looked like a lost puppy.
Trust me when I say these people DO NOT WANT A REMATCH.
His straight right is one of the best punches in all of boxing. Why not use it? Thats like complaining about Wlad or Cotto jabbing. Or Mannys str8 left.
Yeah the one to two times he did it in the entire fight? Floyd looked like a lost and confused scared little girl for about 9 rounds of the 12
Mayweather is an extremely cautious, defensive, counter-punch oriented fighter. He only goes on the offensive when his opponents get gun-shy, due to his counter-punches. However, he limits his attacks to avoid being countered himself. El Chino had the right approach in attacking often, while staying in Floyd's face. If he could sustain that style for the entire fight, he'd win. It takes tremendous conditioning to constantly cut off the ring and attack, though.